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Hanging/aging deer meat question

Posted By: Dude Briggs

Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/08/11 04:22 PM

I shot a doe on Saturday which was a nice cool morning. My buddy recomended I hang it in a tree for as long as I could to age the meat. I hung it in a deer bag all day Saturday, with the temperature getting up around 65-70 degrees but it was in the shade and it was quite windy so Im pretty sure it was OK that day. Saturday nite was much warmer than I thought it would be, staying around 65 degrees. Sunday morning was around 65-70 and I thought it was going to storm so I moved it into my shop, hung it and placed ice bags inside the deer bag with it to try to keep it cool. Im not sure how but somehow a fly got to the tips of the front shoulders and the tip of the neck. I trimmed off all the meat and then some from the spots where I saw the fly eggs. I put it into a cooler Monday morning on ice and took it to the processor Monday evening. So my question is since I dont have any experience with hanging meat like this has anybody done it like this and should my meat be safe to eat? Everytime I felt the meat(thru the deer bag anyways) it felt cool to the touch.

Posted By: Stompy

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/08/11 04:26 PM

I'm not sure how to answer your question but it seems to me that's a long time to have it out in that temp. Normally for me, if it's that warm, I quarter it and get it on ice asap. One of my guys shot one here Sat afternoon and after gutting it, we shoved 2 bags of ice in it and he got it to the processer first thing Sunday morning.

I have never had one out that long that's why I can't answer your question. Aging the meat can be good but it's done in a cold enviroment.

Posted By: Czechaholic

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/08/11 04:29 PM

I always bring mine to camp after I kill it, quarter it up and put it in coolers on ice right away. No need to have to worry about it anymore doing it that way!! Seems to be a long time for it to hang there to me in that temp.

Posted By: LandPirate

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/08/11 04:33 PM

Don't hang 'em unless it's under 45 degrees. If it's over 45 then you need to quarter the deer and put it on ice. I age my deer on ice for 3-5 days. Drain the water and add ice daily. This will bleed out the meat. No gamey flavor and a nice pink color.

I'm not sure I'd want to eat a deer that hung for several days in 60-70 degree temps. That's too warm.

Posted By: Dude Briggs

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/08/11 04:36 PM

It hung for 2 days, and the second day I put several bags of ice in the deer bag with it.

Posted By: Czechaholic

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/08/11 04:37 PM

Originally Posted By: LandPirate
I age my deer on ice for 3-5 days. Drain the water and add ice daily. This will bleed out the meat. No gamey flavor and a nice pink color.




This is a good point!!! I do the same!

Posted By: Stompy

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/08/11 04:38 PM

Usually a processer can tell if it's gone bad. Did it stink?

Posted By: bjankowski

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/08/11 04:42 PM

A quick an easy way is to buy a cheap refrigerator and put in some racks and you can quarter up your venison and hang it for a week or so. Put in a pan on the bottom that will catch the blood and drain daily. I travel a lot and using the ice chest method with draining it daily is not an option for me. And if I don’t get home in a couple of weeks the meat will keep.
There are tons of cheap refrigerators on Craig’s list daily.

Posted By: TurkeyHunter

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/08/11 04:42 PM

Originally Posted By: LandPirate

I'm not sure I'd want to eat a deer that hung for several days in 60-70 degree temps. That's too warm.


And in a bag as well.



Posted By: Dude Briggs

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/08/11 04:55 PM

Originally Posted By: TurkeyHunter
Originally Posted By: LandPirate

I'm not sure I'd want to eat a deer that hung for several days in 60-70 degree temps. That's too warm.


And in a bag as well.



LOL, its not like a trash bag or something like that. Its a cloth mesh bag with small holes. Its designed to let it breathe but keep flies off it.

Posted By: Dude Briggs

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/08/11 04:56 PM

Originally Posted By: Stompy
Usually a processer can tell if it's gone bad. Did it stink?


Not at all. I think it's more of a northern thing to do it that way. Im going to eat it and try. Ive always put em straight on ice myself, I was just wondering if anybody on here had experience with this sort of thing

Posted By: TurkeyHunter

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/08/11 05:26 PM

Hanging it is a great idea. Just needs to be cold outside. That's why it's pretty common up North. We used to do it in Arkansas all the time.

Now I understand the bag thing.....a specific deer bag.

