Looking at the .300 RUM. How is it recoil wise compared to the win mag?

Noticeably more.

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I have owned both and still shoot a 300WM. The recoil of the 300RUM is certainly more noticeable.

Is the performance that much greater in the RUM or just the recoil? I've also considered one of the short mags as there are several to choose from.

It would probably help if you could define your performance objective. For shooting game at a reasonable distance (i.e. less than 500 yards), they won't be able to tell the difference between the two; either will kill them just as dead.

That said, if you plan on shooting paper/steel at long ranges, it does have some ballistic advantages over the 300WM; if those performance benefits are worth the recoil is a different story.

Keep in mind, a 300RUM is going to beat the snot out of you in most platforms (without a muzzle brake). I've owned a 300 RUM in a 700 Sendero package, and with full power loads that rifle was extremely unpleasant to shoot. I'm confident with a break it would have been much nicer, but then you're dealing with some serious blast. There's no way I'd consider owning one in a sporter/hunting config without a break.

I sold my 300 RUM, and just take a 30-06 if I've got to shoot something big. If I'm punching paper/steel, the 30 cal's stay at home anyway; there are so many other cartridges that will put rounds down range accurately without all the recoil/blast.

All of the above considered, if you're asking this kind of question it tells me you're not a target shooter. If I were looking for a good "Texas Hunting Rifle" I'd probably look for something a bit less stout.

300WM (WSM) will reach out there.
300RUM will reach "way" out there - but you're gonna know it!

Sorry I shouldn't prefaced my question in the first post. I'll be hunting elk this fall and have been told the long shot is an ever present possibility. I would never consider a round of this nature for use in Texas. My model 700 .257 Roberts has put down so many deer here in at home it's not going to be replaced.

I'm not a fan of muzzle breaks but will have one on whatever I make my mind up on with this big .30 cal.


If I were to be looking at punching paper I'd keep it in the 6-6.5 mm range of cartridges.

The 300RUM does make for a great elk cartridge if you can handle it. But like an outfitter friend of mine says he would much rather have a hunter show up with a 270 or 30-06 they are familiar with than a magnum they do not shoot well or are afraid of.

For elk, I would look at 300 wsm in a Kimber Montana type rifle. You can get a lighter more compact and packable rifle, with same ballistics at huntig ranges as 300 win and the least recoil of the fast .30s.

Consider this: Get the 300 RUM and try it with a box each of PL II (.300 WM equivalent) and PL III (300 RUM). See what works better for you. That said, I understand PL III is somewhat underloaded from true potential.

It's not necessary.

Elk rifle?

1:8.5" 7 Rem Mag and 180 gr missles. At least that's what I'm gonna use and not detach my retinas doing it.

With proper shot placement, 300 Win Mag is all you need. I look at the over all package (i.e.- ammo, rifles, recoil, overall shooting enjoyment). 1- In general, RUM factory ammo is not very good. 2- Plus, it's also a lot more expensive. 3- Your rifle choices are a lot less in the RUM. Everyone makes a 300WM. 4- factory ammo in a 300WM is generally pretty good, with ample bullet selection. 5- less recoil in a 300WM, which by itself, can have a lot of recoil. 6- Less cost ammo and less recoil means you will shoot it more, therefore practice more.

If you told me I could only pick one caliber for the rest of my rifle shooting, it would be a 300 Win Mag. I have hit targets with bullets from 190 SMK, 208 A-max, and Hornady 225 BTHP. I have broken metal targets with a 225 bthp at long range. It hits VERY hard. If you can not get the job done with a Win Mag, then a RUM will not help you any more.

Do you handload, or will you be using factory ammo? One problem with the ultra mags and similar is that there are many fewer factory ammo choices. If there's only 3 ammo choices and your rifle hates them, what do you do? If you reload, then it's another situation entirely, as you can play with components to infinity. I own a 7 Ultra and a .338 Lapua, and I'd never consider factory ammo with either unless I was absolutely desperate. I've also got a .300 WM, and would feel comfortable walking into any Wal-Mart, buying ammo, sighting in the rifle, and then going hunting. The .300 WM is much more convenient; but if you like to fiddle with your shooting gear, then get the .300 Ultra.

I also much prefer Mag-na-porting to muzzle brakes. It's not perfect, but it's pretty darn good.

Don't discount the 6.5 for elk. Remember the 6.5x55 swede has been taking moose size game in Europe for a long time. But I agree that a 300 wsm if you prefer a SA or a 300 WM if you prefer a LA should be a staple piece in a collection. Either one can drop 90%+ of North American game. IMO the rum is over kill for elk. Many guys in colorado use 7mag, 270, 300 WM/WSM, and even the 25-06

I have shot 300 wby and 300 rum. The Rum out performs the wby, but I didn't notice much if any recoil difference.

I have never shot a 300 WM. Personally I think 300 wm is your answer, it been around its proven its cheaper to shoot with better selection of ammo and gun and reportedly has less recoil and you can dam sure kill elk with it and less.

matt

The biggest advantage of the RUM over the WIN is it takes a little bit of guess work out of long range shooting due to the fact it shoots flater. Of course it hits harder too but the animal aint going to know that........but your shoulder sure will.

I too elk hunt, and I've used the 300RUM (Rem. Sendero)and 300WinMag (Win. Mod 70) to kill elk. I've also used .264WinMag and .270Wby Mag to kill elk. All will poke out there to the limits of most shooter's capabilities. My advise is to get a LIGHT rifle that is easly carried and won't kill your shoulder while at the range. Also, avoid the muzzle brakes while hunting, you won't have time to put on ear protection, and if you have ever shot a rifle with a muzzle brake, you know it can be deafoning. Again, I've hunted CO for most of my 43 years. The lighter the rifle, the more enjoyable your hunt.

If your going to be a bear be kodiak grizzly.......30-378 wby

I have that exact rifle. Was pleasantly surprised at its manageable recoil. Look forward to using it.

Well then....suprise suprise......
You are not a Kodiak Grizzly, you are a fancy blk bear that dances for food .:)

LOL!! Well I had a Sako TRG 30-378Wby for awhile but since I didnt handload the ammo cost was more than I could stand. The RUM factory ammo is half the price of the 30-378Wby ammo.

Honey grizzly dont care about ammo costs.....

Lol thought you would get a chuckle... I think I hate work Tuesday s worse then mondays