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Snakes and killing to end a threat

Posted By: Texas Dan

Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/16/20 01:09 PM

I noticed a photo that someone posted on social media of a king snake squeezing the life out of a copperhead. It made me think about how not killing snakes has become a new way of elevating oneself over those who kill every venomous/poisonous snake they see. It also made me think about why king snakes kill and eat copperheads and other snakes and question if it was just for a meal but also for the threat these snakes create towards them and their existence. All of this reminded me of a comment the president of one those animal rights groups once said about killing mosquitoes. As he put it, "It doesn't make sense to kill something that will likely never bite you." Maybe that's the logic being followed by those who refuse to kill venomous snakes, that they post no threat since they will likely never bite and sicken you. If so, maybe we should stop spraying and killing all these summertime mosquitoes.
Posted By: SnakeWrangler

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/16/20 01:32 PM

Brilliant post.....NOT.... loco
Posted By: Texas Dan

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/16/20 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by SnakeWrangler
Brilliant post.....NOT.... loco


You forgot to mention the flag.
Posted By: NORML as can be

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/16/20 01:38 PM

You got the good stuff... cool2
Posted By: Hudbone

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/16/20 01:42 PM

Boobily doesn't kill 'em at his place. I think he is crazy.
Posted By: pegasaurus

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/16/20 01:42 PM

Snakes have their place in the ecosystem.

If it is an immediate threat to you or you need food then fine. If not, let it be.

Most animals do not kill for sport nor do they have the power to reason.
Posted By: Stub

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/16/20 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by SnakeWrangler
Brilliant post.....NOT.... loco



Originally Posted by NORML as can be
You got the good stuff... cool2
It must be laced with something to come up with that bs
Posted By: Hudbone

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/16/20 01:44 PM

I only sentence the rattlers to death. Can't imagine how I would feel if one got away and provided anything other than a dry bite to one of my friends.
Posted By: Stub

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/16/20 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by Hudbone
I only sentence the rattlers to death. Can't imagine how I would feel if one got away and provided anything other than a dry bite to one of my friends.


Just a question, why only Rattlers?
Posted By: Texas Dan

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/16/20 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by pegasaurus
Most animals do not kill for sport nor do they have the power to reason.


Male lions, bears, and other animals will often attack and kill the offspring of their competitors with no intention of eating them. IMO, this borders on actions taken through reasoning.
Posted By: TKandMike

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/16/20 02:24 PM

What if all mosquitoes carried malaria, yes they are not likely to bite you, but if they did it'd be much worse and people would want as many of them dead as possible. I have the same rationale with rattle snakes. just avoid as many potential bad outcomes as possible. All non-venomous snakes get a pass.
Posted By: jrgocards

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/16/20 02:37 PM

Not sure I'm following why anyone thinks mosquitoes won't bite them? If they're buzzing around me, I think they're there to try to bite me.

JR
Posted By: Hudbone

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/16/20 02:39 PM

Not worried about non-venomous snakes such as indigos, kings, chickens and such.
Posted By: garyrapp55

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/16/20 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by Texas Dan
Originally Posted by SnakeWrangler
Brilliant post.....NOT.... loco


You forgot to mention the flag.


He also forgot to mention how trash can dan feels we should not have access to certain types of firearms. Trash can dan prefers Uncle Sam to decide what is best for us. Trash can dan is considering we not kill disease spreading mosquitoes.

Mr. trash can, how do you feel about invasive hogs?
Posted By: pegasaurus

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/16/20 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by Texas Dan
Originally Posted by pegasaurus
Most animals do not kill for sport nor do they have the power to reason.


Male lions, bears, and other animals will often attack and kill the offspring of their competitors with no intention of eating them. IMO, this borders on actions taken through reasoning.



