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Whooping Cranes Shot

Posted By: jeffbird

Whooping Cranes Shot - 12/16/21 11:31 PM

Stuff this leaves me shaking my head and feeling sick.

Please learn to correctly identify what you are hunting.

There is no excuse to mistake a Whooping Crane for anything else.

https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/OKDWC/bulletins/300e9a1

Posted By: skinnerback

Re: Whooping Cranes Shot - 12/16/21 11:33 PM

SMH

You'd have to be a real dumb dumb to mistake a whooper for anything. It's always a pleasure watching them arrive here every year.
Posted By: Biscuit

Re: Whooping Cranes Shot - 12/16/21 11:35 PM

Good lord
Posted By: TrackQuack

Re: Whooping Cranes Shot - 12/16/21 11:51 PM

Hope they catch them. Not a good look for waterfowl hunting.

Article did a good job of not calling them hunters.
Posted By: dkershen

Re: Whooping Cranes Shot - 12/17/21 01:57 AM

$100K fine per bird. Hope they catch the idiots.
Posted By: BOBO the Clown

Re: Whooping Cranes Shot - 12/17/21 02:32 AM

Wish they would take that photo down.
Posted By: Sniper John

Re: Whooping Cranes Shot - 12/17/21 02:42 AM

They shot 4 of them. That's extra bad when you consider there are only around 500 left.
Posted By: Ol Thumper

Re: Whooping Cranes Shot - 12/17/21 02:51 AM

Those guys just ruined their lives, almost a half a million for fines alone. Can you imagine the restitution cost??
Posted By: Bee'z

Re: Whooping Cranes Shot - 12/17/21 02:55 AM

Originally Posted by BOBO the Clown
Wish they would take that photo down.


Same, that is shameful.
Posted By: Ranch Dawg

Re: Whooping Cranes Shot - 12/17/21 05:22 AM

Damn shame. They’ll never get one dollar out of the DAs that did it.
Posted By: Dodge_Rock

Re: Whooping Cranes Shot - 12/17/21 11:28 AM

Tragic for the birds and the folks that have dedicated their lives to saving the species. A quick search turned up a story from La in 2016 about two whoopers killed by an adult & juvenile. The fine was $85K & 360 hours of community service. La estimated it cost $94K to raise one whooper & release it. It must cost over $100K to raise one bird now. That, plus punitive fine should be well over half a million when these perps are caught.

There was another story about a captive breeding bird in Baraboo, Wisconsin that died earlier this year of "old age" - he was almost 39 years old.
His name was Gee Whiz, named after George Gee, the fellow working at USGS that collected semen used to artificially inseminate Gee Whiz's mother in Maryland.
Gee Whiz sired almost 180 offspring!

There were less than 20 whoopers in the 1940s, now there are almost 850. Strike that, down to 846.

You can't fix stupid.
Posted By: garyrapp55

Re: Whooping Cranes Shot - 12/17/21 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by jeffbird
Please learn to correctly identify what you are hunting.

My guess is the jack wagon/s didn't have ID problems, just inconsiderate piles of stuff. Some go in the field and shoot whatever moves.
Posted By: Pootie

Re: Whooping Cranes Shot - 12/17/21 01:57 PM

"It must cost over $100K to raise one bird now."

lizard
Posted By: DUKFVR

Re: Whooping Cranes Shot - 12/17/21 02:08 PM

Hope the catch POS's who did this and stick them in jail for a good bit along with 100K fine.
Posted By: Double Naught Spy

Re: Whooping Cranes Shot - 12/17/21 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by Sniper John
They shot 4 of them. That's extra bad when you consider there are only around 500 left.


There are only a bit over 500 left, but that is a huge increase in population size over 80 years ago. Back in 1941, it was estimated that there were only about 15 left. Not implying there is room for hunting pressure, only that the 500 or so is a tenuous success story.
https://www.extinction.photo/species/whooping-crane/
Posted By: garyrapp55

Re: Whooping Cranes Shot - 12/17/21 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by Double Naught Spy
Back in 1941, it was estimated that there were only about 15 left.

