Core of Engineers Possibly Allowing LTC Carry

USACE has published proposed revisions to 36CFR327.13 (firearms). Time to comment!

Link here https://www.usace.army.mil/Media/Ne...uest-for-comment-on-proposed-revision-t/

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Exact docket info here: https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=COE-2018-0008-0001

Good stuff....

Stupid you cant carry now,

The Texas Game Warden will try to bust you on Lake Lewisville for carrying a gun on the lake.

thanks , I did not know this

Thank you for the heads up on this. I commented and am trying to get the word out to popular gun channels on social media.

It's....Corp of Engineers not Core of Engineers

Well, technically it’s Corps of Engineers.

...and it’s pronounced ‘core’ not ‘corpse’.

The wurd is spoke frum Frinch ... reel fancy and all uppity.

Corp. is short for Corporal or Corporation
Core as a noun is the word for the center of something.
Core as a verb is to take the center out of something
Corps is a body of two or more divisions and pronounced in the French way "Kohr"
Plural of Corps is also Corps
Corpse is a dead body

Since we're being grammar nazi's, "license to carry, carry"?

Because it is USACE fee-owned (Federal) property. Federal rules apply, just same at Jim Chapman/Cooper Lake - TPWD is licensed to manage the land and parks, but Federal rules are still applicable.

And it is the US Army Corps of Engineers - thank you very much!

And the US Army Corps of Engineers suck. They have done everything they can to restrict people from being on the property owned by the citizens of the United States. They merely manage it, and do a poor job of it.

It's a grey area, and most GW don't give two Chits if you carry on Corp lake from what I have seen

Hopefully he no longer works the lake, this was a few years ago during 4th of July.

If you do get asked if your carrying on Lewisville, I wouldn't tell them

If they run your DL, they can see you have an LTC. By law, you are supposed to tell them you are carrying if you are. Do what works for you, I’m just pointing out that you might get caught in a lie somewhere and risk having a bigger problem.

May 8th update:

What lakes were you not supposed to carry on? Asking for a friend....

Army Corps of Engineers managed lakes. Yes, that includes Texoma.

When we decided to move to a lake front home, we specifically avoided Corps lakes because of the difficulty getting permission to build a private boat dock at your home. I have heard that they are beginning to issue private dock permits again.

I have not told them I was carrying when pulled over in my car, he said I was suppose to tell him.

I told him since now of days you don't have to have a CHL/LTC to carry in car I thought the rule no longer existed.

Just because one has a LTC doesn't mean one is carrying, I quit carrying on Lewisville and Grapevine

We "Bought" a COE frontage piece of property at Lake Texoma that had had a BoatHouse permit 1st granted in the '50's in 1998, after winning an Auction and took over a year + with having to go to Court to have the property's Legal Title transferred....some thing the previous 2 Buyers had not done, when there was no clear Title to the either the house or the boathouse property. Cluster of all clusters for sure. The House and "boathouse" were a disaster and total trash....the roof of the house had fallen in and the boathouse had turned over and the COE was demanding action and had already red tagged the Permit. Found out later that none of these issues were uncommon at Texoma in the older sections on the Texas side in Grayson County. There were (are?? still) 55 gallon drum septic systems in one area I know of where a buddy had had a lake house not far from GranPappy's Marina until he got another divorce. We finally got to set up the house in 2000 after 2 years of prep ( everything from the "septic system to ???) but got to live at the Lake House fulltime for 11 years while I had multiple health issues resolved, until 2016 when we moved to Palestine. We still miss Texoma and always will ...but would NEVER ...NOT EVER buy another property on any COE lake in Texas

Case in Point ,,,,Found out years after the house was set up that Grayson County had "inherited" a gravel access road from the COE that crossed their property, and GC's Precinct Commissioner refused to acknowledge the COE's transferring the right of way action and maintain it. After that AH was voted out of office we finally got a gravel road only to have it flooded to within 30 feet of my house that was 50' above spillway level by the COE's mis management of the Flood of 2013. More than once I questioned my sanity in those years...but the property was where we had decided to plan our retirement...after looking for 3 years from PK to the west to Bob Sandlin to the east and as far south as Richland Chambers for something that fit our Retirement Master Plan $$'s Always wanted and dreamed of Lakefront somewhere.... and ours was with a front porch mile view across Little Mineral to the beach area south of GranPappy's, with a sand beach in front of us, and the boathouse in the creek, 10 minutes from the Lighthouse Gas dock & ramps....and less than 2 hours in Friday Nite Rush Hour from the house in Carrollton. Was Gonna be Heaven....

