Has deer hunting evolved for the better or worse?

My views on how we are quickly losing the knowledge and skill to truly hunt whitetails is fairly well known in these forums. And while some view it as being judgmental, I prefer to see hunting as becoming a lost art where success is no longer dependent on extensive knowledge and skill.

As I noted in another thread, I have collected books on hunting over the years and have greatly enjoying taking what I have learned from them to be successful in the deer woods. Most were written long before the days of food plots and feeders, when you would expect to go home empty handed if you didn't have a strategy or plan that was based on your understanding of deer and deer behaviors.

Here's an excerpt taken from one of these books that was released back in 1968...

"Along the general travel routes there will be resting and bedding grounds. Although a deer may lie down and rest in a fairly open place, this is the rare exception. I have never moved a deer that was lying down in the open on a trail. More than once, I have seen deer not more than ten feet from a trail, but always hidden in the brush. Deer seem partial to low ridges just off the main deer runway. When lying on some small rise the animal can take off almost like a projectile, and will usually depart from its bed the way its shoulders are pointed. All too often the animal will have seen, scented, or heard the hunter first unless the latter has been very cautious in his approach."

So then, how do you view the evolution of our sport and what is now required to make it more likely to fill an ice chest?

Having your own land lends to have more flexibility with your approach / tactics for hunting it. When you have multiple guns on a property via lease agreements, you don't always have the luxury of just finding ideal places that you want to hunt and set up on them. Consideration of location of other hunters, limited hunting spots per hunter, etc. all play roles. There are varying degrees of knowledge on the lease I'm on. Some just get in the blind 30 minutes before the feeder throw and leave an hour later if nothing shows, regardless of conditions. Some proactively watch moon phases and related weather events that lend to "better" deer movement tendencies, etc. Your best friend is time in the stand and being observant of deer movement patterns that they can relate to for future hunts. Not everyone is hard core with their approach and that's OK too. Their time, their dime....................just don't come blazing through my area while I'm hunting.

That guy never hunted in West Texas.

And yes, in my opinion deer hunting has evolved for the better if for no other reason than the advances in deer management techniques and the overall better quality of the herd.

No question we've gotten better in managing and growing healthy deer. However, some might say that in certain circles, it's become more like ranching and raising livestock than hunting wild game.

Better if you have the money or resources to participate, worse if you don't.

Some justify that by saying deer have always been a cash crop. I'm old enough to know that isn't the case.

It is what we are able and willing to put into it for success.

You know, that maybe wasn't an accurate statement on my part. Seems like it was less about horns and more about sticking one or two skinny deer in the freezer. If that is your objective you can still do it on the cheap in a national forest or type 2 land. Its like a lot of everything else these days, quality is higher but the higher the quality the higher the cost.

I can see both positive and negative. We know more about deer, their behaviors, and how they react to hunter pressure. But this knowledge is of little value when the strategy has become no more than waiting for something to show up and eat. However, it's an approach that makes it much easier for kids and other newcomers to put something in an ice chest. We also have some great tools and technologies that have made the deer woods more safe and productive.

My buddy says deer hunting in Texas is a beer drinking sport. He grew up hunting in Alaska. Only one in our camp that went out hunting while it was raining. Didn’t bother him and he killed two deer. I think many of us enjoy the whole experience of camp and friends. Hunting is just “extra” enjoyment

IMO deer hunting has gotten worse and the main reason is just information. Back in the 80s and early 90s when I was a younger hunter just seeing a buck was enough to get excited. Then with the internet and the constant sharing of information we got to see a lot more pictures of deer and we became all about boone and crocket and measuring the antlers and aging the deer and let's take a urine sample before we decide whether or not to shoot it. I realize that a lot of this was in the name of management but when we started evaluating deer to the nth degree something was lost.

I may be the only one in this camp but I long for the days when an 8 point was a big deal and any buck made a hunt one to remember.

Bankwalker hit the nail on the head IMO.

Alot of good points made here. Personally I do believe hunting and especially deer hunting has evolved into more of a competition. A competition with the focus driven around inches instead of skill. So your original point Texas Dan holds merit in my book.

Deer hunting HAS EVOLVED! For the better or worse depends on what you value as a successful hunt. Some value is inches and points on the board, others merely value the time in the field, comrodery amongst friends, a freezer full of meat, etc...

