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Graining the roads

Posted By: bill oxner

Graining the roads - 09/21/15 01:40 PM

That's the only way to hunt quail in some of the brush country, and I approve that. How do you feel about graining the roads for quail hinting? For just working dogs.
Posted By: RayB

Re: Graining the roads - 09/21/15 03:31 PM

Before I dogged up I was invited on a quail hunt, guys grained under mesquite trees then road around in their trucks when they saw quail under the trees they skillet shot them. I think I'll just let the dogs earn their keep and miss the flying little rockets. I know I'll get dirty looks from the dogs but I'll live with it.
Posted By: NorthTXbirdhunter

Re: Graining the roads - 09/21/15 09:32 PM

Originally Posted By: bill oxner
That's the only way to hunt quail in some of the brush country, and I approve that. How do you feel about graining the roads for quail hinting? For just working dogs.


Bill,
You show to be a birddog/quail hunting purist of which I appreciate. If it comes to graining roads, I am through. The hunt is about the dog, not the quail. By graining roads, you not only expose the quail for the gun, but also for the hawks and other feral animals. I know that I am going to get beat up on this board for saying this, but I think the practice should be outlawed. If you want to feed the quail, broadcast the feed in the field, in the cover, and let the dogs find them the right way. Skillet shooting quail is awful!
Posted By: bill oxner

Re: Graining the roads - 09/21/15 09:39 PM

Originally Posted By: NorthTXbirdhunter
Originally Posted By: bill oxner
That's the only way to hunt quail in some of the brush country, and I approve that. How do you feel about graining the roads for quail hinting? For just working dogs.


Bill,
You show to be a birddog/quail hunting purist of which I appreciate. If it comes to graining roads, I am through. The hunt is about the dog, not the quail. By graining roads, you not only expose the quail for the gun, but also for the hawks and other feral animals. I know that I am going to get beat up on this board for saying this, but I think the practice should be outlawed. If you want to feed the quail, broadcast the feed in the field, in the cover, and let the dogs find them the right way. Skillet shooting quail is awful!


I generally agree with you, but you will not outlaw it in Texas. I remember some dove hunters getting into trouble for shooting dove off those same roads.
Posted By: bobcat1

Re: Graining the roads - 09/21/15 11:09 PM

Originally Posted By: NorthTXbirdhunter
Originally Posted By: bill oxner
That's the only way to hunt quail in some of the brush country, and I approve that. How do you feel about graining the roads for quail hinting? For just working dogs.


Bill,
You show to be a birddog/quail hunting purist of which I appreciate. If it comes to graining roads, I am through. The hunt is about the dog, not the quail. By graining roads, you not only expose the quail for the gun, but also for the hawks and other feral animals. I know that I am going to get beat up on this board for saying this, but I think the practice should be outlawed. If you want to feed the quail, broadcast the feed in the field, in the cover, and let the dogs find them the right way. Skillet shooting quail is awful!
This and it teaches dogs to run trails and roads. We used to put birds out horseback and you could watch the dogs track right where the horses went and find the birds. Graining roads before or after season I have no problem with. Don't like Skillet shots either.
Posted By: blanked

Re: Graining the roads - 09/22/15 12:38 AM

Its cheating and lazy. No other state allows it
Posted By: Whoa

Re: Graining the roads - 09/22/15 01:10 AM

Originally Posted By: NorthTXbirdhunter
Originally Posted By: bill oxner
That's the only way to hunt quail in some of the brush country, and I approve that. How do you feel about graining the roads for quail hinting? For just working dogs.


Bill,
You show to be a birddog/quail hunting purist of which I appreciate. If it comes to graining roads, I am through. The hunt is about the dog, not the quail. By graining roads, you not only expose the quail for the gun, but also for the hawks and other feral animals. I know that I am going to get beat up on this board for saying this, but I think the practice should be outlawed. If you want to feed the quail, broadcast the feed in the field, in the cover, and let the dogs find them the right way. Skillet shooting quail is awful!



Ditto
Posted By: ALM TXhunter

Re: Graining the roads - 09/22/15 05:08 PM

Doesn't seem to be much sport involved in that.
Posted By: Baylor_Bears

Re: Graining the roads - 09/22/15 06:19 PM

I got blasted, absolutely blasted on the deer page a couple years ago for this view and probably will again. It is no different than deer hunting over a feeder, or bear hunting over a 55-gallon drum stuffed with jelly donuts. I think its lazy and shouldnt be allowed. Put in the work, filling a feeder or throwing grain on a gravel road isnt work. My two cents as a young man!
Posted By: RayB

Re: Graining the roads - 09/22/15 07:01 PM

Originally Posted By: Baylor_Bears
I got blasted, absolutely blasted on the deer page a couple years ago for this view and probably will again. It is no different than deer hunting over a feeder, or beer hunting over a 55-gallon drum stuffed with jelly donuts. I think its lazy and shouldnt be allowed. Put in the work, filling a feeder or throwing grain on a gravel road isnt work. My two cents as a young man!

