Are you sick of the price gouging?

I guess he doesn't believe in capitalism.

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I've also got my truck and we raise our own animals. . . . "My type of folk" are realistic. Plain and simple. This goes beyond capitalism. . . But I guess if you feel better about yourself for trying to jack the price of an AR up through the roof then go for it. More power to you. Sleep well as a thief.

People are as predictable as sheep! This AR ordeal has to be the biggest most ridiculous pile of chit I have ever seen , seriously! I laughed at all the guys that did this chit back in 08/09 when dummy got elected and now I am laughing even louder cuz its even worse this go around. I bought an AR about a month ago just cuz I thought it might fit a niche, decided not to go too cheap so I got a Colt. I shot maybe 40 rounds through it, killed a nice 8pt buck with it and thought yeah its kinda cool but it was not the be all end all of anything to me. As soon as the prices sky rocketed after that douche bag shot them kids in Conn I put it up for sale and sold it for $2200 and bought a real nice hunting rifle with the profits. Didn't need an AR back in 08/09 and don't really need an AR right now. This panic purchasing that is going on is absolutely retarded and unnecessary at every level, but to each their own, its their panic....and their money so deal with both as you see fit.

Dang it, again your making sense. Please stop it, the ammo hoarding is whats making me nuts. People just freaking out about ammo, aye yie yie. Damn Obamas sold more guns than he'll ever get rid of.

ok...so what your saying is the sale of ammo and AR accessories should be regulated in regards to price, right?

if thats the case then they will also regulate, when, where, and how much a person can buy.

Forget that noise

My god, you really do love an argument dont ya? It doesnt have anything to do with regulating. Its a simple statement, people who are jacking the prices up and are creating this fear are the problem. When, in any of my posts, have you ever read anything about me calling for the regulation of anything by the government? The government is the last thing I want involved with ANYTHING. Especially firearms.

In the market for a mini 14 for yotes but not at theses prices. I will wait

I am more interested in who is buying all these guns. Most people I know wont buy one right now beacuse of the price hike and if you are looking to buy another one I am sure you will wait like a normal person for prices to go back to normal. Will anyone here admit you have purchased one recently and paid the high price tag?

Like mentioned before it's supply and demand. Its only gouging if its a product that you HAVE to HAVE to live.

I'm sick of the lack of supply. Got a trip planned for Dallas in 2 weeks maybe someone there has reloading components. We don't have a big selection in Odessa/Midland especially these days.

Happens everywhere. Happens at some places more than others. It is a real shame too. If folks are worried about your guns and liberties being taken away, I would want to get more out to law bidding citizens , faster to make it harder on the government.

So what about magazines and ARs on Gunbroker that start at $.01 without a reserve and they sell for 2-5x MSRP? I guess the seller of these auctions are taking advantage of people and making them bid?!?! You need to get real.

I have not paid the high price tag but I guess I fall in the thief category according to nice shot. Buddy came over and we were talking guns and he continually tried to buy my mini 14 target rifle. After saying no 100 times as I had no interest in selling it he pulls out $2500 and I couldn't refuse. Call me a thief, call me a gouger but I couldn't pass that offer up. So the answer is yes people are paying crazy amounts to to get what they WANT and not BEING forced to pay high prices for what they NEED which implys price gouging.

Someone paid you $2,500 in cash (US currency) for a Ruger mini14?

I'm so lost for words I dont even know what to say regarding that. . . . I wouldnt pay cash for one, let alone a pay check. . . .

Nope, I believe in capitalism, I just dont believe in price gouging

Like mentioned before it's supply and demand. Its only gouging if its a product that you HAVE to HAVE to live.

Nope, I believe in capitalism, I just dont believe in price gouging and making a mess of the firearms industry.

how do you expect to get a strong backing of 2nd ammendment supporters when such a small group of gun owners are cornering the market and making it impossible for everyone to get their hands on a gun? I'd rather have 100 people with an AR vs 10 people with 10 AR's, which is what is happeneing here and on every other gun site.

And people are worried about fienstein. . . Im more worried about my fellow gun owners damaging the industry vs her old [censored].

Nope, I believe in capitalism, I just dont believe in price gouging

Supply and demand. These rifles aren't bread and water. It's a luxury item. Why should someone sell them for less than the current market rate?

This argument happens on this forum very regularly.

Usually it's in the form of GREEDY LANDOWNERS charging OUTRAGEOUS rates to lease their land out to hunters. Even though most of of the time there is a line of people waiting to pay those rates and happy to do so.

Now it's PRICE GOUGING on assault rifles and ammo? Even though there's a line of people waiting to happily pay those prices.

Very simple example of Demand > Supply. Both cases.

The only problem I have with current supply and demand are people feeding the hype with certain catch frazes such as....

GET IT WHILE YOU CAN!!!!
LAST ONES MADE BEFORE THE IMPENDING BAN!!!!

People can sell stuff for what ever they want...but when the guy at the gun counter at Academy here in Austin tells me there are a couple of guys who are drawing unemployment who know the shipping dates they get stuff in and are camped out in lawn chairs to buy any AR's so they can put them on gun broker and they had to start putting the 9mm & .223/556 behind the counter to keep these guys from scooping it all into a shopping cart.....

I HAVE A MAJOR PROBLEM WITH THAT!

