Carry in Someone Else's Home

Hello THF friends. I have a question.
If I have a LTC am I allowed by law to carry a concealed handgun into another person's home?
If anybody here can answer my question and tell me where it is in the Texas gun laws booklet I would surely appreciate the help.
Thanks.

You must have permission OR otherwise be in 'control' of the premises.

My work has me entering homes daily. I never mention what is in my pockets.

concealed is concealed...all the more reason to avoid open carry

Per the law, IF the premises are not posted with the correct signage *30.06 for concealed and/or 30.07 for open carry* you may legally enter. But verbal notification is binding also. After Sept. 1st a 30.05 sign *and certain others will also serve* to forbid permit-less carry.

But in all cases....common courtesy dictates when entering another's home....you should first seek permission. There are exceptions....when you have been temporarily placed in charge/control of the home/property. I.E. house sitting or checking on an abode or animals there.

IF it is your intent to suggest that carrying concealed *where it is expressly not wanted or illegal* is a means 'around' the issue, then you are exactly the kind of person who give the rest of us a bad name. IF not, please disregard.

As for Open Carry, it has it's Pro's and Con's which have been discussed at length. Do so...if/when you wish.....or not, but you should not summarily disparage the practice 'if that was the point of your comment'.

I am responding to the topic of THIS thread..."someone else's home". If am carrying concealed, being discrete the home owner will never know I'm carrying, it will never become an issue. I do NOT brag "I'm carrying a gun". I have never seen a home posted 30.06 or 30.07.

I could care less what you do. What a pfhucking...id..iot

So.....you affirm that you think its OK to simply conceal? The premise being: IF no one knows...then what is the harm, right?

A blatant disregard for both the law *in some cases* and the rights of a property owner in others using that logic *if we are to consider it logic*.

At best....it would be a complete lack of respect and decorum to not ask the property owner if it was OK, but perhaps you possess neither?

As for the ad hominem attacks....it really doesn't help your position, but if they make you feel better....well be my guest. I prefer to stay on subject. If you don't have an intelligent rebuttal...then maybe its best to examine your position. Is it possible you might just be wrong?

While you are constructing your response to this *which I know you will*, I will go "pound some sand".....since I know that is coming.

The way the law is with a LTC you can carry wherever you want (aside from schools, airport, etc) unless there is the proper 30.06 or 07 signage or you are directly told not to. Someone else’s home is no different than any where else the eyes of the law. You do not have to have explicit permission or be in control of the property to carry there. It is legal unless you are properly notified otherwise.

Now whether it is disrespectful or not is an entirely different story. This is where the concealed is concealed comes in to play. It isn’t breaking any laws and the homeowner doesn’t really need to know you are carrying. If say I was an insurance adjuster and had to travel to all kinds of good and bad areas of town and go inside and visit with homeowners about their claims you can bet I would be carrying. Perfectly legal to do so and I wouldn’t be asking everyone I visit if it was ok.

If somebody came to my house carrying a firearm, and I did not like it, I would ask them to leave. Just that simple.

Yep, agreed.

Has anyone seen a "home" posted 30.06 or 30.07?
Has anyone been asked to leave a home by the home owner becuase they were "advertising I'm carrying a firearm"?

Totally right



This for sure

I've never seen a sign posted at a residence. Not to be unexpected since most residences are not open to or visited by the general public. A person's 'home' however, I believe creates an additional need for consideration of the homeowners 'wishes/position'. Quite separate from the dictates of the law. We can all appreciate *I hope* that everything that is 'lawful' is not necessarily the best thing to do.

Your second question *related to open carry* into a home is an easy one for me to answer since I have seen this play out firsthand. The boyfriend of one of my nieces came to visit and sauntered into my In-Laws home with his pistol openly carried and quite visible. My In-Laws are in no way anti-gun but my Father-in-Law appropriately told the young man he would need to disarm before reentering their home.

The young man *freshly ex-military* had really given no thought to it and had not considered it might cause any concern. In reality....that proved not to be the case. Speaking with my In-Laws about the matter... later revealed they were more than a little offended about the incident.

So we have an object lesson where there were no written laws broken, but the wishes/concerns of the homeowner were never considered. It can be rightfully said that if a person were carrying concealed this would not have happened *the altercation*. But does not having been 'discovered' make it alright?

Does doing that which is 'lawful' in this case circumvent the possible wishes of the property owner in their own home? My point being....I think considerate folks will by default seek to understand that a person's home presents special considerations, not spelled out in the law. Otherwise we'd all have to post big, honking 30.06, 30.07 signs at entrance or verbally advise every person entering. I'm confident that was not the intent of law makers as concerns the homes we live in.

