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Confessions of a bone head mistake and a question!
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I built a .308 Remington SPS Tactical, tricked it out, aftermarket this and that.....and its a stone cold shooter, deadly accurate! However, while at the gun range with my BIL, he was shooting his .260, I accidentally grabbed his box of ammo! While inhale several excuses as to why it took my about 6rounds to figure out I was NOT shooting .308 bullets, none are good....so I am expecting to get piled on for the mistake, I'll accept that. Once I finally did realize the mistake, I didn't shoot again, took it to the local gunsmith, he scoped the barrel and said it was destroyed and wanted obviously to rebarrel it. I haven't shot it since and am trying to figure out what to do from here. I am a little skeptical of the report. I could replace with another factory Remington barrel for 240.00 (plus the Remington authorized repair shops labor cost).....I am still so mad at myself for allegedly destroying a perfectly good, and deadly accurate, rifle, the thought of spending any money in it just reminds me of the stupidity that could have been avoided that day! Thoughts?
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Re: Confessions of a bone head mistake and a question!
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11/10/14 05:38 PM
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Does a .264" bullet bounce its way down the barrel of a .308 bore?
Do you trust your smith? If mine told me the barrel was scrap metal I would belive him.
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Re: Confessions of a bone head mistake and a question!
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11/10/14 05:48 PM
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Re: Confessions of a bone head mistake and a question!
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I'd clean it REALLY good and shoot it.
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Re: Confessions of a bone head mistake and a question!
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Does a .264" bullet bounce its way down the barrel of a .308 bore?
Do you trust your smith? If mine told me the barrel was scrap metal I would belive him. This....
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Re: Confessions of a bone head mistake and a question!
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11/10/14 06:04 PM
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Re: Confessions of a bone head mistake and a question!
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That sucks. Glad nothing worse happened.
We have people at the range occasionally shoot 380 in 9, or 9 in 40. Had someone try to shoot 9mm in a 357 mag a month or two ago. Have not seen anyone do the 260 in a 308 yet.
If I chose to pull the trigger without replacing the barrel, I'd be a good bit nervous on the first trigger pull. I'd take my Gunsmith's word for it, but I'm confident in his knowledge. Your smith experience might be different.
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Re: Confessions of a bone head mistake and a question!
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Re: Confessions of a bone head mistake and a question!
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That sucks. Glad nothing worse happened.
We have people at the range occasionally shoot 380 in 9, or 9 in 40. Had someone try to shoot 9mm in a 357 mag a month or two ago. Have not seen anyone do the 260 in a 308 yet.
If I chose to pull the trigger without replacing the barrel, I'd be a good bit nervous on the first trigger pull. I'd take my Gunsmith's word for it, but I'm confident in his knowledge. Your smith experience might be different. I've seen folks do this on purpose on youtube videos. Does this ruin the pistol/barrel?
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Re: Confessions of a bone head mistake and a question!
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Does a .264" bullet bounce its way down the barrel of a .308 bore?
Do you trust your smith? If mine told me the barrel was scrap metal I would belive him. For sure it does.... But for a couple of reasons, yes, I do have some doubts/concerns about the opinion I got. To the guy that said he would be nervous to pull the trigger, I am curious what he is suggestion the harm could be...besides loss of accuracy?
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Re: Confessions of a bone head mistake and a question!
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Fractures in the steel? Fracture leads to catastrophic failure of the barrel? A round tube is steel is awfully strong and I wouldn't bet much that there could be a failure.
I'm only speculating here.
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Re: Confessions of a bone head mistake and a question!
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Fractures in the steel? Fracture leads to catastrophic failure of the barrel? A round tube is steel is awfully strong and I wouldn't bet much that there could be a failure.
I'm only speculating here. That's basically what I was speculating as well. And it was just speculation I admit, but I'd be nervous. I know steel is strong, but heck, who knows, you just bounced 6 bullets off the sides all along the barrel. I guess the question is, just how much, and what kind of, damage is there? Can you see damage if you look down the bore?
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Re: Confessions of a bone head mistake and a question!
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That sucks. Glad nothing worse happened.
We have people at the range occasionally shoot 380 in 9, or 9 in 40. Had someone try to shoot 9mm in a 357 mag a month or two ago. Have not seen anyone do the 260 in a 308 yet.
If I chose to pull the trigger without replacing the barrel, I'd be a good bit nervous on the first trigger pull. I'd take my Gunsmith's word for it, but I'm confident in his knowledge. Your smith experience might be different. I've seen folks do this on purpose on youtube videos. Does this ruin the pistol/barrel? I don't know if it ruins them. None I have seen have developed any bulges or anything like that. But it certainly can't be good for them.
