Texas Hunting Forum

Cat Converter Deterrent

Posted By: Brother in-law

Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/25/22 10:37 PM

Any of y'all running an aftermarket " skid plate " deterrent? Which brand


I have a Tundra if that matters
Posted By: Buzzsaw

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/25/22 10:45 PM

whatever you can find in stock. Buy you enough time to grab your ball bat and bust some heads.
Posted By: Jimbo1

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/25/22 11:25 PM

Originally Posted by Buzzsaw
whatever you can find in stock. Buy you enough time to grab your ball bat and bust some heads.

The hell with grabbing a bat...I'm putting holes in them.
Posted By: Greg

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/25/22 11:28 PM

Bastards are quick, too. A family member had theirs cut out while eating at Red Lobster the other day.
Posted By: bigbob_ftw

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/25/22 11:31 PM

Barb wire welded on.
Posted By: Bee'z

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/25/22 11:33 PM

Nvm...
Posted By: ntxtrapper

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/25/22 11:39 PM

I've done search warrants where the cats were piled up on one side of the shop and the shields were piled up on the other side. They sell the shields for scrap too.
Posted By: The Dude Abides

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/26/22 12:24 AM

[Linked Image]
Posted By: Simple Searcher

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/26/22 12:28 AM

So you have to drill out the rivets, or pry them loose?
Posted By: The Dude Abides

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/26/22 12:34 AM

Not rivets. They are a special bit.

[Linked Image]

Yep, bring the drill. Increase exposure, give me more time to catch them. Two knees sticking out from my truck, perfect target. They will need a physical therapist for life if I catch them. "Lucille" or Pew Pew Pew!!!! Build your security in layers make them go to the next truck, probably an easier target. Just sayin!
Posted By: The Dude Abides

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/26/22 12:38 AM

I don’t know the brand. Go talk to a service person (Mike I think) at Longo Toyota in Prosper. My truck is a company truck they just told us to have it installed.
Posted By: KRoyal

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/26/22 12:58 AM

I have a full bumper skid plate setup from ICON Racing. Not sure if they make anything for your truck. The dealership has already cross threaded 3 of the bolts that hold it on after doing oil changes. Damn degenerates. Good thing it’s held on by like 20 bolts. It’s almost a deterrent for them to do an oil change I’m sure it’s a good deterrent for thieves.
Posted By: Ranch Dawg

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/26/22 04:21 AM

Make sure it’s night time if ya choot em.
Posted By: BigPig

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/26/22 04:39 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude Abides
Not rivets. They are a special bit.

[Linked Image]

Yep, bring the drill. Increase exposure, give me more time to catch them. Two knees sticking out from my truck, perfect target. They will need a physical therapist for life if I catch them. "Lucille" or Pew Pew Pew!!!! Build your security in layers make them go to the next truck, probably an easier target. Just sayin!


They won’t bring a drill. Thief’s are lazy and go for fast easy targets. They are going to roll under with a sawsall and be done in about 30 seconds. If they had to have a drill, jack, and a saw, they will pass
Posted By: BigPig

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/26/22 04:44 AM

Two vehicles not to own right now are Tundras and GM trucks. Tundras make up close to half of the cats stolen in Dallas, and GM trucks are getting stolen like crazy.

1 watch at 1 station had 158 stolen vehicles in the month of July, vast majority were GM trucks.
Posted By: Sneaky

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/26/22 11:07 AM

Dang!
Posted By: unclebubba

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/26/22 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by BigPig
Two vehicles not to own right now are Tundras and GM trucks. Tundras make up close to half of the cats stolen in Dallas, and GM trucks are getting stolen like crazy.

1 watch at 1 station had 158 stolen vehicles in the month of July, vast majority were GM trucks.

Why GM and Toyo? Are the other brands not worth as much?
Posted By: Gumbeaux

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/26/22 01:44 PM

Lower it. Best deterrent out there.

[Linked Image]
Posted By: The Dude Abides

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/26/22 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by Gumbeaux
Lower it. Best deterrent out there.

[Linked Image]

^^^ roflmao roflmao roflmao
Posted By: bagster

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/26/22 02:57 PM

I wonder why the auto makers don't design things to make converters harder to steal?
Posted By: ducknbass

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/26/22 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by BigPig
Two vehicles not to own right now are Tundras and GM trucks. Tundras make up close to half of the cats stolen in Dallas, and GM trucks are getting stolen like crazy.

