The Ultimate HF vs. LF Poll

Just curious where everyone sits in the main categories. Seems some will hunt anything, some will hunt HF if still seems fair hunt for animal, others are LF only but don't want to see it illegal, and others are LF and want it to be illegal for others.

I answered, before the thread get the padlock

Das boot.

Great subject. I never grow tired of it.

I'm not sure why it would get moderated unless posts go downhill, I hope not. I've never seen a poll on it before, so if there is some rule against starting a poll about HF vs. LF I'm not aware of it. This is United States, not Iran.

I am surprised the HF if adequate crowd isn't bigger.

Ill hunt LF and HF, I don't have a problem with either. Naturally you can go to far with the HF. The places I have hunted that were HF were 1000 acres and 1300 acres.

I also think if you are ok hunting HF you should feely admit it and not take offense when you post your picture and someone asks HF/LF. Don't try to make it something its not.

As long as it isn't a pen I am good. Hunting is hunting no matter what or where you do it. We are all on the same team.

+1.

That is why I was kinda shocked the 'HF if adequate crowd' wasn't bigger and why I voted how I did.

I answered both, it's all about freezer meat, I don't taste hf or lf when I shove it in my pie hole therefore I couldn't care less

HF if adequate (fair to animal) is questionable. We are humans capable of abstract thought created centerfire rifles, drove trucks powered by internal combustion engines 100's of miles to pursue said deer that have been filmed with digital game cams that send wireless images to our home computers, and are lured there by programmable feeders... aint much in the process "fair"

That's ridiculous, they have free choice of feeders. What could be more fair?

I always laugh when I hear that word "fair" used in real life.

I taught both my girls growing up that the only fair that you can count on in life and agree with the definition of comes to Texas each year in October.

There is no one on this forum that should be able to decide what I do on my property. To even have a poll that suggests we should be able to vote on it is not freedom, it's socialism.

Bad form Rob.

And for the record, I don't own a high fenced ranch or currently hunt on one.

But I fully support those that do.

I think our definition of socialism and freedom are different. You don't think anyone should have the right or freedom to have different opinions as you or discus them on THF. Isn't that socialism trying to get everyone to fit a specific mold? To me the freedom and rights of all of us to have different ways we prefer to hunt and openly discus them on THF is the greatest gift of all and 100% American. I think your brand is better suited for North Korea or Iran, not Texas especially!!!

I'm torn on this one as I just returned from my one and only HF hunt experience. It was harder than heck and not a one of us bow hunting elk could even get close enough to sniff a shot. I did take one with a rifle on the last day and while I am proud of it, I know it wasn't the accomplishment that a successful free range hunt would have been.

Overall, I think it is personal and situational. What is fair to one person might not be fair to another. I am fortunate to have the time and resources to be on 2 leases and I have no desire to hunt deer or turkey anywhere but there and will get out there 10-15 times at least this season. But not everyone has that the time and/or resources, and/or access. So to each his own.

Freedom to do anything you want, does not exist on private property. This site is private property. The rules are not optional, they are mandatory. Freedom in America has no bearing on it.

When in someone's home, I follow their rules - or leave.

Marc

I agree 100%, but if the owner and community act more like North Korea/Iran than United States, what does that say about them?

I'd rather just give up hunting and take up fishing exclusively if I had to hunt in pens. Put up the fence and go pretend to hunt....the hell with that.

We are hunters, we aren't fair. Y'all can paint this illusion of what's fair if you want but it's a lie. We go out and pick what lives and what dies. The animals don't have a say, it's our choice. Set up feeders, hunt with rifles with huge scores, train deer to feeder times/certain vehicles etc. Then stand up and claim you were fair it was the deer's choice. Y'all hunt how you want to and I'll do the same. This back and forth over who is the better hunter is ridiculous.

What size fresh water compound do you fish? Do you use artificial bait, live bait, boat, fish only from shore, electronic fish locator, cane pole, use a net, 3 # line or 17# test, barbless hook? Just curious

I enjoy fishing too.

I voted, but GEEZ!

right... like a dam hen house fighting over whos egg taste the best

The high fence egg.....duh!











They are better fed

I voted HF if adequate, each animal has a minimum area, which if smaller, it's movements are constrained. when you get over 1000 acres most animals have enough room. I actually worry more about habituation to humans, an animals natural wariness, can be overcome by too much contact with people. The third factor is if the animal has been naturalized to the enclosure I want animals that have been living on the land for at least a year and preferably longer.