I agree with Bankwalker. I grew up hunting public land where the mere sight of a deer was a pleasure and at times a rarity. For someone to drag an 8 pnt to camp was a celebration and the known whereabouts of a 10 pnt+ was top secret only spoken in tongues at public meets. Lol. This was also a time when the how of hunting was mostly past down by the older generation. Taught by those that have the winters under thier belt to those that desire. The days of sitting in grandpa's lap to stay warm on a cold December day listening to all the wisdom they had to pass and soaking in all of the experience afield had to offer and the ramifications of a missed shot was a cut shirt tail and a notch in the ole pride. All for good fun of course. Many Texas Dan to this day don't know the code of the woods if one is lost to fire three shots with 10 seconds between shots to signal to others help. The purity that came from such fair chase was and still is like no other. I have said many times some of the does I've killed on public land hold more value due to the effort, strategy and sheer hours spent afield than anything hanging on the wall. This I believe is where a large majority of the common man lies. In the fair chase/only accessable hunting grounds allowed group. Wether it's 2000 acres of public land where baiting is not allowed or the family farm private lands of a few acres. We hunt where we can and do so with the means available.

On the other end of the spectrum there are those that choose invest dollars in thier chosen sport. These individuals accumulate all the lastest gear and access to hunting real estate. Wether it's day leases or purchasing land specifically for the purpose of hunting. There is an investment of dollars to thier pursuit of happiness. This group gets alot of frowns from the group stated above. I won't get into a dollars debate cause not every dollar comes without sacrifice. This group does commonly fall in the group that has the means to real estate, food plots and many other aids to increase thier chances of an empty cartridge at the end of a hunt. While on the outside it would seem all this increased efforts to put the odds in ones favor might seem lazy or cheating to some or yes even the inability to hunt as the Indians did for generations. Some may not have the time to spend afield to learn the land and thier quarry. My current occupation takes me away so much I am limited in time to spend in my chosen public river bottoms to stay in the know so to speak of where the current travel corridors are and bedding areas. Some of these trails are generally always still in use to some degree but hunting pressure along with other outside factors certainly causes some adjustments on the local population. This is were the know you speak of that gives ones ability to read the sign and closes the deal. While the ability is there the sheer time is not.

Note I did not say an investment of time in either camp. Both can rack up endless hours of time, sweat and tears.

Furthermore the evolution of the hunting industry has driven way more sportsman and sportswomen afield. This I believe is based around opportunity and information. The opportunity for those to capitalize on the sport and the ease of access to information on how.

I guess to sum it up there are many different groups in the hunting community, although I hope all groups can come together under the same common goal. We now have a better scientific understanding of deer and other species to help manage and evolve to be better stewards of the land.

Good post.

As current owners of the privilege to hunt, we have a responsibility to ensure the longitivity of the sport by protecting the knowledge and values that were passed down to us. Hunting is part of our culture as a state and a nation. We should do our best to see the privilege is not lost as a result of our actions.

Brian couldn't have said it any better.

Over the years I have seen several changes and BRIAN mentioned many of them.

I see that hunting has changed... I can see both sides of the argument that we have lost touch with our traditional roots, and that we have more science and data and technology to help us out.

Being management minded I have hunted MLD lands for the last 20 years. That doesn’t mean that I have lost touch with my traditional hunting roots. That means if I need to kill 32 does to get my herd numbers correct, then my hunting techniques will certainly have to adapt to what my goals are.

I long for the days, like mentioned, where we got together and celebrated hunting by going to the land you hunted, be it public or private, and just getting outside. We hauled our own water in or found it; we had no electricity, and cooked everything on an open fire. We hunted together as a family and many generations were in camp. Those were the best parts of hunting. Not the kill, which was icing on the cake.

Today, the availability of land is the problem. They’re not making any more. So if you’re not luck enough to own a place, you have to lease. A lot of the lands you find in Texas are High-Fenced properties. That doesn’t mean you’re a bad person to hunt it. That’s the place you chose, that’s YOUR personal choice. With the size of available land to hunt, sometimes you can’t spot and stalk, you may be limited to hunting a stand location.

I truly believe no matter how you choose to hunt, be it low fence or high fence, as long as it is legal, drive on. We should take care of each other and not bash someone for wanting to shoot a 2 year old 6 point that barely makes AR’s. A trophy is in the eye of the beholder.