1 watch at 1 station had 158 stolen vehicles in the month of July, vast majority were GM trucks.



I read that as one (of many) places not to live. Dallas.
Posted By: dkershen

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/26/22 03:15 PM

I was going to ask why Tundra's are favored as well. Easy access??

TXHOGSLAYER had someone bust a thief stealing his Toyota cat yesterday. Got lucky that they ran and left it behind, so it's being welded back in this morning.
Posted By: BigPig

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/26/22 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by unclebubba
Originally Posted by BigPig
Two vehicles not to own right now are Tundras and GM trucks. Tundras make up close to half of the cats stolen in Dallas, and GM trucks are getting stolen like crazy.

1 watch at 1 station had 158 stolen vehicles in the month of July, vast majority were GM trucks.

Why GM and Toyo? Are the other brands not worth as much?


Tundras have easy access and more precious metal than most other.

GM because they are easy to steal
Posted By: LarryCopper

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/26/22 03:29 PM

I saw the same reports and have a Tundra. I looked at the shields last night and they seem to run $300+. Unless I'm missing something I can get both sets for around the same price. Not sold on the shield yet.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/3037863350...5O&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

Quote
One of the main reasons the Toyota Tundra is such a target for CC theft is that most of them have four Cats to swipe. But more than the amount of loot is the fact that the Cats are so easily accessible. The factory suspension height is such that thieves can quickly slide under with a saw and take what they please.

But more than anything else, Toyota is known for using more precious metals in their catalytic converters than other OEMs. Platinum, Rhodium, and Palladium act as catalysts to convert harmful gases such as carbon monoxide into less harmful gases like carbon dioxide as well as water. The more materials OEMs use, the higher quality of the part.
Posted By: The Dude Abides

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/26/22 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by LarryCopper
I saw the same reports and have a Tundra. I looked at the shields last night and they seem to run $300+. Unless I'm missing something I can get both sets for around the same price. Not sold on the shield yet.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/3037863350...5O&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

Quote
One of the main reasons the Toyota Tundra is such a target for CC theft is that most of them have four Cats to swipe. But more than the amount of loot is the fact that the Cats are so easily accessible. The factory suspension height is such that thieves can quickly slide under with a saw and take what they please.

But more than anything else, Toyota is known for using more precious metals in their catalytic converters than other OEMs. Platinum, Rhodium, and Palladium act as catalysts to convert harmful gases such as carbon monoxide into less harmful gases like carbon dioxide as well as water. The more materials OEMs use, the higher quality of the part.


Looks like cheap eBay garbage to me. You will end up spending much more on new cats, towing, repair labor, down time (shop) than you would if you bought the shields and had them installed at your next oil change. The shields are not full proof but they are a deterrent.
Posted By: Mickey Moose

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/26/22 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by Gumbeaux
Best deterrent out there.

...deleted diesel.
Posted By: gtrich94

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/26/22 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by KRoyal
I have a full bumper skid plate setup from ICON Racing. Not sure if they make anything for your truck. The dealership has already cross threaded 3 of the bolts that hold it on after doing oil changes. Damn degenerates. Good thing it’s held on by like 20 bolts. It’s almost a deterrent for them to do an oil change I’m sure it’s a good deterrent for thieves.


I have one from BudBuilt and it's the same thing. A million bolts and you have to take the damn thing off if you want to change the oil. I took mine off a few years ago when I changed deer leases and wasn't worried about Hill Country rocks tearing out my oil pan. The wife keeps telling me to put it back on, but I just can't get motivated to go back to taking the beast of a thing off and on every time I have to change the oil in the truck.
Posted By: Simple Searcher

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/26/22 11:23 PM

I bet thieves have them tamper proof bits, a full set is $7.49 on Amazon
Posted By: The Dude Abides

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/27/22 12:02 AM

Originally Posted by Simple Searcher
I bet thieves have them tamper proof bits, a full set is $7.49 on Amazon


I bet they do along with a cordless drill too.
Posted By: jeepercreeper

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/27/22 02:11 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude Abides
Originally Posted by Simple Searcher
I bet thieves have them tamper proof bits, a full set is $7.49 on Amazon


I bet they do along with a cordless drill too.


