Kyle Rittenhouse trial

What are the THF predictions of the outcome?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/kyle-rittenhouse-trial-victim-instigator-opening-statements

In a fair world he would be acquitted. In the present world they will find him guilty of something and send him to prison.

I wonder if this will come out?

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/fbi-sat-bombshell-footage-kyle-rittenhouse-shooting

He SHOULD be found not guilty of murder, but convicted on the gun charge, the gun charge is legit according to law, I’ll give them that, as far as the shooting, he’s lucky he was carrying the gun or he’d be a dead man, I have no doubt.

Completely agree.

agree with Thundervee

Bet he wishes he'd have stayed home though.

hes toast and I give him props for turning the other guys life of crime around .



DAMN......... Talk about a bullet wound . He will think twice about acting up for the rest of his life.

FBI holding back footage, believe that?

Nawwww, they wouldn’t do chit like that

Prayers up for the young man.

This. Right or wrong, you can’t fight the gun charge

agreed...
In a fair world. He wouldn't be charged, in the first place..

And that's fair.

If the jurors follow Wisconsin's Castle Doctrine law, they will reject his claim of self defense.

What is the gun charge? Straw purchase? Crossing state lines? Brandishing?

Is he a felon? Is he an American? What did he do wrong?

Rittenhouse was charged with two counts of homicide, one count of attempted homicide, reckless endangering and illegal possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18. I heard there is some gray area regarding the gun charge but I don't know what that is.

He was underage, 17 to have purchased that AR gun type at least in WI. Was bought by his 20 yo friend whom is under federal charges for purchasing for a minor. Kid was in wrong place at wrong time; was a purely policing matter with the BLM issues going on. No time for vigilante actions by a minor that didn't even live in that city and/or state, IMO. Most likely will be convicted and probably deservedly so.

Looks like if he'd of hit bone that arm would of just fell off. I hope we find out what brand/caliber of ammo he was using. Looks like good SD load!

LET"S GO BRANDON!!!

for those that dont know about the song it was breaking all the top music charts . Even kicked adele to the curb. The the media their tech giants started to censor and block the song. The have to keep the lie alive............

It's a misdemeanor there with 9 months in jail being the maximum sentence. I doubt the prosecutors will even want the jury to consider it.

https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/948/60

The wise man does all he can to avoid having to use his self defense firearm in public, much less go looking for an opportunity.

Real men stand up and prevent others from being victimized.

sounds like the trial is going well for him so far.

When they come to torch your town I’ll remember your stance on neighbors helping neighbors.

Two kinds of evil men exist. Those that do evil and those that watch others doing evil and do nothing


American men are very soft. Glad to see there are still some hard individuals coming up.

Guess we all better just tuck tail and hide and let the bad guys run amok.

How many Police officers did we see in Kyle's videos?

Maybe you did not see him running for his life.

At least the judge is using his brain in this trial

I look at Rittenhouse as the victim. He just won the fight. I saw him attacked with a skateboard and he also killed an unsupervised sex offender. I’m not clear on how it started.
I also think he should had turned himself in at the scene.

But, I don’t know how Wisconsin self defense is defined. In Texas you cannot be armed and provoke a fight and then claim self defense. Which will probably be argued by the prosecutors.
In Texas you cannot be breaking the law above a class c misdemeanor and claim self defense. Which the prosecutors will probably try to argue as well.

Watch the leaked FBI video with thermal imaging. You can see the dude hiding behind a car. Kyle was putting out fires that this guy was starting. The dude ambushed him and several people take off after him. One of the other assaulters shot in the air and Kyle returned fire killing the first guy, then ran towards the police, but fell and was attacked again by the mob and you know the rest if you've watched the other videos that came out when it first happened.

There is a longer video out there, but I can't seem to find it anywhere.

If the 17 yo chubby high schooler from another state carrying an AR to a knife fight is your definition of "hard", you sure haven't gotten out much. He had no reason being there; was a policing matter plain and simple. Damn sure didn't need to illegally possess a firearm. As often said, "trouble finds those looking for it". Let the paid professionals local to that area take care of it.