Some guy were complaining about the price of deer leases and I just said if they want deer lease prices to go down all the needed do was outlaw feeders, I was called a Yankee that should go back north. I'm an old fat guy
Posted By: NorthTXbirdhunter

Re: Graining the roads - 09/22/15 07:09 PM

Originally Posted By: Baylor_Bears
I got blasted, absolutely blasted on the deer page a couple years ago for this view and probably will again. It is no different than deer hunting over a feeder, or beer hunting over a 55-gallon drum stuffed with jelly donuts. I think its lazy and shouldnt be allowed. Put in the work, filling a feeder or throwing grain on a gravel road isnt work. My two cents as a young man!


Thanks for your point of view. I also have a problem with quail feeders on ranches and leases. They can become a death trap for a covey because hawks and owls and feral predators start stalking at feeding time which is a pretty close pattern every day. In working with the Quail-Tech team, I have learned it is better to pour milo out of a bag in a straight line in the cover away from roads and feeders. It does provide food for the quail in the cover and decreases their chances of being ambushed by all, even the hunters. I don't have one problem with harvesting quail as long as it is done in the old-fashioned gentlemanly, purist way of putting in the time behind a fine brace of dogs and wearing boot leather out. As you mentioned, it creates a lot more satisfaction and memories for me to put the work in to accomplish this mission.
Posted By: Baylor_Bears

Re: Graining the roads - 09/22/15 09:41 PM

Originally Posted By: Barny Topwater
Originally Posted By: Baylor_Bears
I got blasted, absolutely blasted on the deer page a couple years ago for this view and probably will again. It is no different than deer hunting over a feeder, or beer hunting over a 55-gallon drum stuffed with jelly donuts. I think its lazy and shouldnt be allowed. Put in the work, filling a feeder or throwing grain on a gravel road isnt work. My two cents as a young man!

Some guy were complaining about the price of deer leases and I just said if they want deer lease prices to go down all the needed do was outlaw feeders, I was called a Yankee that should go back north. I'm an old fat guy


That is not to say that I look down on people who use these methods. To each his own, hunting over a feeder was how I was introduced to hunting to begin with. I just personally don't get a whole lot out of shooting something that I pump full of feed.
Posted By: TXPanhandler

Re: Graining the roads - 09/23/15 02:32 AM

[/quote]
Thanks for your point of view. I also have a problem with quail feeders on ranches and leases. They can become a death trap for a covey because hawks and owls and feral predators start stalking at feeding time which is a pretty close pattern every day. In working with the Quail-Tech team, I have learned it is better to pour milo out of a bag in a straight line in the cover away from roads and feeders. It does provide food for the quail in the cover and decreases their chances of being ambushed by all, even the hunters. I don't have one problem with harvesting quail as long as it is done in the old-fashioned gentlemanly, purist way of putting in the time behind a fine brace of dogs and wearing boot leather out. As you mentioned, it creates a lot more satisfaction and memories for me to put the work in to accomplish this mission. [/quote]

I don't agree with the no feeders on ranches. I hunt a 140 section ranch in Moore county that we have put about 100 feeders on. Most of the feeders are in the middle of plum thickets (where birds are not ambushed by predators) and it has helped us enjoy the hunting so much more. The coveys are bigger/healthier every year. We take people hunting who don't get around well and are not capable of walking 20 miles in a day and put on awesome hunts for everybody including the dogs.

I can totally understand not putting feeders on a 640 acre lease, but when you hunt big country the feeders make for a much more enjoyable hunt and less time spent in the truck.
Posted By: NorthTXbirdhunter

Re: Graining the roads - 09/23/15 03:33 AM

Why not scatter or broadcast feed in the brush and cover that give the birds the best chance of survival instead of enticing them into the proverbial gas chamber? I am all about feeding quail, just not from feeders nor in the middle of the road.
Posted By: bermise

Re: Graining the roads - 09/27/15 02:56 AM

Originally Posted By: Baylor_Bears
I got blasted, absolutely blasted on the deer page a couple years ago for this view and probably will again. It is no different than deer hunting over a feeder, or bear hunting over a 55-gallon drum stuffed with jelly donuts. I think its lazy and shouldnt be allowed. Put in the work, filling a feeder or throwing grain on a gravel road isnt work. My two cents as a young man!