Wouldnt it be easier to just grind them off? Seems like it would take less than 60 seconds to grind off the heads, rip the aluminum plate off. I keep thinking about getting one of the plates but seem gimmicky.
Posted By: The Dude Abides

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/27/22 02:48 AM

Originally Posted by jeepercreeper
Originally Posted by The Dude Abides
Originally Posted by Simple Searcher
I bet thieves have them tamper proof bits, a full set is $7.49 on Amazon


I bet they do along with a cordless drill too.


Wouldnt it be easier to just grind them off? Seems like it would take less than 60 seconds to grind off the heads, rip the aluminum plate off. I keep thinking about getting one of the plates but seem gimmicky.


Probably, but like BP stated….thieves want to be in and out, minimal exposure time. Hardware is countersunk into steel plates. Gotta grind 11-12 off to get exposed to cats. Quicker to cut cats off without any deterrent. You have a nice Tundra too. A little protection is better than no protection. YMMV
Posted By: Bee'z

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/27/22 02:53 AM

I agree with the Dude. Using a grinder makes an awful lot of noise and visual effects. They carry a sawzall and want easy access.
Posted By: DocHorton

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/27/22 04:06 AM

Buddy of mine had his stolen a couple weeks ago in the parking lot of Fieldhouse while he was inside for a volleyball game. They hit four in the same parking lot all at once, and I think he said they were all Tundras. Cops told him they use a sawzall and have them cut off in about a minute.

I would bet if they saw the skid plate they would immediately move on to the next truck.
Posted By: Sewer rat

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/27/22 04:47 AM

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRfnu5hQ/
Posted By: Buzzsaw

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/27/22 04:54 AM

Buddy's Tundra sitting in Toyota of Plano's lot. 60-90 days till cats get here

no bueno.
Posted By: Stump_jumper

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/27/22 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by BigPig
Originally Posted by The Dude Abides
Not rivets. They are a special bit.

[Linked Image]

Yep, bring the drill. Increase exposure, give me more time to catch them. Two knees sticking out from my truck, perfect target. They will need a physical therapist for life if I catch them. "Lucille" or Pew Pew Pew!!!! Build your security in layers make them go to the next truck, probably an easier target. Just sayin!


They won’t bring a drill. Thief’s are lazy and go for fast easy targets. They are going to roll under with a sawsall and be done in about 30 seconds. If they had to have a drill, jack, and a saw, they will pass

They do carry jacks. They use them on Prius' all the time. The OP needs to look on Tundras.com. there are several posts on the subject. 2 choices I know of in Texas for shields are Vallaha (took a stab at spelling) and Taco Tunes. Vallaha is in Houston area and Taco Tunes is in San Antonio. Vallaha offers a couple of materials and thickness.
Posted By: The Dude Abides

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/27/22 01:35 PM

Called dealership. This is what they installed on my truck. I was mistaken, MOC is aluminum not steel.

MILLERCAT






Posted By: DocHorton

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/27/22 02:17 PM

I'm wondering why the guys that have them stolen don't just get an aftermarket high flow catalytic converter? You can get one for $250. Why in the world does the dealership charge $4500??

Posted By: GasGuzzler

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/27/22 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by DocHorton
I'm wondering why the guys that have them stolen don't just get an aftermarket high flow catalytic converter? You can get one for $250. Why in the world does the dealership charge $4500??


The aftermarket ones don't keep the light off. Put one on and almost guarantee you'll get P0420 or P0430. If you don't care about the check engine light being on, just put a piece of pipe in its place for $40.

And to correct your second comment...dealers don't make up the price for anything entirely. They have a manufacturer's suggested retail price on parts just like everyone else. Labor? Well that is partly dependent on warranty labor rate...something they have little control over either.
Posted By: The Dude Abides

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/27/22 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by DocHorton
I'm wondering why the guys that have them stolen don't just get an aftermarket high flow catalytic converter? You can get one for $250. Why in the world does the dealership charge $4500??



Like I said previously...cost of the cat is not the only thing to consider...

Towing
Cat
Labor/Shop Time
Down Time / Loss of use...if you use you truck for work
Rental Truck

Toyota replacement cost is outrageous but anytime you take your vehicle to a dealership you're paying through the nose.
Posted By: GasGuzzler

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/27/22 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by bagster
I wonder why the auto makers don't design things to make converters harder to steal?