Traditional hunters, who hunt with a bow or a muzzle loader, want to bash the rifle hunter. It’s a personal choice. With technology, a bow or a muzzle loader, are much more capable than the stick and string of the long bow, or the smooth bore of the muzzle loader of the past. So you’re not really hunting traditional if you think about it. The bows of today can out shoot the long bows of yesterday. The new muzzle loaders will out shoot the 30-30 of yesterday.

In the end it doesn’t matter if you shoot a 2 year old 6 point, or a 7 year old mainframe 12, high fence or low fence. Bow, muzzle loader, or rifle. PETA and other animal rights activist want to take that right away from you. Division is their first goal. To get us to fight each other about the sport we love. The have vs. the have not's. Embrace the sport itself. The right to get out and follow in the footsteps of our fore fathers. We need to embrace every legal aspect of the sport and get away from the bashing and putting down of others like us.

So yeah, hunting has changed. Not for the better or worse, yet.

What he said.

Has hunting changed? Or has how we individually perceive it changed? New hunters still get excited at the sight of a buck or even a deer and don't give a chit about inches of antler, I think some of yal are comingling your changes as a hunter with hunting in general.

As far as I can remember we have always had feeders, grated I started hunting in the 90's. However my grandfather may have sat in a tree instead of a blind, he still baited deer with corn.

The price of leasing land to hunt has as much to do with the way that we hunt as anything does.

Excellent comments being shared here. And it's good to see so many recognizing that hunter division is one of our greatest threats.

You tell it brother

I say yes it has evolved for the better for all of us. Hunter and the deer herds. No mater if you hunt for meat, a trophy, low fence or high fence. We know so much more about deer today than ever before. Yes sometimes certain things are taken a little to far, but that's ok too. I can remember when I first started hunting with my dad when I was 6-7 years old and while we saw a few deer at our Llano lease, they were small body, small horn, and some days scarce.. Fast forward all the years we have been hunting and learning how to take care of the deer in your area and you can see the difference by far and how bigger and healthier the deer are and how many more numbers there are even in places that once had no deer or a few... I hope it continues this way so OUR kids and their kids can enjoy the sport too...

Lots of good info so far.

In my opinion, deer hunting has got easier.

Back in the 60's, we didn't actually see a lot deer, but you knew they were there when you heard them when they would blow and go!
There was a lot of pressure on them as they were hunted year around by folks who only saw them as food, not a seasonal indulgence.
To be successful, there was a lot of scouting, setup, etc. required.
Those first 5 gallon feeders cans with a simple wind vane that dropped corn was the bomb!

Today, they are almost pests.
It's pretty easy to see 20 deer a day now while driving around the ranch.
8pt eating wife's jalapenos in front yard is fairly common.
They may or may not run off when you jump them.
I guess they don't perceive me as a threat as most of the time they look up, then go back to whatever they were doing.
The feeders going off at dusk/dawn or whatever preset time makes them more predictable.

Lots of people trading their agricultural exemption for a wildlife exemption in my area.
Pluses are lots more feeding of wildlife so we have more!

As suburbia moves closer and closer and spreads into the sticks, there are more people feeding in their backyard.
This feeds the deer but makes them less wary of people.

They do get wary during season but I still see a bunch.

It's got better IMO.

Better management practices have increased numbers and quality.

It's really up to the hunter to decide the type of experience they seek. Sometimes cost and time factors will make the decision for you. Part of your life journey that we all go through.

Social media has been more of a negative than positive IMO. Brings out buck envy, jealousy, my method is really hunting and yours is not etc......

if deer hunting has gotten so much easier explain why we have only had a couple bucks taken and posted on here in the first 2 weeks of the season?