I use all methods while fishing in stocked tanks. I raise them up, catch'em, kill'em, and mount'em. I glorify my skills and abilities by displaying them in my trophy room. Sound stupid? Sound familiar? Are you that person? Wake up!

Screw the eggs, eat the hens. But in case we don't, for the record, mine taste the best.

I shot a doe on a 4k acre hf ranch....my heart was beating outta my chest

I shot a buck on a 300 acre hf ranch.....my heart was beating outta my chest


I shot a buck on a 70k acre low fence ranch.....heart was beating outta my chest






Find the common denominator

Lure fisherman hate live bait fisherman

Fly fisherman hate conventional fisherman


What's really the difference?

I think you need to check with your Cardiologist, so he put your heart back in your chest.

That's Funny

I just ignore it now, it's like Lonzo is trying to carry on Oscar's agenda... If you ignore it they move on to .223 or dressing like Elmer Fudd... Comical actually

Since you are such a skilled fisherman, when does a stocked tank become a stocked lake? Is there a certain size? I too love to catch and eat fish. I do have a salmon I caught in a river in Alaska. Then again they were swimming up stream to lay their eggs. I guess that would not really be a trophy! O'well I thought it was. The brown bears sure liked them.

If you want to put a high fence on your land, I don't see anything wrong with it. You work hard your whole life to buy a nice piece of land that is good to hunt, it's your right to manage it however you see fit. High fences may keep game animals in, but they keep predators out as well. It's up to you to manage that property to make hunting on it better.
If you do a great job managing your property, and people are willing to pay to hunt it, more power to you both. I believe in fair chase hunting, but if I were a land holder you better believe I'd do all I could to make it attractive to game and control predators. If I had the money to fence it in, I would do that too.

Is Costco a HF walmart?

Yes trying to fit a specific mold is socialism, and that's exactly what you are trying to do by pushing your elitist view on hunting. Your stupid poll will do nothing to support your agenda or the proponents of HighFence huntings agenda. All it will do is bring out hate, arguing, and dislike among hunters. You know nothing about me or my brand, if you did you would know that comparing me to a North Korean or Muslim in my presence would lose your front teeth or break your nose.

I agree, although the only thing that gives me pause is natural movement patterns, but then in end I think land owner rights wins out over impact to neighbors wildlife. High fence no different than if they do oil well development or decide to build a neighborhood, tough luck.

I hunted property in Oklahoma a neighbor put up high fence on their side that completely blocked out a major drainage the deer used. There were 10+ land owners and thousands of acres that had deer hunting diminished significantly because actions of one. That was their right though.

wow, doesn't support your argument foundation when you resort to name calling, bullying, and physical threats. Most people in the right would be more effective with reasoning and intelligence, but maybe you aren't capable? I'm your huckleberry.

I didn't see bullying or threatening.

that's OK, plenty of internet tough guys, I actually know how to deal with them in real life.

Not trying to be tough or threatening, and I'd welcome meeting you in person to discuss this further.

Here comes the lock......






AGAIN!

the passive aggressive UIBA, watch out fellas


long live the THF

let's make a little attempt to get this back on track, I know you don't like the thread out here, so just ignore it. that's American right? freedom to enjoy what you want and let others enjoy what they want?

Before this gets locked, the Poll shows about 66% will hunt high fence in some form, 26% adopt a live and let live attitude, only 8% believe that HF should be banned.

I'm surprised there is even 8%. I would have expected lower. I think this is informational for most of us and hopefully the THF/Mod team. Only 41% are hunt HF regardless and there are 35% that are LF only. Just shows THF is a diverse community how we like to hunt legally. We would show similar diversity if polling archery/rifles, guide/no guide, baiting/no baiting, stand/spot stalk, etc. America is a great place we can practice and discuss our own differences while allowing others their differences.

When members of "our own" speak out against how another of "our own" does what they do I don't see how its not understandable when met with contempt.