Posted By: spoons

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/08/11 06:13 PM

I think your border-line..If you skinned the deer before hanging it, that will be better... skin holds in heat longer...I think for me I would be okay if I were to make Klobase (sausage link) or ground meats which will be cooked fully. If you cook your steaks like me on grill and rare? I would be a little scared... I know a guy who dry (walk in refrigerator) ages his 3 weeks! Buttt he got real sick from a bad one few yrs ago after 30 yrs of doing this...

Good luck!

Posted By: Stump_jumper

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/08/11 06:23 PM

Originally Posted By: LandPirate
Don't hang 'em unless it's under 45 degrees. If it's over 45 then you need to quarter the deer and put it on ice. I age my deer on ice for 3-5 days. Drain the water and add ice daily. This will bleed out the meat. No gamey flavor and a nice pink color.

I'm not sure I'd want to eat a deer that hung for several days in 60-70 degree temps. That's too warm.


I agree with number 100%. I hunt with some guys that think anything between 50 & 65 is OK as long as they keep the flies off. I argue with them all the time that it is not. If flies are active it is not cold enough to hang a deer. I disagree strongly with part 2. I never soak any red meat. When you do you are removing the moisture and flavor in the meat. I keep the water out of my chest by leaving the drain plug open and ice chest tilted to drain. I do believe in aging in a cold environment.

Posted By: Stonewall

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/08/11 06:31 PM

Originally Posted By: LandPirate
Don't hang 'em unless it's under 45 degrees. If it's over 45 then you need to quarter the deer and put it on ice. I age my deer on ice for 3-5 days. Drain the water and add ice daily. This will bleed out the meat. No gamey flavor and a nice pink color.

I'm not sure I'd want to eat a deer that hung for several days in 60-70 degree temps. That's too warm.


I agree with Land Pirate. I skin and de-bone my meat (deer/hogs) and ice and drain for 3-5 days. Everyone loves my meat bc it doesn't taste gamey at all.
But, since you are taking it to a processor, you will probably get your loins and back straps and maybe your hams if you wanted them whole, otherwise your rotten deer is getting ground up and mixed with all of the other deer that are brought in. This is exactly why I process my meat myself!

Posted By: LockhartHunter

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/08/11 06:33 PM

Originally Posted By: LandPirate
Don't hang 'em unless it's under 45 degrees. If it's over 45 then you need to quarter the deer and put it on ice. I age my deer on ice for 3-5 days. Drain the water and add ice daily. This will bleed out the meat. No gamey flavor and a nice pink color.

I'm not sure I'd want to eat a deer that hung for several days in 60-70 degree temps. That's too warm.


X2 I do the exact same thing. Minumum 3 days on ice, draining bloody water and adding ice. My deer never have a gamey taste. Meat maybe fine but I wouldn't trust it.

Posted By: Stump_jumper

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/08/11 06:34 PM

Mine does not taste gamey either. A hog is Ok soaked in water just not any red meat.

Posted By: LockhartHunter

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/08/11 06:35 PM

Originally Posted By: bjankowski
A quick an easy way is to buy a cheap refrigerator and put in some racks and you can quarter up your venison and hang it for a week or so. Put in a pan on the bottom that will catch the blood and drain daily. I travel a lot and using the ice chest method with draining it daily is not an option for me. And if I don’t get home in a couple of weeks the meat will keep.
There are tons of cheap refrigerators on Craig’s list daily.


Good idea.

Posted By: TurkeyHunter

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/08/11 06:36 PM

Originally Posted By: StoneWall
Originally Posted By: LandPirate
Don't hang 'em unless it's under 45 degrees. If it's over 45 then you need to quarter the deer and put it on ice. I age my deer on ice for 3-5 days. Drain the water and add ice daily. This will bleed out the meat. No gamey flavor and a nice pink color.

I'm not sure I'd want to eat a deer that hung for several days in 60-70 degree temps. That's too warm.


I agree with Land Pirate. I skin and de-bone my meat (deer/hogs) and ice and drain for 3-5 days. Everyone loves my meat bc it doesn't taste gamey at all.
But, since you are taking it to a processor, you will probably get your loins and back straps and maybe your hams if you wanted them whole, otherwise your rotten deer is getting ground up and mixed with all of the other deer that are brought in. This is exactly why I process my meat myself!






Posted By: Czechaholic

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/08/11 06:43 PM

Originally Posted By: StoneWall
otherwise your rotten deer is getting ground up and mixed with all of the other deer that are brought in. This is exactly why I process my meat myself!




Exactly!! This is why i process all mine myself as well!!!