That is not sport that is for mating and survival of their genes.
It not reasoning either. It is instinct for them to kill offspring that is not theirs.
Posted By: Huntmaster

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/16/20 02:49 PM

Deer don’t bite.
Posted By: QMC SW/EXW

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/16/20 02:53 PM

Snakes get a pass from me unless they are right next to the house. Snakes do what nature intends them to do. No matter how poisonous the snake is in North America they can only strike a little less than half their body length. So if you give them 5 ft you are safe and it is pretty easy to maintain that distance. They are part of nature and like all wildlife have a purpose and I for one do not kill them simply for the sake of killing them. Besides I think they are kind of cool.
Posted By: Hudbone

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/16/20 03:22 PM

Yeah and I'll never forget when Shotsie and Leah were outside the house and started yelling when they had a less than five foot surprise encounter with a buzzy tail. Shooting the ones away from the house gives the ones near home somewhere else to go.
Posted By: Choctaw

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/16/20 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by SnakeWrangler
Brilliant post.....NOT.... loco


Yep, but it is typical.
Posted By: Wilhunt

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/16/20 04:18 PM

Venomous snakes get the axe.
Posted By: PMK

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/16/20 04:32 PM

all snakes give me the quibee geebies ... poisonous or not ... poisonous usually go bye bye (except timber rattlers), non get a pass
Posted By: Double Naught Spy

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/16/20 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by Huntmaster
Deer don’t bite.


No, not typically, but can. Of course, they only have lower front teeth for the job. They will gore the hell out of you and batter you to the ground with their hooves. People get "attacked" by deer every year and on average, 1-2 people die each year from deer attacks, right up there with kills by mountain lions.
Posted By: SnakeWrangler

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/16/20 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by Huntmaster
Deer don’t bite.


Ohhhhh sooooooo very wrong...…

Quote

Bobcat recipe....

Cody's Llama


I had this idea that I was going to rope a deer, put it in
a stall, feed it up on corn for a couple of weeks, then kill it and eat it.

The first step in this adventure was getting a deer. I figured
that, since they congregate at my cattle feeder and do not seem to have much fear
of me when we are there (a bold one will sometimes come right up and sniff at the
bags of feed while I am in the back of the truck not 4 feet away), it should not
be difficult to rope one, get up to it and toss a bag over its head (to calm it
down) then hog tie it and transport it home.

I filled the cattle feeder then hid down at the end with
my rope.

The cattle, having seen the roping thing before, stayed well
back. They were not having any of it.

After about 20 minutes, my deer showed up -- 3 of them. I
picked out.. ..a likely looking one, stepped out from the end of the feeder, and
threw.. My rope. The deer just stood there and stared at me.

I wrapped the rope around my waist and twisted the end so
I would have a good hold. The deer still just stood and stared at me, but you could
tell it was mildly concerned about the whole rope situation.

I took a step towards it...it took a step away. I put a little
tension on the rope and then received an education.

The first thing that I learned is that, while a deer may
just stand there looking at you funny while you rope it, they are spurred to action
when you start pulling on that rope.

That deer EXPLODED.

The second thing I learned is that pound for pound, a deer
is a LOT stronger than a cow or a colt. A cow or a colt in that weight range I could
fight down with a rope and with some dignity.

A deer-- no chance.

That thing ran and bucked and twisted and pulled. There was
no controlling it and certainly no getting close to it. As it jerked me off my feet
and started dragging me across the ground, it occurred to me that having a deer
on a rope was not nearly as good an idea as I had originally imagined.

The only upside is that they do not have as much stamina
as many other animals.


A brief 10 minutes later, it was tired and not nearly as
quick to jerk me off my feet and drag me when I managed to get up. It took me
a few minutes to realize this, since I was mostly blinded by the blood flowing out
of the big gash in my head. At that point, I had lost my taste for corn-fed
venison. I just wanted to get that devil creature off the end of that rope.

I figured if I just let it go with the rope hanging around
its neck, it would likely die slow and painfully somewhere. At the time, there was
no love at all between me and that deer. At that moment, I hated the thing,
and I would venture a guess that the feeling was mutual.