Kid was no more helpful than Bobcat Goldtwaite from Police Academy would have been.

Removed 3 rioters/arsonists. I doubt Bobcat Goldthwait would have done as well.

He took out a serial child molester. He's should get off for that alone.

Should get the keys to the city!

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZM89EYDUG/

Dq loves child molesters

Watched a little of the trial at lunch. I didn't know that the guy with the pistol had actually discharged it. Will be interested in what new facts (FBI's drone footage!) come out.

I see Rittenhouse's youthful decision-making as an example of where obedience to moral imperatives parts ways with the law, at times. Looney people may argue that laws, not morality, create civilized societies, and I may disagree. Without a good person to administer, any set of laws can be twisted, misapplied, or ignored to serve any purpose.

We will choose one or the other of those- moral rules versus the state's rules. Some fail to see a difference, or don't realize that inaction is a choice too.

Some people see this guy as a reckless killer, accusing him of malicious intent (which is really better illustrated by the actions of those three tragic fools who apparently attacked him on video.) Some just see their team mates being killed and see Rittenhouse unmasked as the revenge target.

We're familiar with the pattern though: Violent people come along and destroy things, blame those they hate, demand taxpayer money, hurt people, kill people, and move others out. Every time they are permitted, they gain traction. Inertia grows in the police and the population. Proud cowards attack their neighbors who resist the mob, or who even agree with resistance. It's a very effective process- you have to collapse a society to make everyone hungry enough to accept the new rules. And the those who help out get to be first in the bread line, lol.

How will they address the next round of riots?

One of Rittenhouse “victims”. Rosenbaum.

Well said Sir.

I sure wish some would stop calling rioters that burn businesses, vehicles, homes, rob murder and beat people.....protestors. They are not [censored] protestors.

Our youth is being brainwashed into thinking that is what a protest is, and that it's ok as long as the victim is black. Right or wrong.

Example: My Nephew that is living with me right now and in the HS band recently returned from a football game. We played the Robstown Cotton Pickers like every year, which has a bunch of black kids in the school. I'm a night owl, so was up when he got home. I asked how did the game go, how did the band do? His response, "Man, I can't believe someone would name them the Cotton Pickers. Bunch of black kids called the Cotton Pickers. That's so messed up." SMH, I then told him "Did you know that there were more white and Mexican people that picked cotton here than black folks?" He said no, I thought just black people picked cotton.

Brainwashed by public education.

One of my customers is a retired teacher. I had a conversation with her the other day about kids and their behavior in school. It started out something like this:

The bullies and the kids that like to instigate things and start trouble always get away with it. They wait until one of the good kids kicks one of their asses to make a big deal out of it”

Her comeback was teachers have absolutely zero authority in schools. Neither does the principal. No accountability whatsoever, you have to ask them to go to the principals office and they have no authority either. And supposedly many have been fired over the smallest thing, even raising your voice or anything like that depending on who you are dealing with, who has a phone that’s recording etc all kinds of craziness, to the point she said f it I’m retiring and got a job working for dollar tree.

Those kids grow up to be the looters and rioters.

When I was a kid we got an extra lick every time you went to the principals office. Started at three and went up from there. And got it again when I got home.

First grade math teacher Mrs. Hussong had a drawer full of rulers for naughty children. I told my grandma she said well Mrs Hussong is my friend and sometimes y’all need a good whack.

Kids are not getting any discipline. The message they are getting is that [censored] can do what they want if you try to stop them you’ll get in trouble.

Hell it doesn’t even have to be corporal punishment. But do SOMETHING!

They grow up to be a$$hats. Or vagina hats. Loot, riot, etc.

Prayers up for Kyle Rittenhouse. Kid is a hero.

So fat it couldn't be going any worse for the prosecution.

That's a huge win for the good guys which is something the protected elite don't seem to understand.

Bet you would accept the help of like minded young people coming to help you if you were the one being picked on.

Sure seems like it huh…. SMH Bet he anti gun also.

He says he shouldn’t have been there, neither should the POS burning chit down.