So.....what to do? Some will fall back on the 'letter of the law' and give it no further thought. Others 'hopefully' will be better stewards and give more thought to WHERE and WHEN it is appropriate to carry to begin with...and IF there should be a concern to notify.

I've been carrying since 1996 and encourage anyone that wants to....to do so. I'm not a 'carry 24/7' person and don't have a pistol in my shower. If you live in an area that requires that for your safety, save your money and move. But that's a different argument.

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...so I will fall back on my original comment in this thread, "concealed is concealed". I DO NOT open carry. I'm not advertising in any way, I'm not telling anyone that "I HAVE A GUN (OH MY)", I'm not asking permission, essentially the gun is NEVER SEEN so the issue never comes up.

On the off chance I am asked to leave then so be it, I would leave (this has NEVER happened).

why would you go if you felt the need to carry

Its the age old question isn't it.

Of course there are places/events where the risks of needing to use lethal force for protection are so small....it just doesn't make sense.

On the other hand.....commuting to and from those places could potentially put you in harms way.

We 'prepare' for the unexpected as much as it makes sense to do and hope not to need it. Situational awareness is key to avoiding trouble, but sometimes trouble finds you anyway. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to carry and some folks simply have no choice.

Probably an in-law that hates guns and votes for democrats that told him not to bring a gun in its house.

That is such an ignorant question. No personal offense meant but how exactly is anyone supposed to know when they will need their firearm for defense? Why would you drive somewhere if you felt the need to wear your seatbelt? Criminals / mass shooters attack in all kinds of places. I fully realize the odds of needing to use your firearm for defense are very low but if it happens I bet it does when you least expect it and in a place you perceived as safe. I carry all the time. I don’t get to pick and choose when it might be needed.

You want a relavent example? My wife’s little sister had an ex boyfriend she hadn’t seen or even talked to in four years. One year at Christmas we are all at her parents house and he shows up drunk causing trouble. Her dad tells him to leave. Drunk ex pulls a knife and refuses. Her brother is a prison guard and grabs some pepper spray from his car and soaks him and then held him down until the cops arrive. Not at all a crazy family I have been with my wife twenty years and this is the only thing remotely crazy I have ever seen. What if the brother wouldn’t have been there and crazy ex stabbed dad? There are a million other possible scenarios. One time in the middle of the day in a nice neighborhood some drugged out guy just walked right in to my grandparents house. I don’t rely on others to provide for my own safety.

I guess everyone has different views but I don’t associate with people who are anti gun. I can’t think of a single friend I have whose house I would or have been to that would be offended if I carried there. Heck when we get together we usually talk guns and hunting. If someone is going to freak out about me carrying I most likely wouldn’t be their friend or be there in the first place. If they took offense I certainly wouldn’t be back not because they wouldn’t welcome me but because I wouldn’t want to. Your niece’s boyfriend seems like a good guy. Your inlaws should have been thanking him for his service and for wanting to carry and keep the niece safe not getting bent out of shape about it.

Please let me explain why I asked the question in the first place. My mother and father in law are in their eighties and don't like guns. I have a LTC but don't carry a gun into their home. Would I be correct in telling them that unless they post a 30:06 and a 30:07 sign in their home then a license holder can carry in their home without asking permission?
I'd also like to show it to them in the Texas law book if you could tell me where to find it.
Thanks.

"Would I be correct in telling them that unless they post a 30:06 and a 30:07 sign in their home then a license holder can carry in their home without asking permission?"

No.

Carry concealed and keep quiet about guns. Since they don't like guns the topic will probably not even come up. If they see you carrying in their home and they ask you to remove the gun from this home then comply without delay.

Your rights end where theirs begin.

Technically, Texgun, you would be correct. If they don't post a sign, and if they don't verbally communicate no firearms, then yes, someone who is invited into their home can carry a legally concealed firearm. But why give them the information? What they don't know won't hurt them, and could probably make them safer.

Do you really think that criminals go to the poorest and most unsafe part of town to commit burglary or worse? Well they don't, they drive around nice neighborhoods of working folks that have nice things. Having a weapon and not carrying, is like waiting for a fire to happen before you buy a fire extinguisher.

Thank you for all of your help.

If my In-Laws communicated to me that they did not want a gun in their home, I would not bring a gun into their home out of respect. That is their castle. No brainer.

If my In-Laws didn't want a gun in their home, I wouldn't come into their home.