Not the first time I stuck my foot in my mouth, and it won't be the last. If those ten landowners could put their heads together and make their property significantly more attractive to the deer, it might come back the other way. I know a guy whose family's property is a part of a co-op where several came together and fenced their land in, and they manage it for deer.
I do feel like barriers that impede natural movement patterns should be illegal, but where do you draw the line? I have seen it enough to know that the anti's will play the law to their favor. Just like statistics, it can be misinterpreted to somebody's agenda. And to be completely honest, even building a subdivision on the outskirts of town could likely be prohibited by legislation like that.
Personally, I believe in fair chase hunting. But I don't believe in restricting landowners from managing their land however they see fit. I feel that you coukd manage your land better and make it more productive and attractive if wildlife can move freely on and off your property as well.
Regarding ethics, fair chase, canned hunts, and etc. I feel like it is a very touchy subject and it isn't black and white. Every situation is different, and most legislation will likely be unfair to somebody. But it is what it is. Personally, it's not about the kill, but the quality time spent in the woods. I've had opportunities to get out and hunt deer that I passed on. I don't want to sit in a blind in front of a feeder and wait for a deer-especially not for my first kill. I would rather get after the squirrels in the "real" woods. But again, if I were a landholder I'd manage it to the best of my ability. Meat in the freezer is half the reason I hunt. I would probably also still want to spend time in pursuit elsewhere as well.
I can see why it is so touchy subject.

Exactly that's the part I don't understand.

Almost childish really, if you don't like a HF...here comes the simple part...Don't hunt it. But getting down right angry about someone else hunting it?

I think this poll shows it is a very small minority 7% that really wants to limit HF or "angry about someone else hunting it". I'm a little more surprised at all the anger towards those like me that don't hunt HF, but don't mind if others do. It is like many want to make it illegal to be a LF only hunter, even if we don't care you hunt HF.

Indescriminate killing?

Sometimes its just does not go as planned.....

People will choose to Hunt just as EXACTLY as they want to...

This! And although I think high fence hunting is fine if thats what you want to do, record animals killed inside a high fenced area should be recorded separately from free roaming animals. At least there should be an asterisk or something to denote that fact.

If you really don't care either way you wouldn't have started a poll. These HF debates should be viewed as trolling.

Honestly I've never killed anything larger than a yote and hogs on a HF and probably never will, so somehow now I'm a better hunter than the other guys...Just typing that last part seemed dumb.

HF/LF is of course just an opinion, I am a Capitalist in the truest sense of the word, so if you own it, you can build a dome around it and charge whatever anyone will pay for all I care, just don't brag about as it isn't, has never been and will never the same accomplishment as killing something unrestrained by a barrier it cannot cross no matter what the acreage said barrier is surrounding.

to spell it out I think poll makes a point that more of the trolling and hate is towards LF guys than the other way around. hopefully the THF community can be the better for it, as you see from my register date, posts, and donation I care about the community.

If you notice on the poll - only one option is selfish enough to think that another option should be outlawed. That sums it up pretty well.

Misquote of the year.

Huh. And all this time I thought most of the trolling and hate came from the low fence purists who have disdain for anyone who hunts any other way.

Nah man is all the HF guys mad at everyone for hunting LF...

I think I've been pretty consistent in saying everyone needs to please themselves and not worry about other people's opinions. All I ask is that hunts be honestly represented. I live in an area where deer drives are common, I don't particularly care for them, other people can do them, I do care when they screw up my public land hunt. I do appreciate HF ranches because they aren't affected much by neighboring ranches, after dealing with the circus of public land hunting privately held ranches, HF or LF, are a welcome change.

I've been perusing and lurking on this forum since '09, and I can tell you that the ONLY thing this poll proves is that hunting season is just around the corner and all the 'natives' are starting to get restless and their necks are starting to swell! (or it's just a really slow day on THF ?)

I would like to believe you Rob, but as is pointed out above, the poll itself says the opposite.

If we want to look at the big picture, let's look at the fact that you are a member of the Hall of Shame, the list of members that have been banned from this site along with your elitist hunting compadre, Nogalus Prairie who was recently added to the list for his participation in these same type of threads.

While we are all talking about it...

I try to avoid the exotic section because I don't agree with it. I know buddies who have shot sheep literally in pens just to have a head on the wall.

I find it funny that there is a subforum entitled exotic "hunting" and the first post is for the live sale of a bull elk. Rings more to livestock to me than hunting, but that's why I try to stay away from that section, I smh every time I see that post on the main page.

I don't think that is a good/fair point. Who decides what is deemed "elitist"? the largest group?
If you go "there" because you disagree with the "click", it is censorship IMO. If it is for arguing ect tra, then there should be many more names on that "list". Just because you don't agree with some, should not mean you get "camp" time. There are several who actually "troll" regularly, that have yet to be on there. There has been many "participants" in those threads.