Yeppers, amazing the bunny trails people will venture on to.

I wonder if DQ has a summer home in Spokane, sounds like he might live next to this guy
https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2021/nov/01/spokane-man-arrested-for-killing-daughters-boyfrie/

Wonder how much he donated to the perps go fund me?

I read that story the other day. If they ever made a Lifetime channel for men that would be on daily.

Do I think he should be convicted of murder? No.
Do I love child molesters? Absolutely not.

Do I think it’s odd that someone that doesn’t live in that city was out there with a firearm in the middle of the protests? Yes.

Sorry if that makes me a liberal to you guys.

How many of us on here took an illegally owned rifle up to a protest city and put ourselves in a situation like that? Zero.

Bump your 1st sentence is all that matters.

Hey, I was just joking around in my other post on the TFF about DQ. I seriously doubt he's into little boys.

with maturity comes wisdom. he was 17.

Illegal firearm?
I thought it read "Shall not be infringed" never seen the age limit on that.
But hey, you do you.
Every civilization requires subjects to submit to the will of authority.

True

Also very true

I’m not going to argue the constitutionality of gun laws. That’s the supreme courts job. But there’s a lot of laws pertaining to firearms out there. Good luck to you sir if you’re breaking them.

There's millions of fire extinguishers in America.

Why, when so many cities and town have fire departments?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
In a perfect world that would be the right way to handle it, local Law Enforcement being able to enforce the law and local politicians advocating citizens obeying the law or suffer the legal consequences.
Unfortunately the LEO's have their hands tied by the politicians who are scared to do anything that might offend anyone even if it means destroying their own community!

Am I condoning what this kid did, not really but I do admire his bravado to go and confront the other POS.
What I absolutely abhor is the evil & destruction from the POS from the left that has and is continuously trying to destroy our countries real values!

Keep in mind that some of the people in these so called protest, demonstration and riots are not just local people either!
The left provides transportation and sometimes pay their out of state dirt bags to invade and destroy other communities.

Sometimes just like in nature, the other side has to find a way to balance the situation out.

WTF is wrong with you guys? A guy offers a different opinion on a topic and you start calling him a f'in child molester? You're as bad as a the liberals/libtards/facist/whatever you piss and moan about on here.

I'm sorry, that is just over the line.

Charlie

I never implied he was a Child molester. But that he liked them. Big difference.

Carry on offended one

I don't know where he got to be a child molester and yes, that thought is off base, but the thought of a young good man joining up to help innocents whose local authorities refused to protect them is found rather admirable here.

Exactly. Reading comprehension

If Kyle does get convicted, do you expect the violent protests which stemmed from the King trial or the unfortunate George Floyd event?

Wasn't aware of anyone's criminal backgrounds and guessing it is irrelevant and inadmissible to the actions under trial from that night. In my book, two wrongs don't make a right, the rioters there and a minor in possession of an assault weapon performing policing duties, vigilante style. Anyone hoping for a non-conviction of any type for Rittenhouse is chasing a pipedream. At a minimum he'll be convicted of illegally possessing the firearm.

that would be a victory.

He shouldn’t have been there

But he was, and he popped some people that were trying to pop him. Not guilty of murder

his reason for being there is entirely irrelevant.

If that’s the case then the first bad guy being a child molester should also be. I believe you made a comment about that earlier no?

Before anyone gets out the pitchforks, I think he should get a slap on the wrist for the gun charge and walk on everything else. And I’m glad a child molester is dead

it's totally irrelevant. I still stand by what I said. the world is a better place.

And he should be convicted of illegally processing a firearm. He clearly should not be convicted of murder. That was 100% self defense. Right or wrong, My guess is that he will be convicted of much more than posessing a firearm, and less than Murder.

He had an AR-15, not an assault weapon. I would think any THFer would know the difference. The fact is he was there and his mere presence should not have provoked such an attack. He retreated, they caught him and died for their efforts. Oh well.

Just adding to the quarterbacking today. I think one reason he wound up in town with his med kit and AR was because he was young and idealistic and not worn down by apathy and fear. I got this from the video of him walking, callout out for anyone who needed medical attention, and his record of community service.