If my wife threw a fit about this kind of situation.....well, don't ever take marital advice from me.

You do what you think is the right thing to do for you and your family.

As far as me and my house, we will be armed and I expect that any Son In Law of mine would do the same.

Don't be a DB about it, keep it concealed.

Don't bring the subject up. Unless your In Laws are cool, then hell yeh...

Well if you just got a new carry pistol, you've got to show it to someone!!!!!

LOL. I just bought a new carry pistol for my DIL. She understands, keep it put away and act like a regular person.

At my house, there's always gun stuff going on. Pull that sucker out.

Good points from both sides; but, I do not carry into a person's home out of respect for their home.

Why is this an issue? I assume you are ok not carrying at their house because of their wishes. Who all is going to their home? Why do you want to help them unarm others? I seriously doubt people are open carrying to their house and if they are carrying concealed I doubt they would ever know. Unless they brought this up and asked you for guidance it seems like you are just going to give them something to worry about. Not that you are going to change their views at age 80 but tell them rest assured if someone with a gun intends to harm them you are sure they will see their no gun sign and stop and leave.

Here is a link to the laws. https://guides.sll.texas.gov/gun-laws/carry-of-firearms

OK they're in their 80's,they don't like guns, they're your in-laws and it's their house, do you think shoving a law in their face is going to improve the relationship or worsen it? I'm trying to understand why you would even want to carry in their house knowing the above.

I'm trying to understand why it's even an issue. Carry concealed and keep your mouth shut.

If I didn't know their feelings I would stick to this plan and everyone would be blissfully ignorant. If I knew their feelings in advance I would not carry in their house to respect their wishes. If I'm carrying concealed I don't think I would feel the need to ask the question.

Exactly!!!

I think ya'll are reading it wrong. He is not wanting to carry in their home. He is wanting to point out to them that if they do not have it posted or verbally tell anyone coming into their home that they can not carry, then it will be legal for say, the plumber to carry when he comes to fix their plumbing.

A man's home is his castle. You enter as his guess and abide by his rules or leave. IMHO. To me the right to carry is in public places. I'm one of those few individuals that still thinks a business is sort of a man's castle, if a business doesn't want guns in their store- their right, just as it is your right to go shop someplace else. What I am saying is the Federal government claims they have a right to make rules on how a store operates. Where in the constitution do they get that right? The Federal government claims a customer from out of state may enter the store and the store sells goods made in other states so it is "Interstate Commerce". NONSENSE, interstate commerce is one business dealing with another business in another state, period. Other wise there is no such thing as intra state and interstate commerce.
Can a town have a public carry ordinance? The old west did in a lot of places. I DON'T KNOW. I'd argue that prior to the Constitution if such existed here or there, then maybe it got grandfathered in.
And...there was a recent TV episode of "Blue Bloods" The law enforcement officers see a gun on the seat of a car and yell "GUN!!!!" Arrest the perps, whole 9 yards. Man I'm I ever a dinosaur. Remember when it was okay to have a gun rack in the back window of your pick up truck? No body had a nervous breakdown.

No one would ever know I'm carrying a gun. You going to frisk me before I enter? You going to question me to the third degree prior to entry? I do not carry where its prohibited or posted.

I look at peoples houses for a living and do a decent job depending on who you ask. I carry into every house I go to. I have 5 tomorrow. If i am out of the house I am carrying. Like a mask if they see it, yes I will leave but I have only flashed it once when the shirt got hung on an attic hinge. He said nothing and neither did I. I will put it in the truck for confidental owners IE Sherriffs dept and DPMS. Those guys are always cool.

That is how I take his post as well but my point is why does he care? Does he want to give the elderly in-laws something to worry about? Does he want them to post their front door potentially alerting criminals that it is a gun free home? Does he think a lawfully carrying plumber is a threat to them?

I get it his in-laws don’t like guns. I don’t see what potential benefit there is to anyone even bringing this subject up with them.

If OP wants to respect their wishes and not carry at their home fine he should do that. I 100% am for private property rights by the way and if someone wants to ban guns, males, females, blondes, brunettes, Christians, atheists, straight people, gay people, whatever from their home that is their right. I am just saying I don’t see the benefit to getting elderly people worked up over something like this. If they were to notice someone carrying at their home (highly unlikely) they could simply tell them to leave or not to. He doesn’t need to educate them on the nuances of posting signage at their home.

I guess if you are a service type person whose job takes you into people's homes and the weapon is out of sight and the owners say nothing- that's okay. If they see the weapon and then object, their wishes should rule.

Absolutely and do NOT become rude or combative with them either.