Senate Bill 810

I know there are varying views on hunting high fence and the deer breeding industry, but there is one thing I think every hunter can agree on... the erosion of any hunters rights is an erosion against all of our rights. Regardless of whether you agree with it or not there are benefits that the deer breeding industry brings to all of us, but especially the advancement, the care and the value put into the whitetail deer species. There are certain special interest groups who would like to chip away at the deer breeding industry and Bill 810 is one of their steps. I encourage you to look into this bill and sign this petition below that the TDA is sending to the Senate. The long and short of it is they want and deer raised in a breeders facility to have a visible tag remaining in their ear upon release onto ranches. They will try to pass it off as having the ability to track CWD cases better. But if they suspect CWD in a deer they will have the head to test. If they have the head to test they will also have the ears which must have a tattoo with a unique id number inside of them for tracking such diseases. So that would be a bogus reason. The only reason they are wanting this as a requirement is because they believe hunters will not want to shoot a deer with a tag in their ear. Please consider this for what it is which is another intrusive invasion on business owners to make a living doing what they love to do while bettering the species.



https://texasdeerassociation.com/oppose-senate-bill-810/

Thanks for posting. I have zero interest in this and prefer native whitetail. That’s just me.
Some of the genetics look ridiculous. Who wants to shoot a deer with an ear tag anyway?


That’s just my opinion. No one get mad.

You don't do this often but you just completely missed the point.

Maybe. I’m preoccupied watching chopped.

Inch by inch, anything's a cinch

Yup......

I will sign it. I despise big government intrusion.

Based off of what you wrote I have zero issue and if anything I would support the bill. Why is it a problem to keep ear tags in a deer not born in the wild? Serious question. I also disagree that high fences/breeder operations are good for the sport or good for deer.

Ear tag or not makes little difference to me. We've passed on a couple ear tagged bucks on our LF place and they weren't anything special.

Can someone post a link to the actual bill? I can't find a senate bill with that number for the current session. Thanks!

" If they have the head to test they will also have the ears which must have a tattoo with a unique id number inside of them for tracking such diseases."

That would make it easier to track deer taken illegally. A note to taxidermist's that such and such deer was poached and please respond if it shows up.

Would also be interesting if a deer was entered into a contest with a tattoo.

IMO it's no different than any animals I bought and paid for to raise on my land. You don't have the right or big gov to tell me how if I choose to tag or brand my animals in the first place. Serious answer.

They do when it comes to communicable diseases. Are you familiar with scrapie?

Ranchers have to have ear tags on livestock. They keep extensive records on births and maintenance of the animal throughout their lives. I see no reason to treat pen raised deer any different except the deer do not enter the wider food chain. Bottom line in either scenario, they are tracking disease.
These same intrusive entities help in times of need, ie; vaccines, range improvement, screw fly eradication, cwd.

Agree with Pitchfork Predator. High fence deer are basically livestock. Not my cup of tea, but why is the Gov dictating how a rancher identifies his livestock? More Government sticking it's nose where it does not belong.

Let’s treat them like they are livestock then across the board. Deer ear tagged behind a high fence should have no season and not have any state regulations about how/when they can be hunted. They shouldn’t be treated like a wild animal for harvest purposes and livestock for everything else.

Link to the latest revision of the bill. Looks like there is now a provision for removing the ear tag when the deer is released.

https://legiscan.com/TX/text/SB810/2019


(h) A deer breeder may remove an identification tag from a
breeder deer for liberation purposes only after:
(1) a transfer permit for the breeder deer has been
activated; and
(2) the deer breeder or deer breeder's agent has
verified that the breeder deer bears a tattoo meeting the
requirements of this section.
(i) The person transporting breeder deer must possess an
identification tag that has been removed in accordance with
Subsection (h) from each breeder deer being transported that does
not bear an identification tag in the vehicle used to transport the
breeder deer until the transfer permit has been completed.

well said. exactly what they are doing

No they don’t. Not on their land.

I agree and so do the owners of them

Yes I am and doesn’t change my opinion.

Most of you all arguing are forgetting that the state of texas (and most other states) consider deer state property. Whether bought or sold or in a high fence or low, texas says deer are state property. period. end of discussion.

The cost of admission for buying and breeding state deer inside your high fence is whatever the state says it is. If they say it needs a tag, or tattoo, or whatever, and you want to have deer inside the high fence, then that's the price you have to pay.

If you read into this tagging requirement that they "are hoping people won't shoot deer with tags in their ears", well that's just your take. I personally would have no problem shooting a deer with a tag, but since I don't hunt where deer are tagged I would probably never come across this issue.

Having said that, I am all about keeping the govt out of my business....BUT deer are their business not ours.

https://www.tahc.texas.gov/news/brochures/TAHCBrochure_Scrapie.pdf

I don’t think you understand when those tags are required.

Infact everything you wrote above is false,in its context. I watched TAHC put down a bunch of southdowns

No they don’t.

No suprise here. I knew this thread would be a [censored].

Fudd’s don’t mind more gov in everyone’s business, as long as they agree with it.

Only problem with your argument is deer are the state's property. Its their business, not ours.

