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It never works for me. New pup

Posted By: blanked

It never works for me. New pup - 09/22/15 11:45 AM

Currently in montana running my new pup with my older dogs. Complete bust. Just like all my other dogs when they were pups. The idea of the old dog showing the new dog never helps me. Pup is just running around looking for the old dog and busting his points time and time again. This morning going back to my tried and true method and hunt pup alone
Posted By: bill oxner

Re: It never works for me. New pup - 09/22/15 12:18 PM

It's not good for the pup or the older dog.

Hunting report? How's the hunting?
Posted By: CCBIRDDOGMAN

Re: It never works for me. New pup - 09/22/15 01:21 PM

They need both. To get to run some with the big dogs and get to hunt on their own. But a pup needs to be collar conditioned and have good recall before I turn them loose with an older dog. And I always work pups on pen raised quail or pigeons (will be pigeons from now on) before they are turned loose on wild birds anyway, so I have never had one that has messed up much from day one in a wild bird field.
Posted By: bill oxner

Re: It never works for me. New pup - 09/22/15 01:32 PM

How old is the pup?
Posted By: blanked

Re: It never works for me. New pup - 09/22/15 08:47 PM

8 months old. I got her nose working on pigeons and pointing, used to the gun shot, comes when called before we left. Its a whole different ballgame with hunting wild birds.
On a good day in 4 hours were finding 3 coveys of huns and 10 to 20 sharptails. With my older dogs
Posted By: NorthTXbirdhunter

Re: It never works for me. New pup - 09/22/15 09:50 PM

On my trips to Montana, there were a lot of hedgerows through out that country. Hedgerows hold birds. Take the time to go walk one of these rows with your pup, just the two of you. Let the pup point, chase, act like a puppy. No shooting just yet. Usually, a light will go off in the pup's mind and it will try to point and hold. If this is done somewhat acceptable, you may want to harvest the bird or two. Be patient! This is a long process. Just talk to the pup and encourage it. If it points, do not say a word. Let it hold as long as it will. Try not to walk in from behind to flush because the pup might think you are inviting it to help you flush. Swing a little wide of the pup and try to flush back at the pup from the front. The pup needs to see you, not hear you, in the same panoramic as it is focusing on the bird. But the most important thing is to find some birds. The pup will not make a dog in the dog box and without birds.
Posted By: TXPanhandler

Re: It never works for me. New pup - 09/23/15 02:21 AM

Interesting. I have always run pups with older dogs and had great success.
Posted By: MoBettaHuntR

Re: It never works for me. New pup - 09/23/15 05:05 PM

Pointing is inherent patience is not. The pup thinks she's winning first to bird giver time shell hunt.
Posted By: bill oxner

Re: It never works for me. New pup - 09/23/15 05:40 PM

Originally Posted By: TXPanhandler
Interesting. I have always run pups with older dogs and had great success.


I've had some that trailed and some that never did from the start, but never one that I would allow to but pointed birds. Imagine the embarrassment if you were hunting with others who had dogs.
Posted By: kindall

Re: It never works for me. New pup - 09/23/15 10:33 PM

I wouldn't be embarrassed. I would just put the pup on a check cord to keep it from being a pain, or put it up. Then work it later, after the big dogs have finished.
Posted By: reeltexan

Re: It never works for me. New pup - 09/26/15 04:23 PM


I always focus on yard work with a pup. Once those basics are locked in the time in the field seems to go much better.
Posted By: blanked

Re: It never works for me. New pup - 09/26/15 05:55 PM

Well its working already. Pup pointed 1 covey of huns and 3 sharptails this morning. Proud papa
Posted By: colt45-90

Re: It never works for me. New pup - 09/27/15 07:53 PM

Originally Posted By: reeltexan

I always focus on yard work with a pup. Once those basics are locked in the time in the field seems to go much better.
+1, I have had pups that could do it early, others took longer
Posted By: Esh and Hattie

Re: It never works for me. New pup - 09/27/15 08:50 PM

Originally Posted By: blanked
Well its working already. Pup pointed 1 covey of huns and 3 sharptails this morning. Proud papa


cheers good deal!
Posted By: HaveGunWillHunt

Re: It never works for me. New pup - 10/07/15 05:03 PM

I saved myself the aggravation and had mine professionally trained. They did an awesome job.

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Posted By: CinchMan

Re: It never works for me. New pup - 10/07/15 05:46 PM

Originally Posted By: HaveGunWillHunt
I saved myself the aggravation and had mine professionally trained. They did an awesome job.

http://www.ronniesmithkennels.com










By far one of the best trainers nationally IMO. I plan on taking their seminars soon as well, that way I can take what they teach home with me and train the pup myself.
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