Wow, it's a wonder there's any left then. I don't keep up with it but can't imagine many species getting that low and then making a comeback. In my book, if you're at 15, you're all but gone.

15 birds, how will that tiny gene pool affect the future survival? I would think some retardation would be unavoidable, but that's a guess/assumption.
Posted By: Double Naught Spy

Re: Whooping Cranes Shot - 12/17/21 11:44 PM

Originally Posted by garyrapp55
Originally Posted by Double Naught Spy
Back in 1941, it was estimated that there were only about 15 left.

Wow, it's a wonder there's any left then. I don't keep up with it but can't imagine many species getting that low and then making a comeback. In my book, if you're at 15, you're all but gone.

15 birds, how will that tiny gene pool affect the future survival? I would think some retardation would be unavoidable, but that's a guess/assumption.


In population genetics, the concept of 'island populations" is an interesting topic to consider with numerous case examples. They are called island populations because they are isolated small populations, as sometimes happens on islands with shiprecks and such. Contrary to misconception, inbreeding does not necessarily cause a loss of intelligence of the group unless one or more of the individuals in the group are particularly low in IQ due to a genetic issue. What happens is that traits tend to show up at a much higher rate because there is less genetic diversity. People rarely consider the benefits of inbreeding because the negatives can be so daunting, Imagine a group of geniuses having a small reproductive group, but the genetic code for heart disease was carried in a couple of people and cancer in a couple more such that after a few generations, lots of people are coming down with heart disease and/or cancer, but are still very smart. Now, if a couple of those geniuses carried a rare and recessive allele for mental retardation, then that certainly could start showing up in much higher than expected numbers (https://www.jstor.org/stable/68793).

No doubt the whooping cranes will have some sort of genetic issues as result of their genetic code being bottlenecked down to a few individuals, but it would not necessarily be mental retardation.
Posted By: TEXASLEFTY

Re: Whooping Cranes Shot - 12/18/21 12:23 PM

That’s terrible news!
Posted By: MrC1G

Re: Whooping Cranes Shot - 12/19/21 04:17 PM

Such a shame to lose those birds. After 65 years of waterfowl hunting have noted that there are a number of hunters that only are interested in shooting. Makes no difference what game/bird it happens to be. No thoughts to what is legal or not. On a hunt in past season, we were loading up our boat when another boat with 4 hunters came in. They had 16 canvasbacks and had no idea as to limit. Sandhill cranes are very different than Whooping cranes. Know ID of species your hunting.
Posted By: HornSlayer

Re: Whooping Cranes Shot - 12/23/21 07:40 PM

It shouldn't be that hard to track them down. All they have to do is get the video at the convenience stores in and around Snyder for that morning. Just see who came in for coffee and snacks that morning in camo. There just isn't much out that way.
Posted By: HornSlayer

Re: Whooping Cranes Shot - 12/27/21 07:59 PM

One other thing, if they know from where the hunters were shooting, I would bet money that someone in the group took a piss and would leave some pretty good DNA evidence close by? They should probably just turn themself in before the Fed's track them down. I'm betting on law enforcement on this one.
Posted By: woods and plainsman

Re: Whooping Cranes Shot - 01/15/22 10:00 PM

Love stopping through Aransas Wildlife Refuge and checking them out
Posted By: cbump

Re: Whooping Cranes Shot - 01/15/22 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by HornSlayer
One other thing, if they know from where the hunters were shooting, I would bet money that someone in the group took a piss and would leave some pretty good DNA evidence close by? They should probably just turn themself in before the Fed's track them down. I'm betting on law enforcement on this one.



You really think they are out there digging up random spots of ground in hopes of finding dna in someone’s urine? Lmao
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