Posted By: skinnerback

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/08/11 07:03 PM

Land Pirate is right, only hang them if it's under 45 degrees. I always rinse well & quarter mine up after the kill & pack well in ice, layer of ice...layer of meat...layer of ice etc. But, I never ever let my meat sit & soak in the ice water, (used to do it this way). The ice just leeched that blood out of the meat, you don't want your meat to be marinating in it lol. I always find a shady spot, tilt my ice chest up a little, & pull the plug...drains right out & works really well for me. I normally let it age 3 to 5 days as well. I've killed 300 to 400lb big stinkin' boars & done them this way & they turned out great! No BS lol. I do hang my deer in the garage at Christmas time in Nebraska though cause it's freezing arse COLD up there lol!

Posted By: esd56288

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/08/11 07:15 PM

In high school I took a meat processing class and we would let the meat hang and age for a few days before processing. Your processor may do the same. So it may not be worth the risk of aging it yourself on warm days.

Posted By: Dude Briggs

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/08/11 07:28 PM

Well that settles it since everybody does the EXACT came thing the EXACT same way, LOL

Posted By: Dude Briggs

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/08/11 07:34 PM

Originally Posted By: spoons
If you skinned the deer before hanging it, that will be better... skin holds in heat longer...


We had it skinned within an hour of killing it. It was quite cold in the wind under the tree in the shade on Saturday. I think most of you are picturing me just putting it out in the front yard in the sun and letting it bake. We had a 20 mph wind all day Saturday and most of Sunday, till I brought it inside and packed the ice in the deer bag. I know the preferred method in Texas, I was just wondering about the guys that do it this way, that's all. I appreciate all your input.

Posted By: Stonewall

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/08/11 08:36 PM

Good Luck Dude. I hope it works out for you and your buddy. It's easier than you think to process your own meat.
Nice Bass by the way.

Posted By: Dude Briggs

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/08/11 09:36 PM

Thanks on the bass, 10lber from Fork. I dont have a meat grinder, that's why I get it processed. On smaller game like like 50-75lb pigs I'll do it all myself, but on those we dont ussually have to store it cause it'll all get eaten or taken

Posted By: skinnerback

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/08/11 09:56 PM

Originally Posted By: Dude Briggs
Thanks on the bass, 10lber from Fork. I dont have a meat grinder, that's why I get it processed. On smaller game like like 50-75lb pigs I'll do it all myself, but on those we dont ussually have to store it cause it'll all get eaten or taken



I used to always get mine processed too, I've spent alot of money on processing over the years. The last time I had sausage made it was awful, no way that was my meat in there. So, I finally invested in a good meat grinder & now I know there's no chance of getting somebody else's meat. Plus, I enjoy it also lol. Just sayin'......

Posted By: Bill Waldschmidt

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/08/11 10:30 PM

That's way too warm to hang a deer.

Would you leave a steak out on your counter in 60-70 degrees for 2 days?


We quarter them, rinse, then dry, and put in the fridge for 3-7 days.

Posted By: Bill Waldschmidt

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/08/11 10:31 PM

Originally Posted By: Dude Briggs
Thanks on the bass, 10lber from Fork. I dont have a meat grinder, that's why I get it processed. On smaller game like like 50-75lb pigs I'll do it all myself, but on those we dont ussually have to store it cause it'll all get eaten or taken


You know you could get a meat grinder for less than it costs to get one deer processed.

Posted By: Dude Briggs

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/08/11 10:50 PM

Originally Posted By: Bill Waldschmidt
That's way too warm to hang a deer.

Would you leave a steak out on your counter in 60-70 degrees for 2 days?


We quarter them, rinse, then dry, and put in the fridge for 3-7 days.


Everybody seems to forget about windchill and shade. That's the reason we let it hang. Wasnt just out in the sun on a 65 degree day. I want to get a meat grinder but dont they usually add more meat to it than just venison? I need to learn how to do it..

Posted By: oldoak2000

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/08/11 11:14 PM

Above 40degrees, bacteria(in raw meat) doubles every 20 minutes!

PLEASE do not take that to a processor and make a bunch of other people sick!

I wouldn't feed that to my dog - even if I burned it to charcoal!
Ain't worth the hospital bill!

Posted By: Dude Briggs

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/08/11 11:23 PM

Originally Posted By: oldoak2000
Above 40degrees, bacteria(in raw meat) doubles every 20 minutes!