Despite the gash in my head and the several large knots where
I had cleverly arrested the deer's momentum by bracing my head against various large
rocks as it dragged me across the ground, I could still think clearly enough to
recognize that there was a small chance that I shared some tiny amount of responsibility
for the situation we were in, so I didn't want the deer to have to suffer a slow
death, so I managed to get it lined back up in between my truck and the feeder -
a little trap I had set before hand...kind of like a squeeze chute.

I got it to back in there and I started moving up so I could
get my rope back.

Did you know that deer bite? They do! I never in a million
years would have thought that a deer would bite somebody, so I was very surprised
when I reached up there to grab that rope and the deer grabbed hold of my wrist.

Now, when a deer bites you, it is not like being bit by a
horse where they just bite you and then let go. A deer bites you and shakes
its head --almost like a pit bull. They bite HARD and it hurts.

The proper thing to do when a deer bites you is probably
to freeze and draw back slowly. I tried screaming and shaking instead. My method
was ineffective. It seems like the deer was biting and shaking for several minutes,
but it was likely only several seconds.

I, being smarter than a deer (though you may be questioning
that claim by now), tricked it.

While I kept it busy tearing the tendons out of my right
arm, I reached up with my left hand and pulled that rope loose. That was when
I got my final lesson in deer behavior for the day.

Deer will strike at you with their front feet. They rear
right up on their back feet and strike right about head and shoulder level, and
their hooves are surprisingly sharp. I learned a long time ago that, when an animal
-- like a horse --strikes at you with their hooves and you can't get away easily,
the best thing to do is try to make a loud noise and make an aggressive move towards
the animal.
This will usually cause them to back down a bit so you
can escape.

This was not a horse. This was a deer, so obviously, such
trickery would not work. In the course of a millisecond, I devised a different
strategy. I screamed like a woman and tried to turn and run.

The reason I had always been told NOT to try to turn and
run from a horse that paws at you is that there is a good chance that it will
hit you in the back of the head. Deer may not be so different from horses after
all, besides being twice as strong and 3 times as evil, because the second
I turned to run, it hit me right in the back of the head and knocked me down.

Now, when a deer paws at you and knocks you down, it does
not immediately leave. I suspect it does not recognize that the danger
has passed. What they do instead is paw your back and jump up and down on you
while you are laying there crying like a little girl and covering your head.

I finally managed to crawl under the truck and the deer went
away.

So now I know why when people go deer hunting they bring
a rifle with a scope to sort of even the odds.

Posted By: Old Rabbit

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/16/20 06:15 PM

Any Copperhead around the house has a very short lifespan. Out where we hunt Mr. No Shoulders will usually die if they are on my walk path. Out in the brush looking for a downed deer, we will usually part ways peacefully if it allows.
Posted By: dogcatcher

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/16/20 07:48 PM

popcorn
Posted By: ntxtrapper

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/16/20 08:01 PM

I have noticed a significant decrease in rattlesnakes since the hogs inundated my ranch. I consider it a good trade.
Posted By: Texas Dan

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/16/20 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
I have noticed a significant decrease in rattlesnakes since the hogs inundated my ranch. I consider it a good trade.


Yes, there are often cases in life where you must pick your poison.

When I first noticed the photo of the king snake killing the copperhead, I had to wonder if there are those who might feel sorry for the poor copperhead. I mean, I've never been one to find remorse after killing a venomous snake or mosquitoes, either of which never had the chance to bite me.

[Linked Image]



Posted By: Flashprism

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/16/20 08:39 PM

I am an ardent lover of the out doors.I am sad that so many species have left our earth. However if you can end my enjoyment of the out doors regardless regardless of your motive I will eliminate that risk to ensure my continued enjoyment.
Posted By: dogcatcher

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/16/20 09:13 PM

With having kids around when we are in the "woods", poisonous snakes do not get a pass.
Posted By: mickeyhft

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/16/20 09:45 PM

Yeah, killing poisonous snakes is where I draw the line on being enlightened or whatever it is. I do and will kill all I see. Same with coyotes and other varmints. Keep 'em knocked back a little.
Posted By: 10 Gauge

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/17/20 06:03 AM

Originally Posted by SnakeWrangler
Originally Posted by Huntmaster
Deer don’t bite.