Wonder the same thing myself, but this year it seems the forum is still super slow with bow season open and even pre season age/score photos etc. seemed to be way down. I think either people just aren't sharing them or they are only sharing them with a select few.

well I've noticed at multiple places the mature bucks aren't using feeders hardly ever so less pics of them but plenty of the young deer. I guess that can be blamed on multiple yrs of good rains.

there is a Multi-part answer to this question:


Whitetail deer, at least in Texas, is not a hard animal to kill. They never have been. Numbers back when are no where near what they are today in most areas but killing a whitetail has never been much of a challenge. all this talk about woodsmanship and "truly hunting" a whitetail sounds good when written out but fact is if you can be quiet and watch a trail or field odds are at some point in time you are going to get a shot. They are not bighorn sheep, mountain goats or grizzly bear and we need to face facts that there plentiful and easy to find by design. I've not hunted Carmen Mountains or Coues deer so i'm not speaking for them although the elk hunters I know in Arizona say they are easy to knock off. Baiting using a Automated feeder while hunting out of a box blind loses its appeal just like hunting them over a planted field or other food source...its not a "if" but "when" majority of the time. I can't fault the guy using a corn feeder no more than I can fault a guy hunting over a soybean or oat field. this is just the nature of whitetail hunting in most areas. I've been privileged to hunt all over the state on places where you may or may not see a deer, on places where you expect to see deer but maybe not a shooter and on places where you were all but guaranteed to see a mature shooter buck. Personally, just like when fishing, I like to spend my time on good properties that offer a higher chance for success.

I say by and large, the biggest success of modern times is the advances we have made in herd management and understanding of deer. Places that held few to no mature bucks I hunted 15 years ago now have good to great deer taken off them every year, in large part to management practices. I am much happier seeing 5-6 different bucks per hunt rather than 5-6 different bucks per season. People have a better understand of the relationship between livestock and wildlife and due to changes in that aspect the wildlife has blossomed in areas it was devoid of a decade or two ago.


What I hate about hunting is the competition it has become. I don't miss the days of "drag any buck to camp" but we have swung to the far end of the pendulum and are not truly happy with anything because of score and what goes on with social media and the like. We have created a almost impossible standard to meet (much like Playboy did with women ) that we compare everything we kill to what we see in print or digital media. I cannot stand the "well I know he's not the biggest deer in the woods, but he's a trophy to me" comments that you see in every photo. Do you justify your wife's looks or your kids intelligence in the same way? I sure hope not, and we shouldn't do it with the game we kill.

Another thing I think we have lost, at lease regionally, is truly wild places to hunt. Because of many factors ( subdivision of property, utilizing previously vacant property, Oil & Gas development, Pay to Play game ranches ) this has really put a damper on places where you can truly feel lost. I am privileged to hunt many fine properties but I don't know if I can say that even one of them is truly "wild".

The South Texas hunting mystique has ended. simply too many people. West texas is going the same route due to energy exploration and Wind Farms. I hunt a large, large ranch in the trans Pecos and although its big country I don't consider it wild. Just too many signs of mans presence on it. Hill Country in a lot of areas is just small parcels where we are picking off animals as they move over what we are allowed to step foot on.

That, to me is the saddest part of all this. Of course, it has a trickle down effect to knowledge and skills. How are we supposed to teach are kids how to hunt in general ( todays hunter, in most instances, knows how to sit over a corn feeder and that's about it ) if they are restricted to small parcels of land or such restrictive harvest methods that they will never get the chance to learn? I only have the skills I possess because I was allowed to run unobstructed on medium to large parcels of land as a kid and young adult.


Good post subject but one that will have subjective answers depending on the responder.....imo its a very multi-faceted topic

We could be just one major CWD outbreak away from a season or more when those skills will come in handy.

It is better and worse. The improved areas are definitely the wealth of knowledge the internet affords. For example, I just bought a bow. Without sites such as this I may not know the poundage needed to have a clean kill with broadheads. Communication is easier among like-minded people. CWD is more widely known about. Gear can be purchased online without cutting out a kidney to pay for it. The cons-smart phones distracting some from their surroundings, impatience, and the insane prices for leases. Even if you get a lease, it usually will be just sitting over a feeder, playing on your phone and waiting for the easy kill. Nothing wrong with that if that's what youre into, but seems like it doesn't afford the hunter the full experience of what nature has to offer

I think this addresses one of the issues that's been brought up. The more time we spend on this and other forums the less likely we are to shoot or share pics of 2-3 yr old deer. As an example, I sat with my daughter in a pop up blind opening weekend and had 7 bucks and 1 doe within 40 yds of us all at the same time. There were 2-3 8 pts and a couple of 6's but nothing over 3 yrs old. I run 2 cameras at this location and knew there were at least 4 mature bucks hitting this feeder over the last couple of months. As a result neither of us was real excited about what we saw and never felt tempted to let the crossbow fly. If we had been back in the 70's and 80's when I grew up hunting, any one of those 8's would've been dead and I would've been thrilled with my hunt.