PLEASE do not take that to a processor and make a bunch of other people sick!

I wouldn't feed that to my dog - even if I burned it to charcoal!
Ain't worth the hospital bill!





I'll let you know if I die or not

Posted By: 4K outdoors and taxidermy

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/08/11 11:26 PM

I don't hang or age meat, didn't even go to a processer until the last couple of seasons, we've started eatin' on 'em as soon as we got them to fryin' pan. All that said I know of more than one person that will hang them for about two weeks, sometimes in a cooler, sometimes under a shed with a breeze. In West Texas its rare to go two weeks without some warm weather but those I know that are hardcore meat hangers haven't had any problems. I guess it's just a matter of what you feel comfortable with.

Posted By: spoons

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/09/11 12:22 AM

Depends on what you wanna make...? You can buy pretty good stuff on premix seasoning... I have a guy that is a processor seasons my Klobase...I know whats in it just not how much, I don't ask! as far as breakfast sausage its a premix with added paprika...

All of our meat mix is(klobase,suasage,hot links, breakfast sausage, etc):
45% deer
45% pork at a 70% ratio of fat (buy at Columbia meats,dallas)
10% 100% Beef fat

We only steak our backstrap & loins and sometimes the Hams for Jerky

If you buy a grinder hte $199 jobs don't last long..motor burns up.

Posted By: Jacob645

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/09/11 12:30 AM

I'm for the method of putting them on ice. That real slushy ice/water mixture. Drain twice a day to get the blood out. Works best in the back of the truck with constant motion sloshing the water back and forth.

Posted By: wannafish?

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/09/11 12:57 AM

your rotten deer is getting ground up and mixed with all of the other deer that are brought in. This is exactly why I process my meat myself![/quote]

Agree 100%

Posted By: Chaser42

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/09/11 04:01 AM

Odds are good that your deer is going to be ok. However, the 40-140 rule is always best to live by. Any temp between 40 and 140 is bacteria friendly. As far as aging, wet or dry age depending on your preference. Wet aging by either wrapping the meat (like meat packers do with the majority of beef we buy) or leave in the ice chest and drain daily for a milder flavor or dry age in a refrigerated environment for a stronger flavor.

It is wisest to clean, skin, and ice the deer ASAP.

Posted By: Halfadozen

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/09/11 04:57 AM

Wet age is where the meat is cryovac'd (vacuum sealed) where no air can get to the meat. The meat is kept above freezing and typically below 38 degrees. Dry age is where meat is hung in a locker with free air around it up to 45 degrees. It is normal and preferred for bacteria to grow on dry aged beef. Bad or rancid meat comes from parasites such as flies connecting the flesh. You are right to bag your deer in a mesh bag first. One night out of the sun and in the breeze at 60-65 degrees is fine but you should then transfer to a cooler and wet age, unless you know you can continue to hang around 40 degrees. I personally believe that if you wet age, the meat should not come into direct contact with ice or water, rather seal the meat if possible in the large 5 gallon ziplocs, put on ice, until you can process.
To test this approach, by 2 fresh steaks from your butcher (not dry or wet aged). Put one of those steaks on ice unwrapped for 2 days, and put the other unwrapped in your fridge. At the end of two days, season both steaks the same' and cook them the same. Then decide for yourself which has more flavor.

Posted By: oldoak2000

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/09/11 02:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Dude Briggs
. . . and took it to the processor Monday evening. . . .


Which processor did you take it to?

Posted By: passthru

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/09/11 03:42 PM

Guys like this are why I process my own as well.

Posted By: bassplay

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/09/11 03:44 PM

odds are good you will not get your meat back from the processor (most not all processors)you will get someone elses meat so you just have to hope they took better care of their meat. that is y i do not eat others peoples deer meat unless i no them well

Posted By: urbnat

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/09/11 04:20 PM

Personally, I think you are fine. The temp is a little warm, but what was the low temps at night that it chilled down to? You said it was in the shade, so I bet it is okay. In the past, we have hung them like that and packed the inside of the carcass with ice and never had trouble. Now, we got lucky and got a great deal on a walk in, we process our own meat, but still very rarely let them hang over two or three days. One thing we never do is soak in ice water. At most, we wash out the gut cavity to remove blood caused by the shot or when gutting the animal. Soaking the deer meat, in my opinion, makes the meat stringy and washes away the great flavor of the meat.

Posted By: Bill Waldschmidt

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/09/11 04:30 PM

Originally Posted By: Dude Briggs
Originally Posted By: Bill Waldschmidt
That's way too warm to hang a deer.