You say he shouldn't have had the firearm? He was looking for trouble? He may well get the book on the possession legal infraction. With the defendant's history, one quickly doubts the "just a dangerous bully" argument. True, he's just a kid still, and has to live with the memories of his actions in defense of his own life. That's a weight I for one don't have to bear or can even understand.

People say "Let the paid professionals...take care of it.", and I read this as the desire to have the government take care of us. It's not working, is it? Compare today to a time gone by for most of the country, when people stepped up to care and fight for their communities. Read how crime rates soar and plummet in big cities based on who's in charge and what they do. The bad ideas are back because that's the result they are after. Before technology started messing with our collective minds, people didn't feel so incapable or fearful of being punished by the government just for trying to protect their own property or lives. People weren't as isolated from neighbors, so it mattered personally when domestic terrorists showed up and were burning the community down. The government is unravelling generally, and we need to rebuild our fundamentals or we won't be coming back:
DAs firing prosecutors, crime increases

And, the owner of the car lots had given Rittenhouse and others permission to be there because another of his car lots had been burned the night before.

Right to be there is not an argument. As an American, Rittenhouse had as much right to voice his opinion as anyone. More so than the sex offender who was banned from being around juveniles. Since he raped at least 5 young boys.


As we saw, the protest then turned to targeting people eating dinner. Trying to push the limits. When someone’s freedom starts to interfere with others freedom, it is no longer acceptable.

Stopping traffic is not acceptable. Bullying people eating dinner is not acceptable. Chasing down those engaged in a different opinion is not acceptable.

The simple answer is. We have no idea what a jury will do. Based on what I have seen, no way he will be convicted of murder. The feds will not pursue him, due to he was 17.

I think he gets the gun charge and probation.

What's an assault rifle ?....


Yup... He had as much a right, to be there.. As anybody else...
btw- What's an assault rifle. ??

Well said RT

Anyone that calls an ar an assault weapon is a hippie.

People rioting and looting and burning down the city? Police do nothing.

Same place, man enjoying the outdoors with his family and didn’t wear a mask? Throw him on the ground, cuff him, drag him to prison.

We need a few more like Kyle Rittenhouse.

Speaking of freedoms. Anyone see Senator Joe Mancin get surrounded in a parking garage? I would think after the deadly force used to protect senators, this would be dealt with swiftly.

I guess not. I saw one old security guard trying to help him. As they were on his car.

He should have gunned it! All Lives Splatter!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UEz4hmgWk8

Those 2 "Hosts" looked like they were auditioning for jobs at MSNBC!

I always suspected he was a liberal, but now we know.

The biggest problem is using Texas logic for a Wisconsin trial. Their 2A views are much different up there, than down here.

Yes, they are probably more supportive of it than Texas. Good point.

I think only for their liberal politicians.

Fun fact: Wisconsin, more specifically a small town named Ripon, is the birthplace of the Republican Party.

No wonder democrats tried to burn the state down. Ripon is responsible for freeing the slaves! They can’t let it go.

Those 1860's Republicans have nothing in common with today's GOP.

It absolutely does. Democrats have and always will be the party of institutional racism.

We stopped in this store in Ripon, WI a couple of weeks ago.



You can buy liquor, lottery tickets, guns and ammo, and live bait all under one roof.

And it has an archery range next door.

Yeah my daughter thinks unicorns are real too.

Lol, greatness!

I think the jurors of Wisconsin will apply the law correctly. They were dang near held hostage in their homes during the insanity. You think random Wisconsinans we’re happy a child rapist was burning their city. No. The message will be sent.

Well, this blows the trial wide open...

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/...his-bombshell-line-of-questioning-watch/

well, did you think he was gonna lie about what we all saw on video?

Sorry, flower mound hippies.

Is that the dude with the abbreviated bicep?

Yep only one that got shot that is still breathing.

They cant quit now. To much time and money in it. Its not their money though

I saw a bunch of cities burn last year, or did I?