Ohhhhh sooooooo very wrong...…

Quote

Bobcat recipe....

Cody's Llama


I had this idea that I was going to rope a deer, put it in
a stall, feed it up on corn for a couple of weeks, then kill it and eat it.

The first step in this adventure was getting a deer. I figured
that, since they congregate at my cattle feeder and do not seem to have much fear
of me when we are there (a bold one will sometimes come right up and sniff at the
bags of feed while I am in the back of the truck not 4 feet away), it should not
be difficult to rope one, get up to it and toss a bag over its head (to calm it
down) then hog tie it and transport it home.

I filled the cattle feeder then hid down at the end with
my rope.

The cattle, having seen the roping thing before, stayed well
back. They were not having any of it.

After about 20 minutes, my deer showed up -- 3 of them. I
picked out.. ..a likely looking one, stepped out from the end of the feeder, and
threw.. My rope. The deer just stood there and stared at me.

I wrapped the rope around my waist and twisted the end so
I would have a good hold. The deer still just stood and stared at me, but you could
tell it was mildly concerned about the whole rope situation.

I took a step towards it...it took a step away. I put a little
tension on the rope and then received an education.

The first thing that I learned is that, while a deer may
just stand there looking at you funny while you rope it, they are spurred to action
when you start pulling on that rope.

That deer EXPLODED.

The second thing I learned is that pound for pound, a deer
is a LOT stronger than a cow or a colt. A cow or a colt in that weight range I could
fight down with a rope and with some dignity.

A deer-- no chance.

That thing ran and bucked and twisted and pulled. There was
no controlling it and certainly no getting close to it. As it jerked me off my feet
and started dragging me across the ground, it occurred to me that having a deer
on a rope was not nearly as good an idea as I had originally imagined.

The only upside is that they do not have as much stamina
as many other animals.


A brief 10 minutes later, it was tired and not nearly as
quick to jerk me off my feet and drag me when I managed to get up. It took me
a few minutes to realize this, since I was mostly blinded by the blood flowing out
of the big gash in my head. At that point, I had lost my taste for corn-fed
venison. I just wanted to get that devil creature off the end of that rope.

I figured if I just let it go with the rope hanging around
its neck, it would likely die slow and painfully somewhere. At the time, there was
no love at all between me and that deer. At that moment, I hated the thing,
and I would venture a guess that the feeling was mutual.

Despite the gash in my head and the several large knots where
I had cleverly arrested the deer's momentum by bracing my head against various large
rocks as it dragged me across the ground, I could still think clearly enough to
recognize that there was a small chance that I shared some tiny amount of responsibility
for the situation we were in, so I didn't want the deer to have to suffer a slow
death, so I managed to get it lined back up in between my truck and the feeder -
a little trap I had set before hand...kind of like a squeeze chute.

I got it to back in there and I started moving up so I could
get my rope back.

Did you know that deer bite? They do! I never in a million
years would have thought that a deer would bite somebody, so I was very surprised
when I reached up there to grab that rope and the deer grabbed hold of my wrist.

Now, when a deer bites you, it is not like being bit by a
horse where they just bite you and then let go. A deer bites you and shakes
its head --almost like a pit bull. They bite HARD and it hurts.

The proper thing to do when a deer bites you is probably
to freeze and draw back slowly. I tried screaming and shaking instead. My method
was ineffective. It seems like the deer was biting and shaking for several minutes,
but it was likely only several seconds.

I, being smarter than a deer (though you may be questioning
that claim by now), tricked it.

While I kept it busy tearing the tendons out of my right
arm, I reached up with my left hand and pulled that rope loose. That was when
I got my final lesson in deer behavior for the day.