I am a huge libertarian, keep out of my stuff and leave me alone. But the argument is similar to saying we shouldn't have to put stickers on our car to drive on the highways. There is a big difference between exercising a privilege and having a right. We have the right to bear arms, while we have a privilege to hunt. Some people have exercised their right to high fence their property and the state allows them the privilege to buy and sell deer to put on these properties, but the state still maintains control and ownership of these deer. Just ask all the folks who have to apply for MLP and other extended deer hunting privileges on their property. Just ask how many folks need a hunting license to hunt a HF place. Just ask how many people need a tag to shoot a purchased deer. The deer isn't the land owners and they know it.

So don't get upset if the state asks you to tag said deer if you want to exercise certain privileges such as sale and transfer of deer in the state.

Now, is it a stupid law and will it make a difference? Thats not even being discussed here anymore.

Yes it is a stupid law. This got to this point because other ops started asking then why not this way? IMO it should not be the states deer like it would be when you fence them in. That's not the same as birthing them or buying and stocking........thus the analogy being discussed.

Marc, I get ya, but me wishing the Dems all went away and we got back to our founding father principals isn't going to make it happen.

Reality is reality whether we like it or not. I know you know this, not directed at you specifically.

I agree so to answer your question yes I think it's a stupid law because IMO it won't end up controlling anything on the disease side of the discussion.

I think many times things like this law aren’t so much about controlling disease as much as knowing where to go to find disease. Kind of like a gun registry for each citizen. If the govt ever wanted to confiscate certain types or all of our guns, they would first require a registry of either certain guns or alll guns, just so they would know right where to go to get them. Some states have this I believe for at least some guns (hand guns).

Anyway, this law will do nothing to prevent or control disease, but only allow the state to find the deer and kill them when they want.

I concur, I too signed it. They need to worry about other issues like all these illegals coming in !

So your all for gun registration? Some Libertarian.

That is actually exactly a definition on a Fudd. “I support gun right, except.....”. Or “I support less gov, expect for.......”

Sorry your gal lost.

I am sorry, did I say I was “for” gun registration simply by stating there are states that already have gun registration in place? I think you have reading comprehension issues if you actually believe I am “for” gun registration.

And to think “my girl” lost....laughable

You can’t discuss this topic rationally because the HF/breeder apologists have learned that doesn’t turn out well for them. It’s why they immediately go the ad hominem and straw man route and turn things into a distraction game.

You basically say it’s ok for gov to force people to “register” deer because it’s ok they “register” guns already.

Either you are for less gov or your not, & obviously you are not. Please quit calling yourself a Libertarian, you clearly are not.

Maximus, again you have reading comprehension issues. Early on I said I am all for less govt involvement.

I also said the reality of the situation is deer are not our property but the state’s property. You can argue till you are dead that deer belong to the land owner, but until the state says so, you are just bitchin in the wind.

I never once said I thought deer needed to be tagged, I never said deer should be tagged. I simply stated (correctly) that deer aren’t yours to have say so about, so it’s a pointless argument to argue they should or shouldn’t. Talk about the law being stupid or senseless or whatever, but arguing deer are mine or yours is as stupid an argument as this law might be.

Hi fence, low fence or wall none of these work at keeping animals or people out or in. Nancy and Chuck told me so.

Maximus wants us to believe a fence can keep the state out

Technically it’s not even about HF. It’s about wether TAHC should be in charge of breeder deer. If they are then they are no longer held in public trust. I personally don’t think they should be the responsiblilty of TPWD. Tag requirements are also pointless with out live testing rocking 100%.

Purpose of Bruc tag, Scraipes etc is to track animals and allow for identification at “sale” to test against. If you aren’t taking an animal to sale or traveling it all over Texas and selling it to multiple people it’s kind of dumb, especially since you are not going to re-release a deer more then once. If you live test everything then technically your are certified Disease free also....

The motives are to purely degrade the image of the deer nothing more nothing less, thier is nothing scientific about it it.

Bobo, that’s the best argument on this thread so far! That’s what my intent was with all the previous talk, get away from who’s deer it is and give some reasons why the law is stupid or not.

I don’t think this is anything about helping control disease, it’s all just a way to make killing “potentially diseased” deer easier for the state. Most of the time govt regulations are silly, non-productive, and non-effective. But they make the “job” of the govt easier, therefore they get enacted. No matter the burden it places on the person, whatever is better for the state....it’s BS.

It’s not even about making it easier. If there is a diseased deer, they go scorched earth. Everything dies.. Heck they have gone scorched earth off a paper processing issues.

TAHC uses tags to track and test against when animals are going to different ranches for breeding purposes. Basically stating that a cow, sheep etc was clean going into a ranch and clean coming out, and then clean going to the next ranch. You don’t have to tag a cow or sheep if it doesn’t leave the ranch or is going to a kill facility. A deer just isn’t going to be release at multiple ranches.




Yes the key to this legislation is simply a strawman in the name of science for the Anti high fence/ Anti breeder crowds to use to degrade another hunters deer and hunt image. It has no scientific basis at all. It’s not for identifying a disease, or a potential carrier of a disease. It’s just another hunter degrading another hunter for self promotion or what ever trifling reason they have justified in thier mind.

I concur Bobo.

Funny, I think it is you with comprehension issues.

“wanting less gov” doesn’t mean “new gov restrictions” in any case.

Bobo is spot on.

The HF / breeder haters will go along with any gov intrusion into the breeding or HF side of deer hunting. Then make up a reason the support it.

Where did I say that? All you can do is prop up a straw man & sword fight him.

Like most Fudds, your hate for that which you don’t approve of leads you to support larger gov & more useless laws.

I’m lost.