I had a spike opening morning come in at 45 yards. Being that he is legal and I've never killed a deer with my crossbow, I was definitely thinking of taking the shot when he got closer. However, when he came up the trail he apparently didn't like what he saw. I had the crossbow about halfway up when he stopped on the trail. We both froze, although he never really stared at me. For the next 15-20 minutes, he stood in the exact same spot, chewing his cud, licking his flank, and glancing at me every once in a while. I held the crossbow at half-mast the whole time, heart beating quite fast. I tried not to stare directly at him and used only my peripheral vision to see what else might be going on around me/him. At one point I was able to raise the rangefinder and get a better look at his headgear. He did have a really low browtine on one side but would have been a legal 3pt. Finally, he decided he didn't like it and slipped back into the brush.

After it was over, I thought more about it and decided I likely would not have shot him, but it was a great, fun encounter even though it wasn't a 160" monster. I would have been proud to load him in the truck if I had taken him.

Yes, it is easy to kill deer. We have more deer than we can shake a stick at despite trying to reduce our doe numbers as much as possible. But for me it is still exciting to hunt. Don't let others define what you should or shouldn't enjoy. IF things change, work to find other aspects that bring value to your time in the outdoors. Watch the birds, varmints, other critters, study the plants, look at rock formations, watch the clouds. The outdoors is still just as enjoyable as it ever was.

For those of you that think hunting should be hard work, it still can be. Did you hike 4-6 hours, glassing, finding/stalking your buck? Or did you drive a tractor for 1/2 a day, build fence, install and fill a feeder, build a blind? Plenty of hard work in both.

Respect and enjoy your efforts and their rewards.

I don't know...I read some of these posts and honestly don't get it. Most make it seem like since hunting is better, the herds are better, the deer are bigger, the weapons are better, and hunting is "easier" that it isn't as good.

I can say that I have hunted places that you might see 10 deer if you hunted every weekend from October through January and hunted a single stand that you might see 50-60 deer out of. I have hunted the wide open country of West Texas and the thick cover of East Texas. I have hunted out of state over feeders, without feeders and in places that you could put up a feeder but the deer wouldn't pay any attention to it. I have stalked deer with a bow, with a rifle and sat in a blind.

Hunting is what you make it. I don't blame the internet for making hunting worse or better, I don't blame tv shows for making it all about the B&C score...I blame the people that let those things change their view of it.

I have watched someone I respect greatly shoot a 190" ten pointer with his bow and turn around two weeks later and shoot a 122" eight pointer at another ranch and be dang near as proud of the eight as he was the 10. He is 64 years old and has been hunting since he was 8. He has it figured out...

Hunting can be as easy or as hard as you want to make it. If you want the generation you are raising and mentoring to be excited about a 1.5yo four pointer, have at it. If you want them to shoot a 3yo ten pointer, by all means do it. Be excited about it if they do and make them excited for it.

If you don't like TC's, don't use them. If you like them, use them.

I do believe that we have evolved for the better simply because we have more opportunities, more tools, more weapons, great seasons, better herds, better antlers, and more comforts.

One thing I will agree with that has changed for the worst is all the judgment about methods and means. I don't hunt the same way I used too, I don't hunt out of the same blinds or trees that I used too, but I sure wouldn't want to demean someone else because they do it different.

Easy...people are more selective and the big boys aren't moving much right now.


Most areas of Texas have had an exceptional rainfall, good last few years and should have some good deer running around. With the green stuff on the ground, the deer don't have to move as far and corn isn't important. With a bow, it is harder to move away from the feeders and hunt trails and green stuff, so success rate is going to be down for a bit.

You just proved my point. Its not easier especially in wet yrs when there is plenty to eat.

I like seeing animals, and there are like 10X the number of deer in Texas as there were 50 years ago, so I'm liking the direction it's going.

Plus, even though a lot of places are HF and looking to make money, it's becoming an over-supplied market and prices are coming down. You can shoot some really nice management bucks for pretty low dollar these days.

Plus, Davy Crockett introduced Antler Restrictions, and we all owe him a great debt.

That is all.

In many areas, it is easier now than it was 20, 30 or 40 years ago. This year just might not be as easy as last year or 5 years ago.

