I think I could be on board for universal background checks to purchase a firearm. This doesn't seem threatening to me if it's just to determine you criminal history/legal status and happens in a timely manner (i.e instant to 1-2 days)...but maybe I'm missing something.

The issues I have is- Why do they need to know the make, model and serial number of the firearm being purchased to do a background check? I think if this requirement was removed, I would be less apprehensive. Requiring the make, model, and serial number smacks of not only universal background checks but also universal registration...especially if you cannot trade or sell the gun in a private sale.

I see the universal background check, as the current check stands, as a backdoor means to a universal gun registry. As long as the ATF collects make, model, SN of all guns I own...They have everything they need to find me in the event of a gun confiscation scenario.

What say you?

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I don't even own any "assault weapons" anymore. I've traded them all for single shot .22's, 6 shot revolver, and a remington 870.

Background checks are already in place. FFL log's the make, model and s/n#

If one does not have their CHL, and the dealer calls NICS they only tell them whether it's a long-gun or a handgun.

The background check does not show the serial number or anything of that nature. All it lists is long gun, hand gun or other. The 4473 is for the FFL to keep in case the gun comes up in a crime, homocide, etc...

The above two posts.

I get that. Are these records accessible by the ATF? That's my issue. They SAY the 4473's are only kept for reference in the event of a crime. What's to stop the ATF from collecting the forms from FFL's. Instant universal registration.

There are plenty of reports from dealers right here on this forum saying that ATF is scanning those 4473's into thier computers when they visit.

Interesting... I haven't heard of that and I know that there have been two audits since I started working.

I wouldn't mind expanded background checks, handled by the state. But the federal government screws up everything they touch.. I would never be on board for any kind of registration.

The worst part about the Universal background checks is that these forums classifieds type gun sales will no longer be simple and easy they will require much more red tape, if they are allowed at all. That sucks!

I will let you know tomorrow they are paying me a visit first thing in the morning

I am just repeating what I have seen posted. I havent seen it myself either.

well i just finished up with the ATF and they did not scan or take any information from the 4473 with them it was a very pleasant experience

Ellis Wyatt sends:

In light of the NY “assault weapon” ban, and whereas it is universally acknowledged that the pen is mightier than the sword, I have some reasonable, common-sense restrictions to place on the First Amendment. These measures will keep Americans and their children safe from disinformation, misinformation, and hate speech:

1. All photocopiers and printers shall be registered with the Federal government. Any sale or transfer of a photocopier or printer will require fingerprinting, photographing, permission from the chief law enforcement officer of the city/county, a $200 fee, and a permission slip from the Federal government. Possessing an unregistered photocopier or printer shall result in up to 10 years in Federal PMITA Prison.

2. Photocopier and printer paper trays shall only hold 7 sheets of paper. Possessing a paper tray of over 7 sheets of paper shall result in up to 10 years in Federal PMITA Prison.

3. All pens and pencils shall be registered with the Federal government. Possession of an unregistered pen or pencil shall result in up to 10 years in Federal PMITA Prison

4. ALL purchasers of pens and pencils shall be subject to a background check (this will close the infamous “OfficeMax Loophole”). Willful evasion of this shall result in up to 5 years in Federal PMITA Prison.

5. All sales of printer/copier/looseleaf/construction paper over 1000 sheets will be reported to the Federal government.

6. Anyone who wants to post on facebook or any other Internet discussion forum must apply for a license that puts their real name and address, username, and password into a registry with the Federal Government, and re-apply for that license every 5 years. Failure to do so or providing false information shall result in up to 10 years in Federal PMITA prison.

Now, you may say this sounds extreme. But when you look at the costs to society of libel and slander, and the children whose lives have been lost to cyberbullying, those who oppose these common-sense reasonable restrictions must examine their consciences. Besides, these rules still preserve Americans’ rights to “free speech” meaning verbal speech, as the Founding Fathers did not intend for civilians to own such Weapons of Mass Deception that copiers and printers can become in the wrong hands. And of course, in the interests of preserving the “freedom of the press,” (which does not include bloggers, as the Founding Fathers had no concept of the Internet), accredited journalists and members of the national media shall be exempted from these laws. http://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/

In case you didn't know - all photocopiers above a certain quality are licensed and register with the government.

The same is true for certain kinds of paper.

It's a treasury department thing - and yes, they even come out to your business and audit your copier.

These are for the high-end photocopiers that are possible of reproducing money.

At least, this is the way it was a few years ago. I got myself into real hot water when I secretly ran off some copies of stuff on the high end printer because the low-end one was down.

Literally had treasury agents pay me a visit.

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I suggest you get creative, as they will know what they're facing