GMC Ford or Ram 2500

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I am thinking about buying new to me 3/4 ton truck.

2020-2022 under $65k

AT4, Lariat, or Laramie

What say you?

Currently in a 2016 Ram 2500 cummins Laramie

1. Ford
2. Ram
3. See #1, then 2

Option one Ford
Option two slightly older Ford
Option three even slightly older Ford

Running my 4th super duty, my current 2013 is approaching 300K and have no future plans of replacing it

What's wrong with the 2016 Ram? That Cummings should be good for 200-300K.

Besides gettting rear ended, nothing really.

Just got the itch.

Running strong with 120k miles.

I guess I should have included, I am still considering just keeping what I have.

I just bought electric lockers for my 2014 Ram. It’s still running strong at 225,000 miles. Sure I’ve replaced stuff, which is to be expected with how I drive it. It doesn’t rattle in the cab. The engine doesn’t leak. The transmission is still working great. It’s got dents and scratches that I’d rather not replicate on a new $95,000 truck.

Simple answer: keep the one you have and bank the cash

We are currently running a couple of Cummins ('09 ~210k & '22 ~45k) and are number 9 & 10 since 1991, well over 1.5 million total miles accumulated over the past 33 years. I have no reason to look outside the higher end package Dodge (now Ram) when ready to upgrade next. I've heard good things about the Fords though. I would have to look very close between the Chevy & Ford if I ever did decide to shift to another brand and also what my main needs were.

We've had numerous GM products over the last ~50 years, mostly for my wife (several old 6.2l & 6.5l diesel suburban, traverse, various model cars) and they all seem to drive really well and decent fuel mileage/longevity. The seating arrangement fits both of us pretty good too (she's 5'5" and 6'3").

Keep whatcha got.

I am enjoying my 2022 gasser Silverado 2500. At times, I wish I still had my '15 F-250 Lariat though.

Tundra

Like with women….cheaper to keep her! But sometimes it’s worth the cost to trade….

Probably needed someone to tell me to keep what I have. It really has everything I need

Tundra just doesnt do what 3/4 ton trucks do.

I have owned two of them

I'd rather have a CP3 than a CP4.

I own all 3 brands currently, Meh on 1 being any better than the other.

In the past 5 years I have had new 3/4 or 1 ton diesels from all three brands. None of them did the job better than the others nor did any of them have more issues than the others. It really boils down to personal preference. Which one do you like the look of? Which interior do you like? If you are looking for some sort of quantifiable significant difference between them there isn’t one. Go drive all three and buy the one that you like.

This is the correct answer

Any of the three I would feel confident owning. You might want to get a few quotes on all three and see which is your best bang for the buck and that may help your decision. Get a quote Mark Dodge for ordering a Ram. The build delivery times are faster than when I ordered mine and no one could come close to matching the price. And it is my understanding the base msrp pricing came down significantly just a week ago. We ultimately went with the Ram last year because we had been real happy with the Ram truck we traded in.

I have a Dodge dealership right down the road from my house.

From Covid thru present day, they always had inventory of trucks.

They are offering big incentives right now which Ford and GM are not doing on 3/4 tons

All three brands are good, it’s usually a hit and miss on the Lemons. Like said above, go sit in each cab and pick the one that appeals to you.

My order would be.
1.Ford
2. GMC
3.Chevrolet
4. Tundra
5. Anything but a Ram.

Thank you for the input. I am sure I will end up keeping what I have for awhile but someone may tempt me with a good deal if I see one.

And Superduty, If you had answered differently, you would have to change your name

I believe all the Truck brands are just fine. Yes, you could get a lemon. SO, I judge on Looks.

IMO

Hard to beat the GMC 2500 AT4
Chevy Silverado Back Countery
Tundra TRD Off Road
Dodge
Ford (stale looks)

Well only 1 of those 3 wont leave you on the side of the road, and its not Ford or GMC.
I hear Ram is coming out with a new, beefier automatic in 2025

Why would they need a beefier automatic?

From what I've seen lately, it's the GM trucks that need a beefier (or reliable) tranny (the mechanical type, not the BigPig type).

The transmission in the ram can’t handle the hp and torque modern diesels produce.

That’s why the Cummins is significantly weaker (it has been detuned) than the powerstroke or duramax

To match a possible new higher output cummins engine.

I'd keep the 2016.

I knew that, I wanted him to tell us how great the little 6 cylinder was

Back in 18’ my buddy bought a new 6 speed Cummins single cab. I called and asked him how he liked it, he was complaining it was sort of a dog.