This doesn't make sense to me. The man has an LTC(expired), chooses to carry, chases a guy down and then draws. What was he planning on doing with it if not pull the trigger? He is either lying or a f'n idiot.

I was watching some attorneys on YT who explained that in Wisconsin, the burden is on the prosecution to prove it wasn’t self defense beyond a reasonable doubt.

That’s different from other states like Texas where the defendant must admit to the crime and then claim self defense as a justification for their actions.

I have watched the entire trial and there is no way Kyle could be found guilty. The prosecution hasn’t come anywhere close to providing any solid evidence that Kyle’s actions were not self defense beyond a reasonable doubt.

His defense attorney shredded the credibility of Mr. Unicep on cross examination on numerous points.

Can’t wait for the defense phase to start.

That is because Dryfire lives and bama and could not buy a clue it you loaned him $100

I haven't been watching this real close until yesterday and from what I witnessed yesterday the prosecution fell on it's face. The young man was attacked by several people multiple times and all of it's on video. Lefty got caught in a multitude of lie's and pretty much left the prosecution dumbfounded. I'm starting to think there might be a case for malicious prosecution in the future. I'm not sure about the firearms change some are speaking of and from what i read the judge isn't either but he left it in there. The one I see getting hit with a firearms charge should be Lefty, his was blatant.

Is it true that Lefty wasn't allowed to own a firearm?

Real simple on the firearms charge.
Judge finds him guilty, time served, have a nice life Kyle.

Hope we aren't overthinking this and that you are right.

Not sure about Lefty but I believe the two that died were both Felons.

When the news first broke it was said that dude with the ballistically augmented bicep was a felon as well, but after hearing he had a LTC which was expired I think maybe he was legal to own a firearm.

What gets me is how everyone is reacting to this. The prosecutor face palming in court and everyone freaking out about this revelation. It was blatantly clear when it happened and the first time I watched the video. The dude ran up on him with gun drawn, Kyle leveled off his rifle at him dude threw his hands up and Kyle didn't shoot. The dude proceeded to lower his weapon at Kyle again and I guess Kyle had a much faster reaction time and turned his bicep in to string cheese. I don't really see how this is news.

The guy in court. “ yes that is my bicep being vaporized” and the crowd cheered

With the criminal charges being resolved, that leaves the civil liability for the guy who loaned him the firearm he couldn't buy for himself.

As I learned in my CHL class years ago, it's the civil liability that can come back and bite you in the rear.

I may need some clarification or enlightenment here. I have the understanding that, in Texas at least — not trying to apply this to Wisconsin, if a grand jury no-bills you or you're found not guilty at trial then Texas law shields you from civil liability. Is that not correct?

I don’t believe that is accurate.

Not an attorney but it would seem whatever happens with Rittenhouse will have no bearing on the liability of the person who gave him a rifle he could not legally carry since that constitutes a separate action. If so, it could be the firearm's owner who might end up catching the bulk of the accountability. Definitely something to think about.

Boom!

I don’t see a point to continue this much longer. This is a search for the truth, not an agenda. We got a big insight on the truth yesterday.

Did the defense ask for a directed verdict yesterday? I can't find where they did. The DA thought he was going to make a name for himself by slamming this kid. Well, he is going to make a name but not in the way he imagined.

The OJ Simpson case taught us that juries don't always search for the truth but what satisfies their agenda.

I would suspect that after the prosecution rests, which should be now. The defense will ask for a direct verdict and end this fiasco.

The only “winnable” lawsuit will be by Rittenhouse. He will make out like the kid the media said got on the Native Americans face.

Nice. Even though I didn’t know that, I wasn’t really thinking in terms of self defense. Just in general. That’s good to know that’s in place.

How come,everybody wants to talk about a 17 yo having a AR15.
And nobody wants say, anything about a convicted felon in posseion of a pistol. ??

If you are talking about our bicep challenged friend, I don't think that he was a convicted Felon.

He was not. Class A misdemeanor conviction and a general POS.

He had a concealed carry permit that was expired so still illegal carry for his glock.