Why would the automaker give a crap? They don't care how hard it is to work on the vehicle so they really don't care if a part gets stolen.

Most of the ones we've seen are G-vans with a box on the back like furniture and rental stores use for delivery. That's so because there is a lot of room underneath to operate the saw and the vans are usually parked overnight in areas without homes and people to disturb. A local church had two vans hit one night then hit again in a couple days after repairs. The Rent-A-Center got nabbed twice, and the family owned furniture store got hit too (they have F**d vans though).
Posted By: GasGuzzler

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/27/22 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude Abides
anytime you take your vehicle to a dealership you're paying through the nose.

Up here the indies are as much or more than the dealers and if you take your vehicle to the wrong one, it'll be waaay more than our local dealers after they replace enough parts to fix the problem. Yes, there are bad employees at dealers too.
Posted By: Buzzsaw

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/27/22 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude Abides
Originally Posted by DocHorton
I'm wondering why the guys that have them stolen don't just get an aftermarket high flow catalytic converter? You can get one for $250. Why in the world does the dealership charge $4500??



Like I said previously...cost of the cat is not the only thing to consider...

Towing
Cat
Labor/Shop Time
Down Time / Loss of use...if you use you truck for work
Rental Truck

Toyota replacement cost is outrageous but anytime you take your vehicle to a dealership you're paying through the nose.

BIG TIME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted By: Sniper.270

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/27/22 03:43 PM

What is the huge market that leads to these being stolen? Same as the copper thefts?
Posted By: The Dude Abides

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/27/22 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by Sniper.270
What is the huge market that leads to these being stolen? Same as the copper thefts?


precious metals...palladium and platinum
Posted By: Stump_jumper

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/27/22 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude Abides
Originally Posted by Sniper.270
What is the huge market that leads to these being stolen? Same as the copper thefts?


precious metals...palladium and platinum

Authorities nabbed a big theft ring in Jersey that was shipping them overseas. Probably the result of scrap dealers in the U.S. that don't want to touch them any more. One advantage to taking a Tundra to the dealer is Toyota is providing rentals free of charge when insurance quits covering.
Posted By: DocHorton

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/27/22 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude Abides
Originally Posted by DocHorton
I'm wondering why the guys that have them stolen don't just get an aftermarket high flow catalytic converter? You can get one for $250. Why in the world does the dealership charge $4500??



Like I said previously...cost of the cat is not the only thing to consider...

Towing
Cat
Labor/Shop Time
Down Time / Loss of use...if you use you truck for work
Rental Truck

Toyota replacement cost is outrageous but anytime you take your vehicle to a dealership you're paying through the nose.


That still doesn't add up...it costs nothing to drive to a muffler shop and pay them $80 to weld in a new cat. No towing or rental truck needed. But, I guess if there are plenty of folks willing to pay $4500 for a new one then they will keep charging it, Lol.

Originally Posted by GasGuzzler
Originally Posted by DocHorton
I'm wondering why the guys that have them stolen don't just get an aftermarket high flow catalytic converter? You can get one for $250. Why in the world does the dealership charge $4500??


The aftermarket ones don't keep the light off. Put one on and almost guarantee you'll get P0420 or P0430. If you don't care about the check engine light being on, just put a piece of pipe in its place for $40.

And to correct your second comment...dealers don't make up the price for anything entirely. They have a manufacturer's suggested retail price on parts just like everyone else. Labor? Well that is partly dependent on warranty labor rate...something they have little control over either.


Have you tried it? Plenty of people put high flow cats on vehicles that are a lot more expensive and a lot more highly tuned than a Tundra. I had them on my GTR and never had any check engine lights. Maybe it wouldn't work, but folks have been doing it for decades on other vehicles.

I don't care either way, but there's got to be other options.....
Posted By: The Dude Abides

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/27/22 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by DocHorton
Originally Posted by The Dude Abides
Originally Posted by DocHorton
I'm wondering why the guys that have them stolen don't just get an aftermarket high flow catalytic converter? You can get one for $250. Why in the world does the dealership charge $4500??



Like I said previously...cost of the cat is not the only thing to consider...

Towing
Cat
Labor/Shop Time
Down Time / Loss of use...if you use you truck for work
Rental Truck

Toyota replacement cost is outrageous but anytime you take your vehicle to a dealership you're paying through the nose.