I looked up the specs and it was de-tuned to something like 350 hp and 650 ft.lbs. Those are 2008-era numbers!

I like the dodge models that are out. When I get ready I might switch to one. My '14 F250 has 80k miles are runs like a scalded ape so I will try to get a few more years on it.

I'll put it this way.... i bought one with the 5.9 V8 so i dont have to put a vp44 on the diesel every few years.

Thought they have gone back to the CP3 in 23? I know to avoid 19-22ish.

Your 16 might have a bad turbo actuator but other than that should be good to go. I am planning to die with my 2015 since I can’t afford to replace it so I drive it as little as possible.

I've been out of the Cummins game for a while, but I believe Ram had a CP3 up to 2018 (both 5.9 and 6.7). Then went CP4 in 19 and 20. In 2021, Ram went back to the CP3. I believe there was also a recall that would retrofit CP3 pumps into 19 & 20 MY trucks.

GM also got rid of the CP4, but Ford still runs it. There's no shortage of CP4 implosions on the Ford forums and it seems Ford doesn't really want to address the fragility of the CP4.

Someone told me the CP4 was designed for the European market where the diesel has lubricant added. On my 2016 duramax which has the CP4 i have added Hotshots Diesel Extreme to every tank from day one. Additionally i changed the fuel filter twice as often as spec'd in the hopes of extending injector life. Both of those things were done because of the known issue with the CP4 and also the cost of an injector job. It's anecdotal but the truck has 340k miles (548k kilometres) and is still running on the factory injectors and pump. That being said my spidy sense has been tingling so i traded it on Saturday for a new 2024 HD diesel ZR2.

Sounds like a Cab & Chassis model, that’s the only ones they detune.

You’ll never that my truck has been a great truck, keep a vehicle for 10 years and report back to me when your opinion matters

You are not wrong - age matters. It is not that simple though. Equally and/or sometimes more important are miles driven and type of usage. A 7 year old truck with 300k+ miles on it used hard is a better metric than a 10+ year old truck used mostly lightly with 100k to 200k on it. If i can't get 300k+ miles of hard usuage without major repairs i am not interested. For me that has consistently been a Duramax (not saying a Ford or Dodge couldn't do it - just have no experience in that regard). Have put over 1,000,000 miles on 3 Duramax trucks and 4th is being picked up on Thursday.

Ram will hold the least value over time. If that doesn't matter (it does not to me as I keep vehicles forever), pick the one you like the best.

We (GM guys) haven't had injection pump problems since before the L5P came out in 2017.

GM transmission problems are not with the 2500 and 3500. It's the 6L80/85E (half tons) that are crap. Nothing comes with it any more really.

F***s are ugly as sin but they seem to stand up and hold value.

Ten years and only 80,000 miles?
Yeah, you’re good for a long while.

Ford “holds value” mainly because they constantly change the exterior look which drives demand to have the latest and greatest.

Ram went from 2012-2018 before changing the front end look and minor interior change. That doesn’t drive demand to buy a new one, and tends to lower resale value

My Ram 4x4 performance blows away my old Chevy 4x4 performance.

I read the HD 25s across the board are going to the new ZF Powerline 8 speed.

I would just look at examples of all three, pick the best deal on the one with the lowest miles in the best condition. Preferably 4X4, but don’t buy a lifted truck.

Based on looks alone, the Dodge. My personal preference in looks. Other than that it doesn’t really matter IMO. I have driven all three brands and had pretty good luck with all of them.

I'm in a 2016 Ram 3500 dually, 4X4, Laramie, Cummins

148,000 and I hope to keep it another ten years or greater.

I had a 2001 Cummins from 2001 to 2008. 2008 Cummins from 2008 to 2016. And now this one.

I've had the shortest list of "problems", I can't even bring them up. Replacing them these days is so ridiculous, the next time I need a truck, I might build a 4 door truck on a 1979 Ford chassis and get out of the diesel engine business all together. It would still be cheaper than $100K

That and the disintegrating interiors Rams have.

They detuned the trucks with the g56 tranny. The factory clutch was junk in them and would slip with anything over stock power. My factory clutch would slip with a 30hp tune with a 16' trailer hauling the buggy.

A new clutch and some good tuning turns them into a completely different animal. Still miss mine and wished I wouldn't have sold it.

The 2025 Ram is also doing away with the

I also noticed with the 2025 transmission change they are doing away with the standard output cummins and putting the high output cummins in all the HDs for 2025.