Would you leave a steak out on your counter in 60-70 degrees for 2 days?


We quarter them, rinse, then dry, and put in the fridge for 3-7 days.


Everybody seems to forget about windchill and shade. That's the reason we let it hang. Wasnt just out in the sun on a 65 degree day. I want to get a meat grinder but dont they usually add more meat to it than just venison? I need to learn how to do it..


We buy a bunch of pork shoulder to mix with it for sausage, and beef fat to mix with it for burger meat.

Cut the good steaks out of the hams and grind the rest.

Posted By: Stump_jumper

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/09/11 06:38 PM

Originally Posted By: Dude Briggs
Originally Posted By: Bill Waldschmidt
That's way too warm to hang a deer.

Would you leave a steak out on your counter in 60-70 degrees for 2 days?


We quarter them, rinse, then dry, and put in the fridge for 3-7 days.


Everybody seems to forget about windchill and shade. That's the reason we let it hang. Wasnt just out in the sun on a 65 degree day. I want to get a meat grinder but dont they usually add more meat to it than just venison? I need to learn how to do it..


Temp is measured in the shade not the sun. Wind chill makes no difference. Wind chill is only how cold it feels. If it is 65 with a 30mph wind the meat will be the same temp as no wind. If things chilled to the wind chill we would have to buy block heaters for our vehicles in Texas. Listen to what everyone says: 65 is not cold enough.

Posted By: Stump_jumper

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/09/11 06:43 PM

Originally Posted By: passthru
Guys like this are why I process my own as well.


Better yet are the ones that hang them for a couple days at 65-70 and then strap them to the hood and drive several with them in the sun and cooking form the engine heat.

Posted By: Czechaholic

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/09/11 06:45 PM

Originally Posted By: Stump_jumper
Originally Posted By: passthru
Guys like this are why I process my own as well.


Better yet are the ones that hang them for a couple days at 65-70 and then strap them to the hood and drive several with them in the sun and cooking form the engine heat.


Or the ones that put them on the front of the trailer so everyone on the highway can see them....then pursue to all a$$ down the highway with diesel exhaust blowing all over it!!!

Posted By: vanguard

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/09/11 06:54 PM

i was ok until you said flies.

Posted By: Bill Waldschmidt

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/09/11 07:16 PM

Originally Posted By: vanguard
i was ok until you said flies.


The fact that fly eggs had to be cut out was the killer

Posted By: oldoak2000

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/10/11 05:21 PM

Well, this is actually a pretty serious matter.

Since you won't believe me, I contacted the USDA; read for yourself:

Ask Karen: Thank you for contacting AskKaren. How may I help you today?
Gary: UnRefrigerated venison - stored 48 hrs at 65 to 70 degrees F (quartered deer - raw & unprocessed) - safe to prepare (cook) and eat?
Ask Karen: Unfortunately, no it is not safe. We say to refrigerate game immediately at 40 degrees or below. If it was left for 2 days in a warm temp it is not safe.

Ask Karen: It has to be stored at 40 degrees or below.
Gary: Well, I kinda know that; can you give me something to tell buddy who thinks otherwise?
Ask Karen: Yes, give me a minute let me find our fact sheet on wild game.
Ask Karen: We have this answer in our Ask Karen feature and now I will get the fact sheet for you.
Answer Link: http://askkaren.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/149
Ask Karen: Fact sheet on wild game, there is a section in the fact sheet about how to handle game safely: http://www.fsis.usda.gov/Fact_Sheets/Farm_Raised_Game/index.asp#11
Ask Karen: The fact sheet even has a section on what bacteria can be found in wild game, maybe that will help convince him it's not safe.

Gary: How sick (potentially) can he get from eating it?
Ask Karen: Very sick, foodborne illness can potentially kill.
Ask Karen: Salmonella and E.coli can be found in wild game.

Gary: Will cooking resolve that?
Ask Karen: No, some bacteria produce a toxin, cooking does not destroy toxins.

Gary: Ok, thanks.
Ask Karen: Your welcome. I hope that helps. Bye.

Posted By: Stump_jumper

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/10/11 06:20 PM

Way to go OldOak. Maybe we should all print this and hang it in deer camp. I think that everyone needs a touch of food poisoning now and then. I often think back to the time I had it and was sitting on the pot with a trash can in front of me.

