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Rage, Explain to Me Please....
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10/13/10 10:48 AM
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Why Rage does not get the penatraion of a fixed blade?
Thanks, Jigfish
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Re: Rage, Explain to Me Please....
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10/13/10 11:39 AM
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Hard to explain...have seen some blow through a deer and some don't! Maybe some blades act different just like with different d/w's a broadhead reacts different...this could be a Ford/Chevy type subject.
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Re: Rage, Explain to Me Please....
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10/13/10 01:16 PM
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I知 not a mechanical fan by any means, but I知 not aware of any penetration issues with the Rages or any other mechanical broad head on the market.
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Re: Rage, Explain to Me Please....
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Shoot what you are confident in, right guys? This is just for me
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Re: Rage, Explain to Me Please....
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10/13/10 02:44 PM
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Rage requires KE to open and therefore doesn't blow through the critter with as much KE as a "cut on contact" head.
Rage's fly more accurately for longer distances (assuming they don't open in flight) but don't work as well as a fixed blade for pure killing. Thats my opinion. I personally prefer a well tuned fixed blade.
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Re: Rage, Explain to Me Please....
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I知 not a mechanical fan by any means, but I知 not aware of any penetration issues with the Rages or any other mechanical broad head on the market. I知 not a mechanical fan by any means, but I知 not aware of any penetration issues with the Rages or any other mechanical broad head on the market. That is the problem with them, lack of penetration.
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Re: Rage, Explain to Me Please....
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10/13/10 04:08 PM
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Your bow has to have high KE for any mechanical to be effective/do its job.
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Re: Rage, Explain to Me Please....
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10/13/10 04:21 PM
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It is or was, no more mech for me.
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Re: Rage, Explain to Me Please....
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KE comes from what? I'm shooting 100gr Rage 2 Blade. That is the same 100gr as any other broad head or am I wrong. I keep hearing about the penetration issues for mechanicals and is just boggles me why. I'm shooting 70#, maxiumia 350 weighted forward arrows and 2 blade Rage. When you say it will not make good penetration, it sounds like the arrow hits the deer/game and just stops and does not go an further. Are you comparing penetration to a pass thru? If my Rage does not make a pass thru is fine. But it will penetrate into the vitals and I would guess it will stick out the other side if not pass thru. I just don't get the no penetration with mechanicals. Thanks for the help and replys......
Thanks, Jigfish
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Re: Rage, Explain to Me Please....
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10/13/10 07:27 PM
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I have shot 2 deer with rage broad heads and had pass through shots on both. I don't shoot them now because I don't like that they open so easily when bumped. I don't think they are a bad broad head but to each their own.
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Re: Rage, Explain to Me Please....
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10/13/10 07:57 PM
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KE comes from what? I'm shooting 100gr Rage 2 Blade. That is the same 100gr as any other broad head or am I wrong. I keep hearing about the penetration issues for mechanicals and is just boggles me why. I'm shooting 70#, maxiumia 350 weighted forward arrows and 2 blade Rage. When you say it will not make good penetration, it sounds like the arrow hits the deer/game and just stops and does not go an further. Are you comparing penetration to a pass thru? If my Rage does not make a pass thru is fine. But it will penetrate into the vitals and I would guess it will stick out the other side if not pass thru. I just don't get the no penetration with mechanicals. Thanks for the help and replys...... They will still penetrate plenty, especially with a fast bow. But not as much as a fixed blade. Think about it - when the rage hits the animal it requires some energy to open the blades, therefore that energy is lost and will not transfer to the arrow passing through the animal's body. Simple physics.
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Re: Rage, Explain to Me Please....
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10/13/10 08:26 PM
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They get plenty of penetration. They might not pass through EVERY time but they still get plenty of penetration to kill
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Re: Rage, Explain to Me Please....
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10/13/10 08:33 PM
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The only problem I've had with rage is that they dont allow my dog to have very long tracks...
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Re: Rage, Explain to Me Please....
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10/13/10 08:49 PM
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You guys keep shooting the mechanicals, the day will come when you wish you had a fixed blade on there. I have been in your shoes and thought I would never have a problem with mechanicals. I would not shoot a deer with one now at all.
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Re: Rage, Explain to Me Please....
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10/13/10 09:10 PM
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There is a lot of math involved in passtru's via blades... KE, type of tissue plus friction and surface area of BH... ect.