Prosecution rests.

Kyle definitely disarmed lefty but good...

I don’t know if anyone remembers all the wrong done in this case. Gofundme refused to allow Rittenhouse an account. A Christian based company formed an anonymous donation site. The site was hacked. It was determined a Norfolk police officer donated 25 dollars and was fired for supporting a “murderer🐿”

One more thing about the coverage of this:

Everyone is saying he took the gun across state lines. Which he did.
He lives in Antioch Illinois, which is on the border of Wisconsin. Kyle worked in Wisconsin. Kyle was only 15 miles from Kenosha.

Some are alluding that he drove hundreds of miles. Kenosha was a large community within 15 minutes of his house.

I remember well, and still paying attention.

From what I have seen, the gun was stored at "Dominick Black’s stepfather’s house in Kenosha" Gun Storage Site so just how did he transport it across state lines when it was already in Wisconsin. Maybe I missed something, but everything I read says the gun was purchased and stored in Kenosha.

this should be a slam dunk for the defense. can't wait.

Tucker Carlson said that Lefty was a convicted Felon who had his CHL revoked.

Prosecution rested yesterday. We will see if defense puts on slam dunk witnesses or asks for a verdict.

Nice. Even though I didn’t know that, I wasn’t really thinking in terms of self defense. Just in general. That’s good to know that’s in place.
[/quote]


That must only apply to civilians, sure as hell didn’t apply to me being sued for acting under good faith when I was given bad information about a burglary having just occurred which ended with me being being charged and eventually no-billed. The guy won the lawsuit, or actually settled with the city which is still a win, even though he stated in writing that we (the police) did nothing wrong.

I believe I heard that his dad lives in Kenosha. If so, I wonder if Kyle also lives there part time thus further diminishing exaggeration of him coming from out-of-town.

Felony burglary I think he said.

Gaige Grosskreutz, the guy who had his bicep blown off, has been falsely described as "unarmed." He's a felon who shouldn't have had a gun but clearly had a handgun. He only became "unarmed" after his arm was blown off.

Kyle now on the stand. he may very well be the only defense witness.

Risky. But he’s doing pretty good so far.

He imploded. Crying uncontrollably.

getting sympathy from the jury?

Emotions are important. But he has to be careful it doesn’t show immaturity. I think the case is made.

Kyle “ 4 doors more whores” Rittenhouse.

What does that mean?

It’s his social media handle. Prosecutor just asked him
If that was his user name. I thought it was funny.


He’s doing very well. Prosecutor seems like he’s getting schooled and has no direction.

So showing emotion is a sign of immaturity? Some of us folks have seen things we never wanted to see and to discuss them would bring us back to the same emotions we felt that day. It's reality, not emotion.

Judge yelling at prosecutor.

The prosecutor is on his way to loosing bigly.

This is what happens when it should of been a no-bill and lib politics came into play. I almost feel bad for prosecutor

you have to wonder if it's intentional.

The judge added 15 min to lunch so I hope it's spent in the woodshed with the bum prosecutor...

X100, this was about back then, not now. It was about showing protection for all the election process antics and appeasement of the socialist and kkk/antifascist militant arm of the Democrat party, to insure they continue on their assignments

This prosecutor has gone full stupid here! This guy sounds like he has no idea what the hell he is doing. I think the kid is doing a good job here testifying. I also think that after this trial the prosecutor is going to have to find a new job.

I don't think the defense needed to put him on the stand. They won two days ago.

This is correct roll tide wrong

They're back and asking for mistrial with prejudice

Lead detective Benjamin Antaramian is the nephew of Kenosha Mayor John Antaramian who is brothers with Kenosha city attorney Ed Antaramian.

Question. If there is a mistrial can he be re tried?

not if it's dismissed with prejudice.

Yes.

It’s almost like prosecutor knows this case is done after witness said he was shot by Rittenhouse in self defense.

Wants another shot since he blew it.

mistrial has been asked for.

On what grounds? Prosecutors star witness told truth?

prosecutor misconduct.

This prosecutor is absolutely terrible.