Posted By: Eagle Eye Impson

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/10/11 06:51 PM

We let ours hang as long as they are skinned, the meat is cooling off well, and we keep the flies off of them. Our rule of thumb is if it gets above 60 then we put them on ice. We have never had any problems with our meet spoiling or tasting bad. Venison is a low fat meat and what spoils fastest is fatty meats, like pork. my $0.02.

Posted By: Sooner N TX

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/10/11 07:07 PM

Now, what about that deer that gets arrowed on the open weekend of bow season when its 90 degrees outside, and lays for three or four hours while you try to find it?

Is it completely ruined?

Posted By: oldoak2000

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/10/11 07:57 PM

Originally Posted By: Sooner N TX
Now, what about that deer that gets arrowed on the open weekend of bow season when its 90 degrees outside, and lays for three or four hours while you try to find it?
Is it completely ruined?


Probably not.

Time and Temperature are the factors; the bacteria that form the toxins (naturally present everywhere) can reproduce about every 20 minutes when (meat protein) temp is above 40 degrees. More-so at higher temps, but below 135. Keeping meat at 40degrees or lower stops the process.

In your case, first few hours would be (3*60)/20 = ~ 9 rep. cycles, at most. Toxin production is due to (microbiologic) crowding. 9 cycles = very little crowding; maybe some very small amount of toxins would be present but likely very very dilute, and wouldn't cause much problem for anyone.

OP had his at 65-70 for 48 hours, much of that in the blowing wind (C.B. spores are naturally present in the environment & soil,and are easily transported on windy days; normally harmless, unless give a medium (meat protein) and favorable conditions (medium warmer than 40degrees), & TIME!
OP's deer was way above 40 degrees, and a very long (micro-biologically speaking) time.
(48*60)/20 = 144 rep cycles.
A single clostridium botulinum spore present could have reproduced to
2 to the 144th power = 223 with 40 zeros after it ( i dont even know what that number is, but I sure wouldn't eat it).


Posted By: skinnerback

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/10/11 08:02 PM

Originally Posted By: oldoak2000
Originally Posted By: Sooner N TX
Now, what about that deer that gets arrowed on the open weekend of bow season when its 90 degrees outside, and lays for three or four hours while you try to find it?
Is it completely ruined?


Probably not.

Time and Temperature are the factors; the bacteria that form the toxins (naturally present everywhere) can reproduce about every 20 minutes when (meat protein) temp is above 40 degrees. More-so at higher temps, but below 135. Keeping meat at 40degrees or lower stops the process.

In your case, first few hours would be (3*60)/20 = ~ 9 rep. cycles, at most. Toxin production is due to (microbiologic) crowding. 9 cycles = very little crowding; maybe some very small amount of toxins would be present but likely very very dilute, and wouldn't cause much problem for anyone.

OP had his at 65-70 for 48 hours, much of that in the blowing wind (C.B. spores are naturally present in the environment & soil,and are easily transported on windy days; normally harmless, unless give a medium (meat protein) and favorable conditions (medium warmer than 40degrees), & TIME!
OP's deer was way above 40 degrees, and a very long (micro-biologically speaking) time.
(48*60)/20 = 144 rep cycles.
A single clostridium botulinum spore present could have reproduced to
2 to the 144th power = 223 with 40 zeros after it ( i dont even know what that number is, but I sure wouldn't eat it).


LMAO! What did you just say lol. Just giving you a hard time lol!

Posted By: oldoak2000

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/10/11 08:07 PM

Originally Posted By: skinnerback
LMAO! What did you just say lol. Just giving you a hard time lol!


Yeah, I gotta stop watching CSI . . . nuts

Posted By: skinnerback

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/10/11 08:09 PM

Originally Posted By: oldoak2000
Originally Posted By: skinnerback
LMAO! What did you just say lol. Just giving you a hard time lol!


Yeah, I gotta stop watching CSI . . . nuts


HA ha ha, I needed a good laugh...thanks.

Posted By: BuckRage

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/10/11 08:13 PM

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Posted By: LandPirate

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/10/11 08:57 PM

If it's good enough for buzzards then it's good enough for me!

Posted By: skinnerback

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/10/11 09:09 PM

LOL, I once ate a pig that had gang green. I mean the entire front section was a stinky green mush, did I mention it really smelled bad lol. I cut that thing in half & kept the hams & half of the backstraps. The rest of the meat still looked good & smelled good, my attitude back then was, "it ain't nothin' 350 degrees won't cure", so I cooked & ate every bit of it that I saved & enjoyed it. Now, understand that I was in my early 20's & thought nothing could hurt me lol. I would NEVER take that chance now, especially if feeding it to my family lol. I really really wanted that meat lol! Hell I even ate road kill one time lol.