So what's the difference in someone selling trophy deer hunts for bucks that score a certain number of inches?

I don't think your giving the mods enough credit for what they do Dennis.

I've never seen a ban for disagreeing with the majority of opinions.

I don't find it coincidental that this survey pops up after NP was banned.

Oh there he is...how did you get that video of him?

I agree and it's a shame. I just don't get it and don't understand how that is enjoyable or rewarding. Again, if it ever comes down to that being the only way to "hunt" or pretend to hunt, I'd rather just give it up. Maybe I could then have enough time to post 10,000+ posts on the hunting forum instead of spending time outside living it.....

Who knows you can sell hunts for big bucks by the inch low fence free range or out of a breeder pen. I just tend to believe if its loaded on a trailer its more or less livestock than hunting. Which is why I avoid that section of the forum.

I didn't even know NP was banned.

I agree with you 100% never seen a ban on THF for the HF guys, who are in the majority of users and especially mods. I got my ban for breaking the rules. Don k attacked me and I defended myself adequately. Mods didn't remove don k's attack, but removed my defense. I then questioned the mods in a post. Simple, don't critique the mods no matter what.

Any more comparisons of countries and what is what?

I don't think hunting any of God's wonderful and delicious creatures is right.

red - I've killed several axis, all of them low fence. Granted, the section can resemble a livestock auction sometimes, but to "not agree" with an exotic section?

'Just thought I'd check in here. 'Seems to be going really well.

I have no problem with folks hunting behind a high fence. What I do have a problem with is when smaller farms and properties get high fenced in. Seen it ruin a few folks.

There is no doubt it is tough to be open minded and understanding of differences, even more for a moderator, it would seem that would require a total lack of emotional response, that would be the toughest part of being a MOD IMO. I think I give them a lot of credit for the most part, I don't know what they do behind the "scene", even the ones I have spoken with on here and in PM's, only met 2 and all have been as expected, nice.

I just don't think a difference of opinion is something to get all emotional about. Have not seen one thread where it solved anything.

As far as why this thread came up, have no idea, same with the one you reference concerniong NP, that one was clearly a set up for this "stuff".

you sir........











are correct

Only 13 out of 114 THF member - do not accept any form of HF and believe it should be illegal. Now the lobbyist will take over as the results are not as projected. Of course I'm waiting for the polling statement "this poll was +- 90% accurate based on those who would have voted but did not"

Rob I think you have a skewed impression of most members being pro HF, HF owners etc...and especially your last comment on what message you felt the survey sent, being that it showed most members are anti-LF.

Nothing could be further from the truth. I hunt one of the largest LF ranches in the state, been hunting there for 9 years. We have all native wildlife on the ranch and don't even feed protein. I have no connections to any HF ranch as far as benefiting from them.

I believe we should respect fellow hunters right to choose the legal means that suit them for the way they choose to hunt. And more importantly land owners should have the right to decide how they want to fence and hunt their land.

This is a hunting forum, not Facebook. Members should be able to post pictures of their hunt and stories of what took place without being subject to ridicule and judgement from others that choose to hunt differently.

We do ourselves no good by criticizing others and devaluing there hunting experience because it's different from what we choose to do.

Many hunters on this forum don't have the time or money to do a 10 day guided sheep or elk hunt. They choose the best fit for their circumstances. It doesn't make them less of a hunter or lacking in ethical standards. When they are labeled in a negative way because of their chosen hunting method I think it's natural for them to react negatively, especially when it takes place on a hunting forum.

You and I have a lot more in common on the hunting side of things and methods/experiences than you know.

But where we are very different is I'm comfortable with the choices other hunters on this forum make that are very different from mine and I don't have the yearning or need to point out to them that I believe my way is better or more fair/ethical then theirs.

Well thought out response, PP.

Rob, your poll confirmed what most already knew. The VAST majority of hunters don't care how anyone other than themselves hunt. Just hunt! The only folks I have seen get upset and confrontational about means/methods are the low fence purists. No one else gives a darn.

I hunted nothing but low-fence until I was 32 (24 yrs). I've hunted both HF and LF since the 92-93 season. Man what a year that was! I'm 55 now.