Deer will strike at you with their front feet. They rear
right up on their back feet and strike right about head and shoulder level, and
their hooves are surprisingly sharp. I learned a long time ago that, when an animal
-- like a horse --strikes at you with their hooves and you can't get away easily,
the best thing to do is try to make a loud noise and make an aggressive move towards
the animal.
This will usually cause them to back down a bit so you
can escape.

This was not a horse. This was a deer, so obviously, such
trickery would not work. In the course of a millisecond, I devised a different
strategy. I screamed like a woman and tried to turn and run.

The reason I had always been told NOT to try to turn and
run from a horse that paws at you is that there is a good chance that it will
hit you in the back of the head. Deer may not be so different from horses after
all, besides being twice as strong and 3 times as evil, because the second
I turned to run, it hit me right in the back of the head and knocked me down.

Now, when a deer paws at you and knocks you down, it does
not immediately leave. I suspect it does not recognize that the danger
has passed. What they do instead is paw your back and jump up and down on you
while you are laying there crying like a little girl and covering your head.

I finally managed to crawl under the truck and the deer went
away.

So now I know why when people go deer hunting they bring
a rifle with a scope to sort of even the odds.





I am still trying to catch my breath. This is so good, I must steal this and post it in another forum. My sides hurt and I can't breathe, I cried!
Posted By: Ag Hunter 78

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/17/20 06:16 AM

I can pretty much recognize different snakes, so good ones (as in non-poisonous) get a pass. Rattlers, especially those big enough to eat, don't. food
Posted By: Dave Davidson

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/17/20 12:01 PM

I used to kill all of the rattlers and copperheads that I saw. Then, I realized that they ate a lot of mice, etc. I quit bothering them. Then the hogs moved in and I rarely ever see a snake now. I'd rather have the snakes.
Posted By: Hudbone

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/17/20 12:28 PM

headed down in a few. Wifeypoo and I will both be wearing snake boots. Any ratller we come upon will have an "issue".
Posted By: Jgraider

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/17/20 01:48 PM

Trashcan Dan never ceases to amaze........
Posted By: Texas Dan

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/17/20 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by Jgraider
Trashcan Dan never ceases to amaze........


As does how quickly some of you guys run to my posts.

grin
Posted By: Double Naught Spy

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/17/20 04:20 PM

If we think we need to kill anything with the potential to hurt us, when is opening day on human season? Asking for a friend.
Posted By: ntxtrapper

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/17/20 04:36 PM

I'm so down for killing rattlesnakes, I have a dedicated gun for it.

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Posted By: Dalroo

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/17/20 04:49 PM

[quote=ntxtrapper]I'm so down for killing rattlesnakes, I have a dedicated gun for it.

I have one of these as well - sometimes though, it might be easier to let the snake slide away than to shoot the Snake Slayer. The darn thing is cool, but not the funnest gun to shoot in the arsenal...
Posted By: 10 Gauge

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/17/20 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by Texas Dan
Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
I have noticed a significant decrease in rattlesnakes since the hogs inundated my ranch. I consider it a good trade.


Yes, there are often cases in life where you must pick your poison.

When I first noticed the photo of the king snake killing the copperhead, I had to wonder if there are those who might feel sorry for the poor copperhead. I mean, I've never been one to find remorse after killing a venomous snake or mosquitoes, either of which never had the chance to bite me.

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They are beautiful. I would not kill the copperhead, but I don't feel sorry for it. Nor do I hold a grudge against the king snake for that matter. ^5 to whoever captured this image!

Still I would not hold a grudge against anybody that shot a venomous snake either. Like you said, you have to pick your poison sometimes. I take my kids out herping when I can, and we admire them. But in the yard, at home, I would have to kill it. My kids and pets, neighbors kids pets and horses.

I think it is perfectly reasonable to kill them, where I draw the line is are you out there killing every snake you can find or are you just trying to extirpate them from your property or deer lease, etc?

To address the other comment about killing people... man I agree I think humans pose the greatest threat. But at least a snake attempts to let you know, most of the time, hey man i am gonna bite you. Some humans will ambush you and mess up your life if they have anything to gain from it.