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Re: Confessions of a bone head mistake and a question!
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11/10/14 06:46 PM
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I can't offer anymore than what was said above. I'm definitely with FiremanJG...if my smith said to rebarrel I don't ask questions, I get my checkbook out. A good cut 308 barrel should be easy to find for $350 and a smith should be able to chamber for around that price.
Sorry man, that sux!
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Re: Confessions of a bone head mistake and a question!
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Yes, that's a bad mistake to make. Please pay more attention!!!
But, I've had customers do this already. They didn't put 6 rounds down range, but 1 or 2. The 260 is a .264" bullet, so it's .044" smaller than a .308", so it will bounce around in the barrel some. But, most of your powder gases will blow past the bullet reducing the pressures, while pushing the bullet out the barrel. The damage would be from the bullet hitting the rifling, not an over pressure issue.
Like stated, I would clean it heavily with a pointed jag with a cotton patch soaked in your preferred cleaning solution. As you run the tight patch through the barrel, I'd feel for any resistance or bumps in the rifling. I'd still shoot it to see if it shoots still. I'm betting it would be fine.
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Re: Confessions of a bone head mistake and a question!
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Re: Confessions of a bone head mistake and a question!
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I'd shoot it but I've got the luck of a dead frog so don't listen to me. Lol
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Re: Confessions of a bone head mistake and a question!
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Re: Confessions of a bone head mistake and a question!
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Re: Confessions of a bone head mistake and a question!
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If you take it to another gunsmith to look over don't tell him what you did, just ask him what condition the bore is in.
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Re: Confessions of a bone head mistake and a question!
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Here's another situation that may make you think twice:
Maybe the first .260 bullet made a gouge along the barrel, and the second one enlarged it and so on all the way to the sixth...now you shoot your .308 and it hits that gouge and maybe continues through or maybe gets jammed. Maybe you look at the target and don't see a bullet hit, and think the accuracy is off and shoot another, and bam...there goes your barrel, your neighbor at the range gets metal shrapnel in his body, and you become liable for any and all damages you inflict.
Is it worth it to try out? not to me. Spend the money and re-barrel, and take your licks while you can. Expensive mistake but we all make expensive mistakes at times and we learn and go from there...just make sure you learn form your mistake and don't cause more!
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Re: Confessions of a bone head mistake and a question!
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This is my Yes, that's a bad mistake to make. Please pay more attention!!!
But, I've had customers do this already. They didn't put 6 rounds down range, but 1 or 2. The 260 is a .264" bullet, so it's .044" smaller than a .308", so it will bounce around in the barrel some. But, most of your powder gases will blow past the bullet reducing the pressures, while pushing the bullet out the barrel. The damage would be from the bullet hitting the rifling, not an over pressure issue.
Like stated, I would clean it heavily with a pointed jag with a cotton patch soaked in your preferred cleaning solution. As you run the tight patch through the barrel, I'd feel for any resistance or bumps in the rifling. I'd still shoot it to see if it shoots still. I'm betting it would be fine. I would do this. ^ if it were mine.
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Re: Confessions of a bone head mistake and a question!
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Would it be possible that the pressure cause the bullet to expand and fill the bore instead of say bouncing down the barrel like a basketball?
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Tie gun to a tree, load it up, and get a looong string to pull the trigger with and have at it....to satisfy your curiosity...or find a 'smith with a Bore Scope....but then YOU ARE depending on Remington Proof Cert's and Quality of Workmanship so that's another ?? I might have concerns with.
If the barrels toast then it won't hurt it no more, just make sure you are out of the shrapnel zone.
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Re: Confessions of a bone head mistake and a question!
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This is my Yes, that's a bad mistake to make. Please pay more attention!!!
But, I've had customers do this already. They didn't put 6 rounds down range, but 1 or 2. The 260 is a .264" bullet, so it's .044" smaller than a .308", so it will bounce around in the barrel some. But, most of your powder gases will blow past the bullet reducing the pressures, while pushing the bullet out the barrel. The damage would be from the bullet hitting the rifling, not an over pressure issue.
Like stated, I would clean it heavily with a pointed jag with a cotton patch soaked in your preferred cleaning solution. As you run the tight patch through the barrel, I'd feel for any resistance or bumps in the rifling. I'd still shoot it to see if it shoots still. I'm betting it would be fine. I would do this. ^ if it were mine. This is what I'd do too. It's what I was thinking and Chad and Derrick confirmed it!
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