Posted By: LandPirate

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/11/11 12:11 AM

That's nasty!

A buddy of mine is a local farmer. To help him out I'd hit his cotton and corn fields late at night and shoot pigs. These fields were adjacent to county roads and weren't fenced. One night I shot a huge boar hog that was too big for me to haul out of the field. I called my buddy and told me not to worry about it, that he'd run over there with a tractor, load it and haul it away.

That hog laid out there all night in 80+ degree temps. I drove by the next morning about 10Am and buzzards were on him already. About noon I went back by and the pig was gone. I called my buddy and he said that he hadn't made it there yet. I told him not to worry about because somebody had already gone in the field and picked it up.

I can only assume that they took it to eat. grill Then barf flush

Posted By: skinnerback

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/11/11 12:42 AM

Originally Posted By: LandPirate
That's nasty!

A buddy of mine is a local farmer. To help him out I'd hit his cotton and corn fields late at night and shoot pigs. These fields were adjacent to county roads and weren't fenced. One night I shot a huge boar hog that was too big for me to haul out of the field. I called my buddy and told me not to worry about it, that he'd run over there with a tractor, load it and haul it away.


LMAO! Man I've got to figure out how to get these little cartoon icons you guys use, apparently I'm not smart enough to figure it out....that's funny though. Must have been a whole fam damily that drug that thing out of there, crazy. Since we're story telling......before I moved outside of the city limits of Rockport I actually had someone come & steal all the meat out of my big ice chest I had sitting in my driveway by my garage door. I had trapped a couple of nice hogs & had them packed well in ice, (big pieces of meat). There was this alchoholic/dopehead bum on a bicycle that used to always stop at my house & ask me for fish or beer whenever he saw me unloading my boat. I quit giving to bums years ago so I always told him no & to get on down the road & leave me alone. I'm pretty shure it was him that stole my meat, no animal could have dug through that much ice & pulled out those big pieces of meat IMO. Not to mention you had to actually get into the ice chest first & dig through several inches of ice. Anyway, when I got up the next morning to see if I needed more ice all of my meat was gone. I was PI$$#@ off & actually called the police. They showed up & I explained & then couldn't help but laugh about the whole thing, must have sounded pretty funny to the police officer. I'll be the first person to help someone that's actually trying to help themselves first but dadgum....steal my meat! He didn't even know what kind of meat it was lol! Well hopefully it fed some hungry mouths, but IMO a thief is a thief....doesn't matter what they're stealing. Stole my meat lol....

That hog laid out there all night in 80+ degree temps. I drove by the next morning about 10Am and buzzards were on him already. About noon I went back by and the pig was gone. I called my buddy and he said that he hadn't made it there yet. I told him not to worry about because somebody had already gone in the field and picked it up.

I can only assume that they took it to eat. grill Then barf flush


Posted By: LandPirate

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/11/11 01:05 AM

I don't doubt that. It seems that the rats run to until the land ends and they just pile up along the coast.

I love the coast and plan to retire there, but there are some serious sand crabs living down that way.

Posted By: skinnerback

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/11/11 01:11 AM

Originally Posted By: LandPirate
I don't doubt that. It seems that the rats run to until the land ends and they just pile up along the coast.

I love the coast and plan to retire there, but there are some serious sand crabs living down that way.


Yeppers, unfortunately. I could never permanantly leave the coast, salt is in my blood. It'd be nice though if we could feed the crabs with some culls we pulled from the herd smile

Posted By: LandPirate

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/11/11 01:13 AM

Or maybe round 'em up, offer 'em a free offshore trip then skuttle the boat with all of 'em onboard.

Posted By: skinnerback

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/11/11 01:16 AM

Originally Posted By: LandPirate
Or maybe round 'em up, offer 'em a free offshore trip then skuttle the boat with all of 'em onboard.


LOL, that'd be a good start. I don't have issues anymore thankfully since I've moved out of town. Plus I have a miniature wiener dog that's trained to attack lol!

Posted By: Old whisker

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/11/11 01:43 AM

Originally Posted By: LandPirate
Don't hang 'em unless it's under 45 degrees. If it's over 45 then you need to quarter the deer and put it on ice. I age my deer on ice for 3-5 days. Drain the water and add ice daily. This will bleed out the meat. No gamey flavor and a nice pink color.