If a human invaded my home, I'd probably shoot it. I would not give it the chance to know I am awake and ready, would you hmgive a snake a chance to strike you before you shot it? I think home invaders definitely get it harder than a snake would at home.
Posted By: Jgraider

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/17/20 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by Texas Dan
Originally Posted by Jgraider
Trashcan Dan never ceases to amaze........


As does how quickly some of you guys run to my posts.

grin


It's like rubbernecking at a bad car wreck.......sometimes you can't help yourself in spite of it all.
Posted By: RattlesnakeDan

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/17/20 08:10 PM

I caught a nice 28" Coral Snake today and I was trying to grab it's head but it was chewing on my boot and venom was running down and was smeared all over so I figured it was best not to grab it. I knew I would be getting venom on my hands and then rubbing my eyes and picking my nose in the next 5 minutes. He got a head chop and is tanning in a solution now.
Posted By: skinnerback

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/17/20 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by RattlesnakeDan
I caught a nice 28" Coral Snake today and I was trying to grab it's head but it was chewing on my boot and venom was running down and was smeared all over so I figured it was best not to grab it. I knew I would be getting venom on my hands and then rubbing my eyes and picking my nose in the next 5 minutes. He got a head chop and is tanning in a solution now.



I did the exact same thing not long ago here. Nice coral snake, stepped on his tail while I was pulling out my pocket knife. He chewed on my boot and released venom surprisingly quick, and quite a bit of it. I have little ones running around the yard, so he got the head chop too and went to the freezer. My kids spotted another coral less than 10' from my house two days ago, but was gone by the time I got there.
Posted By: Texas Dan

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/17/20 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by RattlesnakeDan
I caught a nice 28" Coral Snake today and I was trying to grab it's head but it was chewing on my boot and venom was running down and was smeared all over so I figured it was best not to grab it. I knew I would be getting venom on my hands and then rubbing my eyes and picking my nose in the next 5 minutes. He got a head chop and is tanning in a solution now.


Noticed a post on social media where someone who must have lived out West was trying to correct others for repeating the well-known "red touch yellow..." saying that's often heard in these parts for telling the difference between coral and king snakes. The only king snakes that I've ever come across are the black-speckled types, but I'm sure the "red touch black" variety are common as well, despite what someone from California might believe. I checked and there is a snake that lives out West with a similar color pattern but it's confusing to throw it into the mix as being common to our area.
Posted By: skinnerback

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/17/20 09:33 PM

Coral Snakes and Milk Snakes are commonly confused, we have both here along with several different King Snakes.
Posted By: RattlesnakeDan

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/17/20 10:32 PM

I took a pic. Dang...can't post pic from phone or laptop....strange.
Posted By: flintknapper

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/18/20 01:24 AM

Originally Posted by Texas Dan
Originally Posted by RattlesnakeDan
I caught a nice 28" Coral Snake today and I was trying to grab it's head but it was chewing on my boot and venom was running down and was smeared all over so I figured it was best not to grab it. I knew I would be getting venom on my hands and then rubbing my eyes and picking my nose in the next 5 minutes. He got a head chop and is tanning in a solution now.


Noticed a post on social media where someone who must have lived out West was trying to correct others for repeating the well-known "red touch yellow..." saying that's often heard in these parts for telling the difference between coral and king snakes. The only king snakes that I've ever come across are the black-speckled types, but I'm sure the "red touch black" variety are common as well, despite what someone from California might believe. I checked and there is a snake that lives out West with a similar color pattern but it's confusing to throw it into the mix as being common to our area.


^^^

True, it isn't in Texas....but the fact remains the saying "Red touch Yellow" isn't universally true and not even completely accurate in the U.S. since some States have certain Shovel Nosed Snakes that break that rule.

Example below:

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Posted By: Graycard

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/18/20 04:12 PM

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This is what happens when your dog gets hit by a Timber Rattler. Besides the oblivious wounds, all of the dark area on her back is dead flesh. She didn't even notice the snake as she walked by until it struck. They don't always rattle!