Prosecutor intentionally introduced a previously excluded argument.

Still feel this way?

This prosecutor is almost unwatchable. He just rambles on.

Yes, I really want to throat punch this MF. Seems like a slimy POS.

Whether he’s guilty or not, he’s obviously a whiny little punk who got in way over his head and folks died as a result. If y’all think he’s a hero, an ally or role model, you’ve got very different ideas than me about what that means.

your right, you think like a flappy P.

I think the ones in the boneyard are the ones that wound up in over their head NP...

Yep

Yes, we all have very very different ideas on everything than you. I love how liberals love to blame him saying that if he wasn't there none of this would have happened. NO, he had every right to be there just like anyone else maybe even more right than the POS rioters that were everywhere. Had the RIOTERS not attacked him, they'd still be alive. Maybe the rioters need to take a little responsibility for their actions.

Point blank, had they not attacked him, he would haven't had shot anyone. Which is absolutely evident from him not shooting the dude running at him with a gun until he leveled the gun at him. He was not out there just to shoot people. End of story.

But you can't see the facts right in front of your face literally on video. You remind me of the idiot prosecutor in this case.

btw, being a hero and unnecessarily indicted are two way separate issues. The problem in Kenosha was not Kyle Rittenhouse. Stay on point.

funny how they never say if the people that got shot wouldn't have been there...

Just when I had about forgotten all my dissent toward you...

What is different(pre CHL, in same county) then you breaking up a woman beating at a gas station.... Then Three guys try to jump you and you retrieve a load pistol from your truck out to defend yourself....

Only thing you are guilty of is an illegal loaded pistol in your truck. Those people died because of their actions toward him.


Let's be honest, theoretically if I attacked you, you damn sure aren't going to fight me or take an [censored] whooping you would shoot me. And rightfully you should... Legally you should.

His crime isn't self defense

the kid's biggest mistake was not going to kenosha to protect whatever. it was leaving the safety of numbers to put out fires. He was attacked by human hyenas going after a buffalo calf separated from its herd.

Yep, exactly.

NPs hero’s were burning down a town and a couple died

No good deed goes unpunished.

NP is so out of touch with reality.

Yep

Don't try so hard to be the only smart person in the room that you abandon reality.

If there is anything this trial has proven it's that the scales of justice be anything but balanced.

I suspect the kid also learned there's a huge difference in the risks and potential liabilities when sitting on the coach and thinking about people who should be shot and actually putting yourself in a position to do it.

typically logical people can access unreasonable sentiments when trying to demonstrate a moral or intellectual superiority. The problem many of us have is our inadequate mental focus to fully comprehend NP's way of thinking.

I think this kid is gonna pull out of this and be something special. Write it down.

Based on now having heard sworn defendant testimony on cross examination, he has some real issues to overcome; namely utilizing force that was inconsistent with type and level of force used or perceived to be used by the two he killed. Shooting the armed EMT guy is not what may do him in, the two decedents likely will. That Barney Fife prosecutor did some real damage to his case, punching numerous holes in it. Big mistake for Rittenhouse to take stand.

Not with a gun...

Agree with this NP, a very naive kid got in way over his head in a purely policing matter. Unlike Rittenhouse, I was a Army trained actual medical and would have never pulled the pseudo security thing any of those armed nuts did. Just beyond dumb.

Oh no a gun!!!!! Lets still gloss over the fact he would have never used said gun had he not been attacked by your comrades. Now go back to your hole grownups are talking.

The guy he shot had a gun. Where is your outrage?

you guys are forgetting the fact that this was all due to the summer of love

Why don't you try responding like a grown up. He had no business showing up with a gun.

https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/948/55

948.60  Possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18.
(1)  In this section, “dangerous weapon" means any firearm, loaded or unloaded; any electric weapon, as defined in s. 941.295 (1c) (a); metallic knuckles or knuckles of any substance which could be put to the same use with the same or similar effect as metallic knuckles; a nunchaku or any similar weapon consisting of 2 sticks of wood, plastic or metal connected at one end by a length of rope, chain, wire or leather; a cestus or similar material weighted with metal or other substance and worn on the hand; a shuriken or any similar pointed star-like object intended to injure a person when thrown; or a manrikigusari or similar length of chain having weighted ends.
(2) 
(a) Any person under 18 years of age who possesses or goes armed with a dangerous weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor.

