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How to judge antler size in velvet?

Posted By: VMike

How to judge antler size in velvet? - 08/15/20 11:52 AM

I am sure this has been covered. About how much mass will a buck lose when it scraps off its velvet?
Posted By: snake oil

Re: How to judge antler size in velvet? - 08/15/20 12:23 PM

Probably about one percent. So if the buck has 30" of mass hard maybe 33" in velvet.
Posted By: stxranchman

Re: How to judge antler size in velvet? - 08/15/20 12:39 PM

I use 2% to 3% off of the final score. It really depends on the buck. Mass is where they loose the most since you get 8 measurements. I found they loose from 1/8" to 1/2" off each mass measurement. This comes from scoring pen raised bucks before and after velvet sheds. What is also not factored in will be when you kill the deer. Early season they will have a bit more mass than after rut. They will continually rub trees and that shrink the mass measurement at those locations that they rub with. Some bucks are more aggressive at rubbing or sign posting than others.
Originally Posted by snake oil
Probably about one percent. So if the buck has 30" of mass hard maybe 33" in velvet.

3" is 10% off of your example not 1%.
Posted By: Klinker

Re: How to judge antler size in velvet? - 08/15/20 01:36 PM

That's "new math", as my Dad used to say.
Posted By: tlk

Re: How to judge antler size in velvet? - 08/15/20 02:04 PM

Our experience is 1-2% in mass. Something we have noticed in our pictures is that the time right after they have shed the horns look smaller than they do few weeks later. Not sure if that has to do with the horns taking a little time to fully harden After shedding velvet.
Posted By: Txhunter65

Re: How to judge antler size in velvet? - 08/15/20 02:22 PM

Fuzzy math!!!!
Posted By: snake oil

Re: How to judge antler size in velvet? - 08/15/20 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by stxranchman
I use 2% to 3% off of the final score. It really depends on the buck. Mass is where they loose the most since you get 8 measurements. I found they loose from 1/8" to 1/2" off each mass measurement. This comes from scoring pen raised bucks before and after velvet sheds. What is also not factored in will be when you kill the deer. Early season they will have a bit more mass than after rut. They will continually rub trees and that shrink the mass measurement at those locations that they rub with. Some bucks are more aggressive at rubbing or sign posting than others.
Originally Posted by snake oil
Probably about one percent. So if the buck has 30" of mass hard maybe 33" in velvet.

3" is 10% off of your example not 1%.

Originally Posted by Txhunter65
Fuzzy math!!!!


Wow and math is my strong suit hammer
Posted By: stxranchman

Re: How to judge antler size in velvet? - 08/15/20 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by snake oil
Originally Posted by stxranchman
I use 2% to 3% off of the final score. It really depends on the buck. Mass is where they loose the most since you get 8 measurements. I found they loose from 1/8" to 1/2" off each mass measurement. This comes from scoring pen raised bucks before and after velvet sheds. What is also not factored in will be when you kill the deer. Early season they will have a bit more mass than after rut. They will continually rub trees and that shrink the mass measurement at those locations that they rub with. Some bucks are more aggressive at rubbing or sign posting than others.
Originally Posted by snake oil
Probably about one percent. So if the buck has 30" of mass hard maybe 33" in velvet.

3" is 10% off of your example not 1%.

Originally Posted by Txhunter65
Fuzzy math!!!!


Wow and math is my strong suit hammer

bs You can score deer very well...so I am blaming the slip up on "the before your morning coffee" excuse for your reply...and edit grin
Posted By: tlk

Re: How to judge antler size in velvet? - 08/16/20 02:04 AM

In velvet. Out of velvet.
Low fence.



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Posted By: Hudbone

Re: How to judge antler size in velvet? - 08/16/20 02:05 AM

Just not sure how anyone would be smart enuff to really know.
Posted By: freerange

Re: How to judge antler size in velvet? - 08/16/20 02:14 AM

Beautiful beautiful deer tlk. Is that beam turned down or is that a drop?
HUD I’m not that smart either—I never tried to figure it out, I just guesstimate some loss then wait for hard antler.
Posted By: stxranchman

Re: How to judge antler size in velvet? - 08/16/20 02:21 AM

Originally Posted by Hudbone
Just not sure how anyone would be smart enuff to really know.

From people with deer pens that dart bucks in Sept to sell or move in as a breeder. You dart them in early Sept in velvet and then when you pick up the sheds your remeasure them again. That is where my 2%-3% off the total score comes from. It was not a guess but actual numbers. Every deer is different though. A lot depends on the webbing on the beams/points and how close the points are together.
Posted By: tlk

Re: How to judge antler size in velvet? - 08/16/20 02:43 AM

Originally Posted by freerange
Beautiful beautiful deer tlk. Is that beam turned down or is that a drop?
HUD I’m not that smart either—I never tried to figure it out, I just guesstimate some loss then wait for hard antler.


We thought it was a drop but once on the ground we decided a turned down beam
Posted By: tlk

Re: How to judge antler size in velvet? - 08/16/20 02:46 AM

[Here he was the previous year. He always had something going on for the 4 years we watched him

Named him Crabby because his left beam always had crazy stuff going on


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Posted By: stxranchman

Re: How to judge antler size in velvet? - 08/16/20 03:10 AM

Originally Posted by tlk
Originally Posted by freerange
Beautiful beautiful deer tlk. Is that beam turned down or is that a drop?
HUD I’m not that smart either—I never tried to figure it out, I just guesstimate some loss then wait for hard antler.


We thought it was a drop but once on the ground we decided a turned down beam

How did that effect his final score based off the original gross and net score you had on him?
Posted By: tlk

Re: How to judge antler size in velvet? - 08/16/20 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by stxranchman
Originally Posted by tlk
Originally Posted by freerange
Beautiful beautiful deer tlk. Is that beam turned down or is that a drop?
HUD I’m not that smart either—I never tried to figure it out, I just guesstimate some loss then wait for hard antler.


We thought it was a drop but once on the ground we decided a turned down beam

How did that effect his final score based off the original gross and net score you had on him?


Not sure. The hunter who took him was having him officially scored and I have not seen the sheet yet. I will get it from him and try to post
Posted By: Hudbone

Re: How to judge antler size in velvet? - 08/16/20 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by stxranchman
Originally Posted by Hudbone
Just not sure how anyone would be smart enuff to really know.

From people with deer pens that dart bucks in Sept to sell or move in as a breeder. You dart them in early Sept in velvet and then when you pick up the sheds your remeasure them again. That is where my 2%-3% off the total score comes from. It was not a guess but actual numbers. Every deer is different though. A lot depends on the webbing on the beams/points and how close the points are together.


Makes sense.
Posted By: VMike

Re: How to judge antler size in velvet? - 08/17/20 03:14 PM

Thank you all for the replies.
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