I'm just outside of San Antonio. I paid $600 for the weathershield Icon last year. I don't know anything about the TC pro series other than I don't own or care to own a single shot. The Icons were hardly ever shown on any hunting shows that I saw. And if they were they didn't even mention what they were. If you shoot one you'll have a different opinion of it. That I can guarantee.

As for your reco, as long as he can find a remington that will shoot he should be in good shape. I had a Rocky Mountain Elk foundation 300 Ultra mag a couple years ago. It came with the mushy rubbery stock and honestly wouldn't shoot less than 2". Now for a rifle that's supposed to be a long range rifle that's BS. I put a old BDL wood stock on it that I had here and got it under 2". Still nothing to crow about. Finally took it to a gunsmith to check the crown, etc., and he reported that the last 6 inches of the barrel were so poorly cut that the chattermarks were so bad that he felt the rifle would never shoot any better. There is no excuse for that kind of rifle ever leaving Remington! It was a stainless 700 btw.

Along with a friend of mine we bought a lightly used 700 Varmint for a buddy of mine last year as a Christmas present. His home was destroyed in a fire a few years ago and he mentioned that his 223 had burned up. I found one that was very clean, new looking, etc. Bought it and had it shipped in. Took the action out of the stock to give it a good cleaning and where it was rubbing under the barrel it was rusting already. I cleaned it up and greased it so it was somewhat protected since he planned on carrying it in his ranch truck year round. When I can swing it I'll send it in to have it QPQ'd also.

I had a Remington model 7 stainless a couple years back in 243. It was a no shooting sucker if there ever was one. Yeah it'd do 1.5" or better but that's not good enough in my book.

I see some folks have good luck with them and others not. Thus I'd probably opt for a stainless Savage if I were to go on the cheap... Haven't any indpendent knowlege of any of those not shooting. They're fugly but they are a good tool...

Yep and everything on Internet and stories on this forum are fact including all the world class shooters we have with outta box icons and savages.

Couldn't agree more. Cerberus is the problem. When they get tired of milking the company and it goes back to GUN people owning it then they'll come back. Don't have to look too far back when S&W was owned by some idiots too. They damn near died before being revived.

BTW glad you mentioned the 5R barrels. The Icons come with a 5R barrel.

Ha, Chopped54 you need to quit watching TV and listening to tall tales.

When thinking of Cerberus another couple of companies comes to mind. GMAC and Chrysler. We know the end results to those companies involvement with Cerberus...

Thats always the story when an accidental discharge happens. No body wants to admit they pulled the trigger. Only other explaination for that would be that he/she jacked with the trigger and screwed it up.

Bet I could open and close the bolt on that gun 100K times and wouldnt happen again without pulling the trigger........UNLESS he jacked with it at some point.

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Ok I've listed my experiences with Remington and based my opinion on them. What personal experience do you have with the Icons?

I have limited experience with Savages but have never seen one that didn't shoot. So while I might think they are about as ugly as a gun can get I won't knock their ability to put game on the ground.

I fully believe if you ever shoot an Icon you'll come away with a way different opinion.

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Don't watch TV, and that is not even a reason I dislike Remington so it is moot....

We'll never know cause I have ZERO interest in owning or shooting one, just hard headed I reckon

Do tell what is real reason you don't like Remington? This should be good

It is not hard headed. It is brand loyalty, which in most cases is not bad. Your 700s are not a factory action. Are you going to keep your daughter's 7-08 factory? Were you happy with the results?

I had a 700sps in .308. When I first got it I tore it down to clean it and like mentioned above, there was rust from the factory, the bolts from the stock to the action were cross threaded, and chitty fit and finish on the barrel to action matching. At this point I was leary about the gun and tried to return it. Of course they said the only option I had was to return it to Remington. I returned it to them and still to this day do not believe they returned the same gun. It looked better, so I was satisfied. I took it to the range and fought with that thing to get it to group. Left thinking something was jacked up. Changed scopes and rings and double checked the bases. Went back out to the range and still could not get it to group worth a damn. It was on enough, but not what I felt it should be. Hunted with it twice and sold it. I then bought the 5r and was actually happy with the fit/finsh of the gun, but never shot it so could not tell you how it was. Sold it to someone on here so he may be able to chime in.....

And honestly, out of the box guns, my cheap Howa 1500 in 22-250 has been the most accurate

The action and barrel are factory, it is bedded, trigger worked and sitting in Ti stock. Shot great quick trip to range with three oal's 120 tsx the longest oal shot .5 or so didn't have bag with me to measure exact no issues it will be great until she is ready for her Kampfeld 280 in year or two. Will spend more time at range with it and working loads on 220 swift, but it is definitely a shooter for outta box action and barrel.

Is your 220 a 700? That is a bad azz little round, and is pretty hard not to be accurate.

Based on 700 yes it is accurate but dropping to 50gr tsx and still playing with oal have spent no time shooting it, shot in w/53gr tsx @ 4000 ft per second but want to sit down and see just how good it is prolly better than me it has trued action #6 lilja bedded in HS stock it was a 22/250

Sounds like a killer rig...

I know it is on hogs

Saw the mention of the TI stock. I have a brand new TI (old model - not Alaskan), long action, sitting in the closet looking for a home if anybody needs one. They are nice enough. I've got a unfinished McMillian Edge also and honestly can't see enough difference to make a hoot. The Micky is way over priced for what you get.

Have to laugh, thinking about the poor fellow who started this thread just asking for recommendations of a decent rifle under a grand!

Ooops. I gave him a legit rec for under a grand though

Is that Ti adl or bdl and barrel channel contour might need it

He got some good info and some good bs

It's a Ti ADL and it is whatever barrel channel they came with. I call it a mountain channel, pretty narrow. Take $190 with shipping and it's NIB.

If I didn't have so much in that one I have I'd buy another action and do it over but I'm not that crazy about spending even more money on a rifle that really doesn't get any use anymore. Leaning toward making it the truck gun since it's just about bulletproof now in it's old age but then again the way they steal stuff out of vehicles I don't care to lose it... It's got a Swarovski Rail mount 4-12 with the TDS reticle so it's a pretty sweet rig. But the Sauers and Blaser usually are the ones that get the nod when it's killing time for deer or maybe something bigger. The Icon is my coyote rifle.