The good ol days are today. More deer then ever before and in greater concentrations. Even our National Forrest numbers have expanded x fold.

Social media is a revolving yet evolving circle. This board is a prefect example. People use to freely and without prejudice post animals all the time. Then a few I'm better then you started poking. They mocked animals and hunts. Several have been banned for it, but the subtle shots still continue... if it's not a HF comment it's a how much that cost comment, or that's $$$$ lease etc.

From an evolution standpoint of social media, alot of people who use to post on boards/forums in general now only share pic via instragram, text etc because they can control the audience. Same aspect we as a consumer of content can control more of what we want to target media wise also.

You are comparing a minute time frame. Last year ended what many would refer to as the last of the drought babies. So going forward most 6.5 or younger deer came from high recruitment years.

But even in the height of the last drought deer numbers still exceeded 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's

Or we could not drink the kool-aid and keep planning on hunting like we have been doing

The ease in which you can kill a deer in East Texas on Opening Weekend is far different than what you can expect a month later. By the time December rolls around, a lot of guys have turned their attention to more productive pursuits than watching a feeder.

I remember reading that during any given year, 90% of the deer harvest happens during the first two weeks of the season. They catch on rather quickly that folks be after them.

A lot of it is because the rut is on around the first of season brining deer around that would otherwise be hidden or nocturnal.

It's been about 15 years since I have hunted the piney woods but we would always see the most bucks mid October thru the first two weeks of November, but on good properties we saw bucks all thru season

Couldn’t agree more, and I’ve been vocal about that here in the past. I hunt by the idea that, If I like him, I’ll shoot him. Score doesn’t matter to me, neither does age. If a deer makes my heart race, then that’s all I ask. That being said, young small deer don’t make my heart race in the same way that a older buck does.

I may be the anti-hero but I don't care to go back to the days when a basket racked 8 point was a big deal and you only saw a handful of racked bucks a season.

I grew up hunting in Mississippi, where baiting has never been allowed (but hunting with dogs is so go figure). I miss those days of stalking...of knowing game trails and buck scrapes. Scouting for bedding areas or looking for mulberry/honeysuckle 'cause its what the ole timers told you.

It's strange hunting in Texas now...tactics I used growing up seem N/A at least where I hunt. A few years back I went back to Miss to hunt on a Federal refuge. I later told the game warden that I didn't take a shot at a super nice buck because he was in a full sprint, literally breaking limbs through the woods after a doe. I yelled at the buck... but he never broke stride.

The warden laughed and said "you've been in Texas too long, where y'alls sole focus seems to be shot placement and all from 100 yards away!!! Growing up here, did you ever shoot a buck standing still?!? I don't think so..."

That conversation did make me reflect how things have changed and the previous replies are spot on, its way too analytical these days. I guess that's why it feels so good hunting on public land....no corn, no camera, no blind, no problem. That should be on a T-shirt! :-)

Hunting is what you make of it. Several years ago I hunted public land in Oklahoma. Spent days scouting , visited with local landowners, and especially picked the brains of local coonhunters who see every buck in the area. Over several days I located two nice bucks, determined the core area for each, found the bedding areas, trails to oak ridges, where bow hunters were traveling and hunting in those core areas, found both buck's rub/scrape lines, and located escape trail funnels out of the bedding areas. It was just like in the old books I have read. I learned those bucks every move for both weekday and weekend pressure days. Opening morning of primitive season I knew like clockwork a bowhunter would push my buck off it's bedding area as he did every Saturday morning. On an escape trail I confidently put a round ball in the neck of my best Deer to date. Be it public or private, it just takes time in the woods. Something most hunters today either don't have or don't have the patience for in today's rat race world. But the old style experience is still out there if you want it. Deer hunting has not evolved. People have.

I agree 100%. Also the ability to go hunting at a reasonable cost is also pushing people away.

When landowners want thousands of dollars to lease the land, it reduces the pool of hunters. People ask why is hunting declining, its due to costs and other hunters.

Ive seen a "B&C" only hunter scold a father who took his 10 year out to kill his first buck. What was wrong with his first deer? It didnt score 150 or up.

Fellow hunters can be our own worst enemy. People want to degrade anyone. Ive even overheard people at bass pro make fun of a young man for looking at crossbows.

Worse