My trophy room has both low and high-fenced whitetails displayed. Each has a cool story behind it. There are low fence hunts, high fence hunts and what I call "trophy room hunts". The latter are what irk so many. Truth be known, so long as the hunter presents each trophy in that manner, more power to them.

Huge deer with huge antlers are fun to look at. Regardless of the habitat from which they were taken. Whether or not the owner of the head is honest in his description of the kill is the deciding factor, imo. Not the fence type.

We should be happy for one another for their good fortune and not to ridicule them for something you feel could have been done better or in a different way. If I hunt with a re curve or a modern rifle it us my choice same as where I hunt. always feels like jealousy to me more than some superior sportsman ship.

Pitchfork Predator that was a very good post and very true. People that think their way is the only way have very small minds.

X2

I don't think anyone is anti-LF, I just think some are threatened and attack LF only hunters like myself. It should be OK to discus HF and LF on THF if we're all respectful and stay within the rules. I will certainly offer the reasons why I only hunt LF, but as I've said a thousand times and voted I don't care that others hunt HF.

I also agree that we should either support each others hunts or just keep quiet. Don't put down a hunt report just because not the way you hunt.

I do struggle with staying quiet when it comes to being truthful in posts. Ask Fouz, over at TFF I'm all about everyone being truthful about their fish stories too.

I agree HF guys should go on the attack against those trying to take away HF, but why are HF guys so threatened and attack those like me?

I'm not a HF fan, but I certainly don't think they should be outlawed. Sorta like I drive Fords, but don't think chevy should be outlawed..... Well maybe that's not entirely true.

Can't answer that one. Personally, I can't ever recall a hunter belittling someone for only hunting low fence. Only the other way around. Though I am a seasonal guest, here.

Just hunt. And pass it on!

Chicken or egg, much has to do with perspective who threw first stone.

I'm pretty much with RedChevy on the Exotic Section. Nothing there appeals to me and I haven't decided if it's the selling part or the actual HF part.

I do know I have taken two sheep (black hiawiian & mouflan) with a bow from a large HF ranch and the horns are somewhere in my attic I think

I will never hunt another HF, but at the same time I don't tell others they shouldn't. Can't we all just get along

Pretty simple to me. This forum is for discussions, learning, sharing, and a place for "like minded people" to gather and discuss things. What makes it great is that everyone has a different opinion and different experiences.

Disagreements and different points of views are accepted and actually the discussions are encouraged IMO. Whether it is 30-06 vs 270, killing a pig with a .243, Ford or Chevy, Trump or Carson, HF or LF, etc., we all have an opinion and they won't be the same, yet, that is ok.

HF is the most volatile topic and it is because of a few from both sides. The discussion in itself is no different than the other subjects, but it is taken personal and becomes personal. The attacks on others way and choices shouldn't be tolerated. For some reason, the other topics remain fairly civil and there is a level of respectfulness that goes with it. When it comes to this topic, that respect is lost and any level of discussion is riddled with insults.

When it comes to someone sharing an adventure, hunt, trophy or other experience, they shouldn't worry about ridicule and belittlement of their experience. Unacceptable.

As far as comments and insinuations about decisions that are made, tread lightly my friends. It isn't up for discussion and the rules clearly state to keep it off the forum and provide a measure and means for those to be filed and heard.

The hunting styles are all the same on HF and LF. Most people are sitting in a box blind of some sort with a rifle or bow looking at a feeder. The only difference is location and cost. It reeks of jealousy of someone with the need to feel superior for some reason. I dont believe a discussion of caliber of rifle will ever draw the same feelings.

IMHO there are many many differences, but hey that's what the forum is for. I will assume "cost" is the last reasoning folks give for not hunting HF places.

Last reason? I'd bet it's top 3 for a lot of folks. Number 1 reason I don't hunt them, much much cheaper for me to hunt LF.

but why does it bother you so much if someone lies about their fish? unless its costing you a place in a tournament or directly affects you in some way, why do you care what some random dude posts on a forum?

yes

no doubt its top 3 and its funny how so many guys that are anti-HF and like to post about it also like to make sure everyone knows that ..."believe me, I could afford to hunt any HF I wanted to, but..."

I am pro- any means of legal hunting.

I am anti- buttholes telling me I am wrong for hunting by any legal means.