That still doesn't add up...it costs nothing to drive to a muffler shop and pay them $80 to weld in a new cat. No towing or rental truck needed. But, I guess if there are plenty of folks willing to pay $4500 for a new one then they will keep charging it, Lol.

Originally Posted by GasGuzzler
Originally Posted by DocHorton
I'm wondering why the guys that have them stolen don't just get an aftermarket high flow catalytic converter? You can get one for $250. Why in the world does the dealership charge $4500??


The aftermarket ones don't keep the light off. Put one on and almost guarantee you'll get P0420 or P0430. If you don't care about the check engine light being on, just put a piece of pipe in its place for $40.

And to correct your second comment...dealers don't make up the price for anything entirely. They have a manufacturer's suggested retail price on parts just like everyone else. Labor? Well that is partly dependent on warranty labor rate...something they have little control over either.


Have you tried it? Plenty of people put high flow cats on vehicles that are a lot more expensive and a lot more highly tuned than a Tundra. I had them on my GTR and never had any check engine lights. Maybe it wouldn't work, but folks have been doing it for decades on other vehicles.

I don't care either way, but there's got to be other options.....


You're assuming they have the parts in stock and labor available to immediately fix your issue which I doubt they will. Back on topic...cat theft deterrent shield is well worth the price and piece of mind. Not the end all be all but a deterrent nonetheless. Carry on.
Posted By: DocHorton

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/27/22 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude Abides


You're assuming they have the parts in stock and labor available to immediately fix your issue which I doubt they will. Back on topic...cat theft deterrent shield is well worth the price and piece of mind. Not the end all be all but a deterrent nonetheless. Carry on.


Makes sense, I agree.
cheers
Posted By: 68rustbucket

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/27/22 05:37 PM

We had a cat go bad on a Ford Expedition, had dealer diagnose the CEL. They told us to go to the local muffler shop for a replacement.
Posted By: jeepercreeper

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/28/22 01:37 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude Abides
Called dealership. This is what they installed on my truck. I was mistaken, MOC is aluminum not steel.

MILLERCAT




Dang, these are $600 once you add in the rear protector. Seems way overpriced for an aluminum plate. I may have found a shop local that has steel ones for $300ish. Trying to see if they are legit.
Posted By: Brother in-law

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/28/22 01:40 AM

Originally Posted by jeepercreeper
Originally Posted by The Dude Abides
Called dealership. This is what they installed on my truck. I was mistaken, MOC is aluminum not steel.

MILLERCAT




Dang, these are $600 once you add in the rear protector. Seems way overpriced for an aluminum plate. I may have found a shop local that has steel ones for $300ish. Trying to see if they are legit.


Let me know what you find. I would probably rather have aluminum but don’t care
Posted By: The Dude Abides

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/28/22 03:55 AM

Originally Posted by jeepercreeper
Originally Posted by The Dude Abides
Called dealership. This is what they installed on my truck. I was mistaken, MOC is aluminum not steel.

MILLERCAT




Dang, these are $600 once you add in the rear protector. Seems way overpriced for an aluminum plate. I may have found a shop local that has steel ones for $300ish. Trying to see if they are legit.


Yea, they are expensive but I didn’t pay for it, company did. You can afford it. I know your taste in quality guns. Good luck.
Posted By: Bee'z

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/28/22 04:05 AM

Aluminum makes that blade worthless alot faster than mild steel
Posted By: jeepercreeper

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/28/22 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude Abides
Originally Posted by jeepercreeper
Originally Posted by The Dude Abides
Called dealership. This is what they installed on my truck. I was mistaken, MOC is aluminum not steel.

MILLERCAT




Dang, these are $600 once you add in the rear protector. Seems way overpriced for an aluminum plate. I may have found a shop local that has steel ones for $300ish. Trying to see if they are legit.


Yea, they are expensive but I didn’t pay for it, company did. You can afford it. I know your taste in quality guns. Good luck.


I know, I know. They’re a helluva lot cheaper and less headache of replacing 4 cats. TBH, i knew cat theft was a problem but I had no idea Toyotas were the top target due to having 4 cats with high $ metals. I need to bite the bullet here. Any deterrent is a deterrent and better than nothing.
Posted By: The Dude Abides

Re: Cat Converter Deterrent - 08/29/22 03:39 PM

For Tacoma owners...

© 2024 Texas Hunting Forum