No matter what broad head your shooting if you hit them in the shoulder bone.. your not going to get it a pass tru. Seen guys cus all kinds of BH's. personally i want something that leaves a a big entrance wound that fat won't clog it
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Re: Rage, Explain to Me Please....
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10/13/10 09:27 PM
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The only problem I've had with rage is that they dont allow my dog to have very long tracks... That is pretty funny and has been my personal experience. I don't always get a pass through, but every deer has died within 40 yards from where they were hit.
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Re: Rage, Explain to Me Please....
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10/14/10 01:47 AM
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I shoot Grim Reapers and bloodrunners all day and will do so until they fail. Alot of times, bow hunters are too quick to blame the bh when the problem was them. Hard to face the truth. Now, I'm not a Rage fan and will never use them, but I have seen the damage they do with a well-placed shot.
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Re: Rage, Explain to Me Please....
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10/14/10 01:52 AM
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I too have seen the damage they do on a well placed shot but that kinda defeats the purpose of a 2" cut doesn't it? I thought the whole point was to be lethal even if the shot was not so good? I have also seen a rib stop a mechanical broadhead and had I been using a Muzzy or G5, it would have gone through like butter. I don't disagree that most of the time the mechanicals will get the job done but it's that small percentage of the time that it does not that I can not justify. Would anyone argue that fixed broadheads get less penetration than mechanicals? Then why would you not want to use what's proven? Anything mechanical will fail sooner or later and it does take kinetic energy away to open a mechanical. Use what you want, but I'll stick to my Muzzys.
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Re: Rage, Explain to Me Please....
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10/14/10 02:05 AM
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I知 not a mechanical fan by any means, but I知 not aware of any penetration issues with the Rages or any other mechanical broad head on the market. I used quite a few mech and had no issues so to speak, then i got confident and bought some eastman mech. from wally world, killed two deer no issue then had 2 that had about 2" penetration, these blades would fail to open completely and crumple like the front end of a car, stopping them dead in there tracks with no penetration. PS shoot a broadhead target with mech and with fixed out of the same bow, fixed blades do penetrate farther, farther than even fieldpoints.
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Re: Rage, Explain to Me Please....
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10/14/10 04:08 AM
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funny you said that becuz I did the same thing with my Magnus stingers and my grim reapers. My Monster shoots a 510 grain arrow at 308 fps. My grim reapers consistanly out penetrated my magnus by an avg of 3 inches.
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Pic's a tad bloody, but applicable....
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10/14/10 08:37 PM
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Disclaimer: I'm not in any way suggesting this should exemplify ALL rage results. I've read miles of pros & cons, and just thought I would share my results, as they apply to this particular thread. This was my first bow kill (Saturday...goooOOOO ME!) and I used a 100 gr. Rage 2-blade. Uncomfortable situation for a new archer...she ducked the string on a 30 yard shot and spun towards me. (Had she not, I'm confident it would have been a great shot. Again, my first so plz don't flame me for the placement.) I heard the Rage deploy but was darn worried about the hit. As I sat for an hour I felt the heartache of having possibly foul-shot my very first kill. When I did go look for her, I didn't have to go far. I could flatten my hand and pass it right through that wound. The rage went into her liver with 10 inches of shaft and stirred around until it made liver soup. That particular broadhead came through for me on a less than ideal hit and got me my first archery kill. So, while other broadheads may have done the same or better, THIS one happens to have been a Rage, and I'm a believer for now.
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Re: Pic's a tad bloody, but applicable....
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10/15/10 01:42 AM
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Well...They cut up to 1" more than most fixed heads, plus the blade angle isnt the best.
Over 20 deer with the Rage, and I love them. I wish they would put some kind of a chisel tip on them, thats the only down fall in my mind.
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Re: Pic's a tad bloody, but applicable....
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10/15/10 01:50 AM
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Two pigs, one 100+lbs, one 200+. One "passthru" other one got seven inches and very marginal placement. Both were dead within 150 yards. I can't complain.
yet.
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Re: Pic's a tad bloody, but applicable....
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10/15/10 01:53 AM
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I have shot 5 deer and 2 hogs and love my rage.
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Re: Rage, Explain to Me Please....
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10/15/10 11:02 AM
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So far I have shot 2 hogs and 1 9pt with the Rage 2 blade. Had pass thrus on all three. The buck I shot was quartering away and the shot exited thru the opposite shoulder. He ran about 40 yards and was DOA.
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