Back to the LTC on COE subject of the thread...At Texoma IMO JMHO is that it should be mandatory for ALL the "legal" local residents to have a CHL, every man, woman & child over the legal age requirement ...Lot's of out of state owners, enough to surprise me - mostly Okie's, felons & non-legal's in Grayson County ....'cause GC's Sherrif's Dept is NOT GONNA RESPOND to ANY 911 calls if the Dispatchers know that the call originated at Lake Texoma. BTDT and had a conversation that ended one time with a GCSO Officer offering to arrest me for making a "terroristic threat " when I wanted an illegal bonfire extinguished less than 100 yards from my house 1/2 way the waters edge in hyper dry fall weather with a County Burn Ban in effect, when the Officer refused to set foot on COE Property and I "suggested" that I could "handle" it myself.

Buy another house adjacent to COE Property... I Doan't think it would a good idea in any COE lake in Texas I am familiar with, and I would most definitely support a CHL for each and every legal holder of age, to the point of making it legal requirement for ownership of any habitable property at Lake Texoma.
JMHO & YMMV
Ron

Wow,
Texoma sounds pretty lawless!

From the lady that heads DPS LTC department I was told if you have LTC you must declare when stopped, if no LTC you do not need to declare, but must tell if asked about firearm. This was a few years ago, don't think rules changed.

Same for Lake Grapevine.

Carrying in the car is a grey area when you have a LTC. Since you are allowed to travel with a pistol as long as it is concealed, technically you aren’t carrying under your LTC unless you are open carrying. Outside the car you have to inform of course. My experience is showing your LTC even when not carrying is a good faith move that most of the time will get you excellent results with LEOs. FWIW every time I’ve presented my LTC an officer they handed it right back to me and didn’t even ask if I was carrying,

Without LTC, you can carry in your vehicle. But, it must be concealed and it cannot be on your person. Laying it under an article of clothing in passenger seat fulfills the requirement if you don’t have an LTC.

I totally agree that showing your LTC regardless and being open about whether or not you are carrying is a good faith move. It also tells the officer that you have been more thoroughly vetted than the non LTC citizen. FWIW.

The penalty for not telling a LEO that you have a LTC when you are asked for ID has been eliminated. There is no punishment for not declaring you have a LTC.

However, the requirement that you tell them still exists. You are, by law, required to tell a LEO that you have a LTC if asked for ID.

If you don't, there's nothing they can do (legally) to you for not telling them.

They can, however, get annoyed and make things more unpleasant for you than they might have been otherwise.

It's probably a good idea to just tell them. No need to 'Poke the Bear' unnecessarily.

I learned this while carrying all of my registered firearms in a boat on Lake Lewisville. Not wanting to break the law, I dumped them all into the lake immediately. And that’s why I no longer own any of the firearms registered to me.

Not to worry, no firearms registration needed in Texas.

have only been pulled over once since I got my chl back in 08.

stopped, both hands on the wheel and window down, leo walked up and my first words before he could say anything were that I was carrying and what would he like me to do.

asked where pistol was and told him small of back, he said we're good, gave both licenses and insurance and got out of what could have been a felony speeding ticket (still had my cdl A license, missed a sign and was 20 over in a school zone on a hiway).

couple of other mitigating factors but I have found if you just tell them first things are a whole lot better than leo finding one you didn't declare.

also, got my first chl in Okieland, there it is mandatory you declare any weapons in the vehicle, they won't play nice if they find one you forgot about.

How does this relate to possibly carrying on corp land?