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 About this long shot thing!
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08/22/07 05:38 PM
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OK gang! There a real important story being told in this picture. Anybody want to try and figure it out? 
Yes! A Weatherby does kill them deader.
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08/22/07 05:48 PM
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??He was really aiming at the bulls eye??  
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08/22/07 05:49 PM
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that rifle is sighted in for 1500 yds??
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08/22/07 05:49 PM
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Don't mess with his wife?
Whoever that is, you can see it in his eyes that he fully expected to be able to shoot that group. No fluke there.
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Practice makes permanent.
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08/22/07 05:51 PM
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That is a very nice group, especially at that range. Shows that you can hit target at 1000 yards if you know your rifle, ballistics, and have the proper loads and "know how".
However, those shots, if holding behind the front shoulder, would have clipped a whitetails back or missed him. Would maybe mortally wound or paralyze. Of course, if someone can shoot a group like that at that distance, he probably would drop whatever he was aiming at---dead in it's tracks.
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08/22/07 05:54 PM
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This is a wild guess. If he had wanted to, he could have adjusted his scope for the red diamond. The point is not the relationship of the holes to the diamond. The point is the relationship of one hole to another.
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08/22/07 06:10 PM
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The point is not the relationship of the holes to the diamond.
That's the whole point! Had he been shooting at a deers vitals, it would have been a very bad shot. The deer is not going to give you the needed time to correct.
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The point is the relationship of one hole to another.
In bench-rest or just cutting paper, i will agree with you completely. But as your aware, in hunting, it's the first shot thats the most important. And he obviously missed.
Yes! A Weatherby does kill them deader.
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08/22/07 06:11 PM
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08/22/07 06:13 PM
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0.267 MOA. grouping at 1000 yards. Fantastic shooting and hard to to believe it is possible. Got the story on the guy and the gun? Just guessing- the bore would proabaly be 6.0 mm or 6.5mm Thanks for the picture. James 
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08/22/07 06:29 PM
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Now really, if he was going to shoot at an animal don't you think he has the intelligence and or skill to turn the little knobs on his scope and dial it in to the diamond? Do you honestly think that if he were hunting that he would leave it set like that? Anybody that can shoot like that can most likely move the crosshairs if he so desires.
As to your second point, he is bench rest shooting at a target. He's not hunting. He didn't miss. He set a World Record.
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08/22/07 07:06 PM
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they don't shoot for a object at those competitions, they shoot for small groups. a 1' group in the bull is goin to lose to a 1/2'' group a foot off.
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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08/22/07 07:27 PM
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I'm well aware of that, shot Bench-rest for many years. There's a big difference between aiming at a specific point to control your groups, where ever they land on the target, and aiming at specific point and hitting it. Wind doping is an art, when it comes to shooting tight groups, but it can be your worst enemy when it comes down to 1 shot in a hunting situation at extra long range. One of my best groups was fired from a rifle, that was set at 1 inch high at 200 yards. The center of that group was 1 inch high and an 1 1/2 to the right of the x, due to the wind.
I'd love to ask the gentleman who shot that 1000 yard record, if he would take the same shot in a hunting situation and guarantee a 1 shot hit in the vitals.
Yes! A Weatherby does kill them deader.
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08/22/07 08:48 PM
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Looks to me like it's easy to talk about what one can and cannot do but this man showed what he can do and I for one am duly impressed.I would be willing to bet he hits what he's shooting at when hunting also.I wish I could say that I've never made a bad shot but since I don't lie about it I can't.I can just hope I never make another.
Keep your powder dry,the wind in your face and watch your backtrail.
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08/22/07 09:04 PM
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Now really, if he was going to shoot at an animal don't you think he has the intelligence and or skill to turn the little knobs on his scope and dial it in to the diamond? Do you honestly think that if he were hunting that he would leave it set like that? Anybody that can shoot like that can most likely move the crosshairs if he so desires.
Do you seriously believe that someone shoots a targets with the intent of missing the bullseye?
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08/22/07 09:44 PM
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quote] Do you seriously believe that someone shoots a targets with the intent of missing the bullseye?
Most people dont shot to hit the bullseye when sighting in and working loads developement. Its all about grouping. Then doping shot for your needs. 
Do you sight in to hit the bulleye at a 100yds?
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08/23/07 01:53 PM
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Most people dont shot to hit the bullseye when sighting in and working loads developement. Its all about grouping. Then doping shot for your needs.
You think they aim for a random spot out on the fringes of the target? Yes, I know that grouping is the goal. But even then shooters begin by aiming at the center of the target.
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Do you sight in to hit the bulleye at a 100yds?
I aim at the bullseye for my first shot, then adjust the scope if its off. Tight groups that don't go where you're aiming are pretty worthless.
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08/23/07 02:07 PM
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08/23/07 05:12 PM
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LOOKS TO ME LIKE THE LESSON HERE IS THAT IF A WORLD RECORD BENCH REST SHOOTER (PROBABLY WITH AN $5000. OR BETTER RIG) CAN'T HIT A DEER IN THE VITALS AT 1000 YARDS THERE'S NO WAY (OTHER THAN PURE LUCK)THAT I COULD DO IT AT 500 YDS, PROBABLY COULDN'T AT 300 YDS AND DAMN SURE COULDN'T DO ANY OF THE ABOVE WITHOUT A REST!
NOW I BETTER STOP HERE BEFORE I HURT SOMEONES FEELING, BY SAYING YOU COULDN'T DO IT EITHER!
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08/23/07 05:32 PM
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BEFORE I HURT SOMEONES FEELING, BY SAYING YOU COULDN'T DO IT EITHER!
Not hurting my feelings. Not only can i not do it, I'd never attempt it if i could.
Yes! A Weatherby does kill them deader.
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08/23/07 05:41 PM
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Cant imagine hitting anything at that range! Best i have ever done is a 2in group at 300yds with my 6.5 and that aint nothin compared to that guy but i can always sneek a little closer to the target. THOSE TARGETS ARE PRETTY DUMB!!!
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08/23/07 05:56 PM
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Help me out here James your better at this than me.
180 grain bullet ( don't know the BC on a Berger 180 )
2900 fps
Whats the remaining ftps and ftlbs?
I'm figuring somewhere around 1200 to 1400 FTPS and 600 to 750 Ftlbs
Yes! A Weatherby does kill them deader.
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08/23/07 05:57 PM
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That is an amazing group. I hunted an oatfield stand where the far fenceline was 830 yards away according to the rangefinder. On my rifle I have a 6x24 Swarovsaki scope. I wanted to see what kind of view I would have on deer that were by that fenceline out of curiosity. At full power it is not enough for me. I wasn't planning on shooting at that distance but wanted to see the difference between the scope and 8 power binocs. It was hard to even stay on the body of the deer at that distance, much less if you were shooting at a purple dot on paper.
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08/23/07 06:16 PM
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You think they aim for a random spot out on the fringes of the target? Yes, I know that grouping is the goal. But even then shooters begin by aiming at the center of the target.
Read the post again. You did not get the meaning! Your POA should always be the bullseye. Your POI depends on many factors.
The object is to determine the center of the grouping at these known conditions. Then Know your external ballistic and Maximum Point Blank Range. Then be able to adjust to different conditions and be able to place the center the group (or shot) where you need it at these new conditions. (Doping a shot)
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Tight groups that don't go where you're aiming are pretty worthless.
If your POI is the bulleyes at 100 yards how do you figure your POA for vitals at say 350 yards. It takes a lot of guessing hold over / under when you zero at 100 yards.
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