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30-30 help! #5394054 11/02/14 08:30 PM
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Hey guys, I'm looking at buying a Mossberg 646 SPX for $350. the dude says he put 100 rounds through it and he's the second owner. anyone have any experiences with this gun? what about using a 30-30 as a pig gun? i know a lot of guys like them for deer.

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I wouldn't pay that much for anything Mossberg.

I don't care for 3030 and I own one. I would much rather have something else. Yes it will kill a pig.

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Mossberg wouldn't be my cup of tea.
30-30? There may be better options but I'm yet to see the pig it won't put in the freezer

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whats wrong with mossberg?

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nothing, its kinda like the Ford in the auto world banana


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The 646 is a good gun, a 30-30 will work fine out to about 200 yards for pig or deer. With Hornady lever ammo a 30-30 is totally differnt caliber. There have been more deer killed with a 30-30 then any other caliber. As to the mossberg haters I'm curiorus if you guys have even ever owned one ? I have several and they all go bang. My cheap truck gun which is a ATR shoot 1.25 inch groups with factory ammo, not bad for a $260 rifle. Granted I prefer my beretta over my mossberg shotgun but they are still great value guns. Not saying it is the case here but most of the time people hating on a certain gun have never owned that gun.

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I've owned a Mossberg before and I won't do it again.


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They are cheap for a reason. The argument the 3030 has killed more deer than other is so redundant
I don't want any gun that can only shoot 200 yards with so so accuracy. If you have that money buy something that can do better and shoot better than 1.25" groups.

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Originally Posted By: colt45
nothing, its kinda like the Ford in the auto world banana


dad burn it man, did you have to throw that in there. see, that just ain't right clap

back to subject

is it a 646 or a 464

either way a 30-30 will make a fine pig gun


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Originally Posted By: Brother in-law
They are cheap for a reason. The argument the 3030 has killed more deer than other is so redundant
I don't want any gun that can only shoot 200 yards with so so accuracy. If you have that money buy something that can do better and shoot better than 1.25" groups.


I doubt that it still holds true that the 30-30 has killed more deer than any other caliber

The 30-30 is a decent round out to about 125 yards. Your stretching it past that

I own one and like the gun more than the caliber. I won't shoot at a deer with it past 100 yards


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Originally Posted By: Brother in-law
They are cheap for a reason. The argument the 3030 has killed more deer than other is so redundant
I don't want any gun that can only shoot 200 yards with so so accuracy. If you have that money buy something that can do better and shoot better than 1.25" groups.



Well ya you can get a more accurate rifle if you have the money your missing the point it's about value. Judging by his post I don't think he's wanting to spend $1200 for a custom 700 then another $2000 for a night force scope. I own firearms on both ends of the price scale and still think there are some good guns for a low cost.

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Originally Posted By: txtrophy85
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They are cheap for a reason. The argument the 3030 has killed more deer than other is so redundant
I don't want any gun that can only shoot 200 yards with so so accuracy. If you have that money buy something that can do better and shoot better than 1.25" groups.


I doubt that it still holds true that the 30-30 has killed more deer than any other caliber

The 30-30 is a decent round out to about 125 yards. Your stretching it past that

I own one and like the gun more than the caliber. I won't shoot at a deer with it past 100 yards



Have you tried hornadys leverloution ammo? It will give you some reassurance about stretching it out to 200 yards.

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I won't hesitate to shoot a deer with my 30-30 out to 300 yards as long as I have my leverevolution in 140 grains. I spent a ton of time at the range with my gun and this ammo and I'm a believer.

I shot an old 7 two years ago from 300 yards and it made it 10 yards. Perfect double lung shot with very little holdover.

As soon as I empty that last box it will be a 200 yard gun again for me. Can't believe my favorite round was discontinued.

Lever evolution puts the ballistics right between that of a 30-06 and a 30-30.

Sure they may be better guns out there, but NOTHING wrong with the 30-30.

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They are cheap for a reason. The argument the 3030 has killed more deer than other is so redundant
I don't want any gun that can only shoot 200 yards with so so accuracy. If you have that money buy something that can do better and shoot better than 1.25" groups.


I doubt that it still holds true that the 30-30 has killed more deer than any other caliber

The 30-30 is a decent round out to about 125 yards. Your stretching it past that

I own one and like the gun more than the caliber. I won't shoot at a deer with it past 100 yards



Have you tried hornadys leverloution ammo? It will give you some reassurance about stretching it out to 200 yards.


I have not because I've had trouble finding them

I stick to the tried and true remmy 170 grain ice cream cones


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Originally Posted By: sprigsss
I won't hesitate to shoot a deer with my 30-30 out to 300 yards as long as I have my leverevolution in 140 grains. I spent a ton of time at the range with my gun and this ammo and I'm a believer.

I shot an old 7 two years ago from 300 yards and it made it 10 yards. Perfect double lung shot with very little holdover.

As soon as I empty that last box it will be a 200 yard gun again for me. Can't believe my favorite round was discontinued.

Lever evolution puts the ballistics right between that of a 30-06 and a 30-30.

Sure they may be better guns out there, but NOTHING wrong with the 30-30.





Was is it being discontinued?

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Originally Posted By: colt45
nothing, its kinda like the Ford in the auto world banana


More like Kia

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My 30-30 is my favorite/go to gun. I'd rather loose any one or all of my other guns than to loose my Winchester 94. Maybe it's sentimental value, but it's my favorite.

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The hornad is being upgraded with a new powder and better bullet design along with new badging not fully discontinued.

yes I currently own 3 Mossberg shotguns. I discovered the benelli nova and ruger American and haven't touched the Mossberg's since.

I use 140 grain hornady sst handloaded a little hot and match a light loaded 308s performance almost exactly.

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I also need to learn to type. ! Lol

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Was is it being discontinued?


According to the Hornady Website the 140 grain has been discontinued for the 30-30 ammo. They still make the 160 grain and I have no problems finding it.

The 140 grain was my favorite round. The 160 grain has good ballistics, but I can only get 3 rounds on paper, then have no idea where the rounds will hit.

First shot is always exactly dead on. It works for deer hunting, just more difficult to spend time at the range waiting 10 minutes between shots.

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Had a Mossberg 30-30 years ago, first deer rifle. In 4 years I replaced 2 extractors and one firing pin. Last time I took it hunting at the shot snap on a nice Mississippi 10 point. Put it up and started hunting with the single shot 20ga until I could get something else (Rem 788 in 7mm-08 which still serves me well).

The Mossberg was accurate enough 1 inch with my reloads but reliability was very bad.


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its the mossberg 464. sorry for the confusion. i guess I'm going to pass on it for now, but i definitely see a 30-30 in my future. and y'all are right, i as bad as i want a several thousand dollar set up, theres no way its going to happen any time soon. so for now, I just ave to stick with the cheaper budget rifles or a good ol 12g slug

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What is your budget rifle with optic?

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Go buy a marlin 336 for $450 put a leaupold 2x7 on it for $200
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Changing the subject here and I apologize but just out of curiosity I purchased a Thompson Venture this summer in 308. I got it for a little over 300 bucks off of gun broker and put a $100 Pentax on it. I have been truly amazed at how well it shoots. Not part of the 30-30 discussion I know but in the price range you may be looking at.

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