I'm not sure I'd want to eat a deer that hung for several days in 60-70 degree temps. That's too warm.

I hate to break the news to you, LanPirate but aging deer meat on ice is a nice oxymoron. Once you put the meat on ice, ALL aging process stops. Period.
Besides 3 1/2 -4 1/2 year deer does not any aging.
Back to the original question.
If the guy had let the deer hang in those temperatures he ruined the meat. No meat could be hang outside above 50F for over a day and not get attacked by bacteria. Especially in the skin. Furthermore, the hide is an ideal insulator and will prevent from quick cooling. And I won't even go into the benefits of cutting out the settled blood and other pockets of trouble that we see in the deer meat that was chased while wounded and will promote spoilage quick. 2cents

Posted By: Old whisker

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/11/11 02:14 AM

Now pig is a different story.
You know what they say about javelina. If it ain't moving, it is not ready to eat yet! food

Posted By: easton1025

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/11/11 02:29 AM

Originally Posted By: oldoak2000
Well, this is actually a pretty serious matter.

Since you won't believe me, I contacted the USDA; read for yourself:

Ask Karen: Thank you for contacting AskKaren. How may I help you today?
Gary: UnRefrigerated venison - stored 48 hrs at 65 to 70 degrees F (quartered deer - raw & unprocessed) - safe to prepare (cook) and eat?
Ask Karen: Unfortunately, no it is not safe. We say to refrigerate game immediately at 40 degrees or below. If it was left for 2 days in a warm temp it is not safe.

Ask Karen: It has to be stored at 40 degrees or below.
Gary: Well, I kinda know that; can you give me something to tell buddy who thinks otherwise?
Ask Karen: Yes, give me a minute let me find our fact sheet on wild game.
Ask Karen: We have this answer in our Ask Karen feature and now I will get the fact sheet for you.
Answer Link: http://askkaren.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/149
Ask Karen: Fact sheet on wild game, there is a section in the fact sheet about how to handle game safely: http://www.fsis.usda.gov/Fact_Sheets/Farm_Raised_Game/index.asp#11
Ask Karen: The fact sheet even has a section on what bacteria can be found in wild game, maybe that will help convince him it's not safe.

Gary: How sick (potentially) can he get from eating it?
Ask Karen: Very sick, foodborne illness can potentially kill.
Ask Karen: Salmonella and E.coli can be found in wild game.

Gary: Will cooking resolve that?
Ask Karen: No, some bacteria produce a toxin, cooking does not destroy toxins.

Gary: Ok, thanks.
Ask Karen: Your welcome. I hope that helps. Bye.

..Throw it out..not worth it..I work in the food industry and you are asking for trouble...Game meat or no game meat..get a cheap cut of meat and leave it out the same temps as the deer...then smell it and see if you would eat it..."aging" meat is done at very controlled temps with the humidity being added as well...

Posted By: Stump_jumper

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/11/11 06:33 PM

Originally Posted By: skinnerback
LOL, I once ate a pig that had gang green. I mean the entire front section was a stinky green mush, did I mention it really smelled bad lol. I cut that thing in half & kept the hams & half of the backstraps. The rest of the meat still looked good & smelled good, my attitude back then was, "it ain't nothin' 350 degrees won't cure", so I cooked & ate every bit of it that I saved & enjoyed it. Now, understand that I was in my early 20's & thought nothing could hurt me lol. I would NEVER take that chance now, especially if feeding it to my family lol. I really really wanted that meat lol! Hell I even ate road kill one time lol.


I heard a story on the radio the other day about a guy is living entirely off of roadkill. He can have it all.

Posted By: chrisj81

Re: Hanging/aging deer meat question - 11/11/11 07:26 PM

Originally Posted By: bjankowski
A quick an easy way is to buy a cheap refrigerator and put in some racks and you can quarter up your venison and hang it for a week or so. Put in a pan on the bottom that will catch the blood and drain daily. I travel a lot and using the ice chest method with draining it daily is not an option for me. And if I don’t get home in a couple of weeks the meat will keep.
There are tons of cheap refrigerators on Craig’s list daily.


This is the method I have always been told to use(here in Texas) you never know what the weather the next day is going to be like no matter what month it is!! If you lived up north it wouldn't be a problem!! I have also used the cooler method but that is a a lot more work than a fridge.

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