I will kill ANY deadly snake, any where, at any time! If I could, I would kill it twice!! "Aussie" survived for another year but the organ damage finally got to her.
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Posted By: tex70

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/18/20 04:40 PM

Wow that pic is hard to look at, poor thing frown
Posted By: Grizz

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/18/20 08:12 PM

The fact that some people don't kill venomous snakes has nothing to do with trying to "elevate" themselves, and comparing not killing snakes with not killing mosquitoes makes absolutely no sense at all.
As far as snakes, circumstances dictate whether I kill a venomous snake or not - I don't kill all of them. I don't kill any non venomous snakes. If someone else wants to kill every venomous snake they see, more power to them. It's none of my business.
Posted By: Texas Dan

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/18/20 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by flintknapper
True, it isn't in Texas....but the fact remains the saying "Red touch Yellow" isn't universally true and not even completely accurate in the U.S. since some States have certain Shovel Nosed Snakes that break that rule.

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When it comes to wildlife, what statements are universally accurate? Does that mean statements that apply to plants and animals that are most common to a given area are not useful? To think otherwise is much like the media trying hard to find that one exception for a report that's meant to sell the public a false narrative.
Posted By: flintknapper

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/18/20 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by Texas Dan
Originally Posted by flintknapper
True, it isn't in Texas....but the fact remains the saying "Red touch Yellow" isn't universally true and not even completely accurate in the U.S. since some States have certain Shovel Nosed Snakes that break that rule.

Example below:

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When it comes to wildlife, what statements are universally accurate? Does that mean statements that apply to plants and animals that are most common to a given area are not useful? To think otherwise is much like the media trying hard to find that one exception for a report that's meant to sell the public a false narrative.



Just expanding on some information that you alluded to in your original post. Cool you jets...its going to be OK.
Posted By: HS2

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/19/20 04:11 AM

My snake philosophy is to reduce all venomous snakes. The risk is just too high to leave them around.

I try to eliminate as much snake food as I can. I get fanatical about keeping rat poison around.....the fewer mice and rats, the fewer snakes. I try to keep brush piles down.....the mice go in brush piles to escape the coyotes, and the snakes go to the brush piles looking for the mice. If it's a non-venomous snake, it gets a pass. I figure there's only so much snake food to go around, so if I leave the safe snakes, there's less food for the poisonous ones. Then all poisonous snakes get killed.

Most snakes will leave people alone and you don't have to worry about them, but the risk of getting bit by a venomous snake is just too high. When people and animals get bit the results are just too severe.
Posted By: flintknapper

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/19/20 04:45 AM

Originally Posted by HS2
My snake philosophy is to reduce all venomous snakes. The risk is just too high to leave them around.

I try to eliminate as much snake food as I can. I get fanatical about keeping rat poison around.....the fewer mice and rats, the fewer snakes. I try to keep brush piles down.....the mice go in brush piles to escape the coyotes, and the snakes go to the brush piles looking for the mice.



^^^^^

Very smart. Reduce the 'reasons' for snakes (of any type) to be around and you should have fewer of them.
Posted By: 10 Gauge

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/19/20 04:52 AM

I was listening to meateater the other day, they were discussing tirkeys. Apparently they are not very fecund and there is a good chance they will be eaten by something before they make it a year. And you know what one of the most common killers is? Non venomous snakes.

I read al the time on this forum, hunters lamenting the dwindling numbers of quail. I am willing to bet if rat snakes are wrecking the turkeys they are doing alot of damage to quail too.
Posted By: garyrapp55

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/19/20 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Grizz
I don't kill any non venomous snakes. If someone else wants to kill every venomous snake they see, more power to them. It's none of my business.

Exactly my stance.
Posted By: Hudbone

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat - 04/19/20 02:14 PM

I read al the time on this forum, hunters lamenting the dwindling numbers of quail. I am willing to bet if rat snakes are wrecking the turkeys they are doing alot of damage to quail too.

I'll make the same bet -

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