What's the difference between a corn feeder or corn field? There both hunting over bait
Posted By: Phantom

Re: Graining the roads - 09/27/15 06:34 PM

For Bobs I use my dog and have never grained a road. I have really not thought about doing it truthfully. I really am just there to watch my dog work. When we hunted blues in west texas we used to grain roads but I would not take my dog we just ran after them.
Posted By: scalebuster

Re: Graining the roads - 09/27/15 07:42 PM

I've never done it. If I did I would probably keep the dogs in the box and just let them out to round up the dead birds. It sounds like a good way to get a few skillet shots for dinner.
Posted By: therancher

Re: Graining the roads - 10/01/15 04:31 PM

Your ranch, hunt it your way. Don't nanny me with your preference.

Deer feeders cause the death of VASTLY more quail to predators than quail feeders or graining roads ever will ( due to the much higher number of deer feeders ).

While I like the idea of placing quail feeders in cover, unless you don't allow deer feeders you're not accomplishing much.
Posted By: reeltexan

Re: Graining the roads - 10/01/15 04:58 PM


Interesting thread. I've never hunted on, or "grained" a road.
I always thought deer feeders were a bit questionable.

Still, to each his own. I'll keep hunting my dogs the same way as always.
Posted By: kweber

Re: Graining the roads - 10/01/15 07:00 PM

what about all those trucks w/seats on the front?
do they drive behind the dogs?
Posted By: bill oxner

Re: Graining the roads - 10/01/15 08:58 PM

Originally Posted By: kweber
what about all those trucks w/seats on the front?
do they drive behind the dogs?


You'll still get to watch the dog work and kill less birds than walking with a loaded gun.
Posted By: redchevy

Re: Graining the roads - 10/01/15 09:16 PM

I don't have dogs, skillet shooting is the only way to go!
Posted By: bill oxner

Re: Graining the roads - 10/01/15 09:25 PM

Originally Posted By: redchevy
I don't have dogs, skillet shooting is the only way to go!


Or, invite a friend with dogs.
Posted By: reeltexan

Re: Graining the roads - 10/05/15 12:06 AM

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Posted By: Matpk

Re: Graining the roads - 10/06/15 04:44 PM

Originally Posted By: NorthTXbirdhunter
Originally Posted By: bill oxner
That's the only way to hunt quail in some of the brush country, and I approve that. How do you feel about graining the roads for quail hinting? For just working dogs.


Bill,
You show to be a birddog/quail hunting purist of which I appreciate. If it comes to graining roads, I am through. The hunt is about the dog, not the quail. By graining roads, you not only expose the quail for the gun, but also for the hawks and other feral animals. I know that I am going to get beat up on this board for saying this, but I think the practice should be outlawed. If you want to feed the quail, broadcast the feed in the field, in the cover, and let the dogs find them the right way. Skillet shooting quail is awful!



I endorsed it. Skillet KILLING ..What I will call it. confused2
Posted By: NorthTXbirdhunter

Re: Graining the roads - 10/06/15 07:42 PM

Originally Posted By: matpk
Originally Posted By: NorthTXbirdhunter
Originally Posted By: bill oxner
That's the only way to hunt quail in some of the brush country, and I approve that. How do you feel about graining the roads for quail hinting? For just working dogs.


Bill,
You show to be a birddog/quail hunting purist of which I appreciate. If it comes to graining roads, I am through. The hunt is about the dog, not the quail. By graining roads, you not only expose the quail for the gun, but also for the hawks and other feral animals. I know that I am going to get beat up on this board for saying this, but I think the practice should be outlawed. If you want to feed the quail, broadcast the feed in the field, in the cover, and let the dogs find them the right way. Skillet shooting quail is awful!



I endorsed it. Skillet KILLING ..What I will call it. confused2
Posted By: NorthTXbirdhunter

Re: Graining the roads - 10/06/15 07:45 PM

Originally Posted By: NorthTXbirdhunter
Originally Posted By: matpk
Originally Posted By: NorthTXbirdhunter
Originally Posted By: bill oxner
That's the only way to hunt quail in some of the brush country, and I approve that. How do you feel about graining the roads for quail hinting? For just working dogs.


Bill,
You show to be a birddog/quail hunting purist of which I appreciate. If it comes to graining roads, I am through. The hunt is about the dog, not the quail. By graining roads, you not only expose the quail for the gun, but also for the hawks and other feral animals. I know that I am going to get beat up on this board for saying this, but I think the practice should be outlawed. If you want to feed the quail, broadcast the feed in the field, in the cover, and let the dogs find them the right way. Skillet shooting quail is awful!



I endorsed it. Skillet KILLING ..What I will call it. confused2


Wow! That statement does not even deserve a response.
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