To the people that are put off by the 'like livestock' and 'domesticated animals' mindset. The stereotype your envisioning exists but it isn't the only type of HF operation. The very best are the ones with very large enclosed pastures with self reproducing herds where the only interaction with people are the filling of feeders and hunting. The next best type are the breeding operations where the stockers are released into the pasture at 18 months and mature there. Either operation, when hunting most species that retain a high degree of wildness, will result in a pretty fair hunting test. Almost all animals can become habituated to humans with excessive contact. When you take habituated animals, release them into a pasture days or even hours before a hunt, you the have the stereotype of the canned hunt. To get the foundation stock for a self reproducing herd or sourcing stockers or breeders there needs to be a livestock industry. When selecting a hunt you have to take into account the species your hunting, Corsican sheep with centuries of domestication, can not hope to have the wildness of an Axis, Sika, or even an Urial sheep.

it usually isn't someone random, some guides are the worst and when they're lying about their clients fish for marketing purposes it is a disservice to their future clients and also all the other honest guides. I carry my own Cul-M-Rite on guide trips which I confirm yearly accurate to hundredth of pound. The only 10+ Largemouth I ever caught took to Oak Ridge to be certified at 12.18. It is so hard and special to catch a 10 pounder and should remain that way. In last 5 years I've caught about 20 accurate 8 pounders and 5 accurate 9 pounders. Some of the 9 pounders guide was saying "that is definitely a 10 pounder" until you weigh it.

I usually don't say anything if an individual. Pictures are so deceptive as you know, especially fish. I've had 8 pounders look like 6 pounders and 8 pounders like 12 pounders. I also think individuals have to sleep with their own lies. Commercial operations that lie and hurt others financially is another story.

All my game measurements are dry by official scorer, usually the result is 5-10% less than the green camp score.



I would agree it is top 3 and even #1 for most. you do see great deals on small cull deer HF, but nothing can beat a free public land hunt or a $800 lease. How big of HF deer can I get for price of my Dall and Stone Sheep hunts? I know Cody Malone was advertising a 300+ for $13k. I think everyone also realizes that big LF deer are more expensive inch for inch than HF deer if targeting that special deer and successful. Guys will easily pay over $20k for a Whitetail that will make book, much less 200 net.

One of the foundation attacks on LF guys like myself is we have a bigger ego, I wonder then why HF guys are so focused on the gigantic 180-300" deer? Is that simply because those HF deer with big racks taste better because they can't run around as fast.

You mean, its not the same as going to a stocked tank and catching 10 pounders all weekend long?
Wait, that is kind of like hunting in a .......never mind!

I think there is a subset of all hunters that just have to compete on trophy size which can be argued separately from the HF/LF debate. Throw in trying to compare HF vs LF trophies takes it to another level. You can even extend the debate to wilderness vs managed populations. I really don't care about the arguments, because I hunt what I like, more than for particular size trophy. A mature animal, taken on poor ground with little trophy value, is just as satisfying to me as a true trophy. When hunting a particular cull buck within a herd of trophies, that cull becomes a trophy, because it's rarer than a true trophy.

Still waiting for response 4 pages ago....

Talk about fishing stock tanks, this brings back some memories when I was a teenager and me and by buddies used to hit up these "running" lakes in East Texas pulling 10lb bass out like they where nothing. I remember one lake a friend caught a 15+# what I believe they called a Cuban Hybrid largemouth in about a 10 acres pond. We broke a lot of lines on some real big fish. In comparison, I have never caught a bass over 5#'s in a large lake. We lost a few fishing polls and tackle boxes along the way and got a few scraps running through briars and over barbed wire fences, but it was fun. BTW, the statute of limitations is up for all you wannabe game wardens and Barnie Fifes.

Just go back to sleep....try counting sheep jumping the fence. Oh wait, they can't jump the fence!

Salmon laying eggs, bears, size of stocked tank...yeah, I have no response. Sorry to keep you waiting. If you don't get the point, there is no reason to explain. You can't explain anything on here in 10 pages.

You're funny. I guess because I hunt both sides it only counts if it pleases you.


Once again you dodge the question... with a sleight of hand.... ... Throw out an insult....My question to you was about your comparison of fishing a tank to hf. Therefore once again what is the difference between a stock tank and a stocked lake? What size difference has been established in your mind. 1 acre, 10 acres 100 acres. Where do you draw the line on "fair chase fishing" My guess is you have an agenda of condemnation!

Oh by the way I don't need to count sheep to sleep my freedom of choice lets me sleep just fine. Wow America is great.