If your waiting to get an AR and have a work schedule where you can do that - then more power to you!

If your drawing a check and your camped out so that you can resell and exploit the hype - and exploit a store thats not charging over market prices.....THEN F*&% YOU!

I didnt believe him so he told me to drive by on one of their shipping days at 6am....Sure enough their they were in lawn chairs with coffee!

Don't have a problem with any of the above you mentioned, as a: there plain and simply isn't a big problem with welfare recipients cornering the market; and b. you're totally ignoring the other side of the situation: A bunch of people over buy during the run up thinking it won't end, and then are stuck with a ton of inventory they can't unload at their own cost. These people profiteering are not without risk in this.

The current political climate is a very real threat to ARs and ammo prices. The market is behaving as it should. You think you'd be so mad right now if by chance you had scooped up 10 ARs and 20,000 rounds a few months ago in anticipation? People long guns and ammo are doing nicely right now.

I didnt say welfare I said UNEMPLOYEEMENT!

OH AND YES I DID STOCK UP MONTHS BACK!

If you bought months before this and are selling then good for you.....but I bet if you bought months ago your not standing infront of academy at 6am dreaming of everything you can post on gunbroker (or this forum) an hour after you get home.

BUT the market is being kept where it is because of the "campers" infront of stores buying simply to resale....

If they are buying at regular prices and have stockpiles left over they are NOT HURT ONE BIT!!!! ..they still have enventory at fair retail price!

The other side is the man who had no use for a AR-15 but now that his golf buddies have them and he doesnt he wants to buy 5 at $3,000 each he may be stuck with 5 rifle that he has never fired and over paid for......and I have NO SIMPATHY just like the guy who will be sitting on 10,000rnd of .223 going "well at least i can shoot it"

If there wasnt a problem with people snatching up everything stores like academy and selling it online for a profit - then why are stores in Austin limiting people to 300rnds of 9mm and and 1 Pmag per customer and keeping them behind the counter!

This speaks volumes for the ethics of Academy and one of the reasons why I shop there!

The stores don't want people doing that because they want to be able to service all of the customers and they know there is a higher street value currently than their shelf value. It's not worth it for a store like Academy to piss its loyal customers off by gouging them.

The point remains, however, and you're just not grasping it: The people camping and scooping up inventory to resell at higher prices are just a subset of the market as a whole. Same thing happens with Xboxes, dolls, Iphones, etc. You don't get to decide who spends their money opportunistically because they think prices will continue to rise. They don't get to decide when the bubbles pops, and yes, many of them will be left holding devalued inventory if the ban doesn't go through.

Sorry it's inconvenient. Sorry you don't like people trying to make a buck by buying low, selling high. That's the American way and it has been for years. This just happens to be a particular segment that strikes you personally. Were you similarly enraged when people were scooping up Cabbage Patch Kids dolls?

It's not going to last forever. Or if some severe ban is passed, these people will end up looking very smart.

I am going nuts with this BS high priced crap. I almost punched a guy that tried to sell me a Pmag for 65 bucks. And my Friend just asked me if I wanted to by his "tactical" MINI 14 for $2,400... give me a flipping break. If i could cuss I would.

I would be very surprised if manufacturers are not running 24/7 right now trying to cash in on the current demand and prices.

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I have a degree in marketing so believe me I have a grasp on the market; you are correct it is no different then beenie baby's

These are not the people who are buying low and selling high that I speak of, that would meen that they bought at market rate before demand and then sold as demand increase.

IF YOU BUY AT RETAIL AND THE MARKET GOES DOWN YOU STILL HAVE MERCHANDISE WORTH RETAIL!!!!! ....thats what you are not grasping.

If I were to walk into academy and buy 5 mags at $15 each and the minute I walk out the store this situation does a complete reversal and EVERY store in the country magically has them on the shelf for $15.....GUESS WHAT-

I WOULD STILL HAVE RETAIL VALUE IN MY 5 MAGS.
Therefore the people scooping things up because they are camped out are in NO DANGER of loosing money- worst case senario is they have alot of stuff at current retail value - which is exactly what they paid for it!

The only people taking risk are the ones buying at inflated prices.

This is a free country- but im not buying your

"People who camp out while your at work and then try to sell for 300% profit are doing the GREAT AMERICAN THING TO DO!"

"Thats the American way!" (just like sub-prime mortgages)

version of it

So yes I am fully grasping the subset of the market as a whole...and that subset is having a disproportional effect on the market as a whole!

Oh and its not strikeing me personally one bit because I bought what I wanted and then some taking risk before the panic hit....

And yes the beenie babys did anger me- when people where buying the happy meals at McDonalds for the toys - 20meals at a time and throwing perfectly good food in the trash so they could keep the $0.25 toy!

Wow-talk about looking for something to worry about! These companies have a reputation to protect, why would they tarnish it now? Do you just go out of your way to worry about stuff?

Speaking of small minded:
It is amazing to me to see people keep a thread going by saying it is a waste of space, or what this again, or please no more, or let it die. When in fact they are posting and keeping a thread going, DUH!

Speaking of small minded:
It is amazing to me to see people keep a thread going by saying it is a waste of space, or what this again, or please no more, or let it die. When in fact they are posting and keeping a thread going, DUH!