The last thing I remember before the last break was the prosecutor's apparent opinion that you should be shot at before using lethal self defense. Pure idiocy!!

I figure long before now the jury has made their decision regardless of the judge's instructions.

Every thought, I've ever had, was different from yours.
Please, give us a rest from ignorance.

LMAO yea no outrage for him illegally carrying a firearm or the pedo or the other felon. They were just on their way to church ya know.

None of them had any business showing up there. He probably shouldn’t have been there, but he was there protecting businesses from rioters and looters, but the rioters and looters damn sure had no right being there. I know you don’t see it that way because I’m sure George Floyd is a hero to you.

Must be quite a bit of stress.

There's a chance that particular law will come under trial itself, there are those who believe it to be unconstitutional and poorly written (Keep in mind someone having a gun while hunting). From what I've read that's why the Judge allowed that charge. We'll see! It ain't over yet.

You agree with np, there’s a [censored] surprise…

I think I figured out what DQ stands for.

If this law as written isn't unconstitutional, there are thousands of teens hunting in Wisconsin while illegally armed. Thousands of parents who purchased guns for their kids. Should those parents be considered as strawman purchases.

Even if he is prosecuted and found guilty of this charge, he will be able to own a gun as he will not be a felon.

Of course you do. Orange man bad, so forth and so on.

He had every right to be there just like I have every right to walk around on the square in Graham Tx. He was doing what he thought was right and had to kill to keep himself alive in a town where he made a living. I don’t care how old was. Sometimes when you need to step up and be a man and it doesn’t matter how old you are. My Papaw isn’t alive anymore but he joined the Air Corps, and fought the Japs in the Philippines when he was 16. I think the MAN did what a lot of others should have done in that town.

^^Exactly right.

America was built by men and women that took care of business and looked out for each other. It has long been taken over by the puzzles.

Jessup: You can't handle the truth!

Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lieutenant Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives! You don't want the truth, because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall. We use words like "honor", "code", "loyalty". We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline! I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then QUESTIONS the manner in which I provide it! I would rather you just said "thank you", and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a DAMN what you think you are entitled to!

Just like 9/11, I will NEVER FORGET.

A P.O.S. is always a P.O.S. Stealing perfectly good oxygen that could be used for good.

That's damn right!

It is sad to see some of the dumb comments on here. He was attacked and he defended himself. He did a great job and lived.

Exactly, but then again, most every comment from a libtard is dumb AF, so no real surprise there.

It amazes me that people focus so much on the fact that this kid was carrying a gun. I'll acknowledge that it would have been better if he was legal to carry it, but that doesn't change the fact a bunch of worthless human filth was rioting and pillaging (again) and also carrying guns. Some of them also illegally because they were convicted felons. What is worse - a person who is prohibited from carrying only because of his age, or a person who forfeited their right to carry by committing felonies against others? How many times are law abiding citizens supposed to just bend over and take it while the scum do what the hell they want and destroy our cities?
You can argue all day long that Rittenhouse should not have been carrying a gun, but he was the only one who tried to extricate himself from the situation. The other ones chased him down and they were rewarded for their efforts. It wouldn't bother me if every GD one of these piles of **** got shot in the face.

He carried a gun, we know,….obviously

But for those retards so pissed about that and can’t get over it

He’s gonna walk on all major charges…

Either the prosecutor sucks (which I lean too) or his defense is simply better

Some are just so woke they’re F-ing stupid

The woke won’t get their way, keep dreaming puzziez

Dammit Grizz you always say it better than me. Spot on sir.

Where’s our conspiracy guy Tin Head

All the City burning’s have stopped since ole Biden got elected?

C’mon guys, big $$$ hated Trump

I hope he chimes in, all the sudden…no more

100% agree

These same three thugs break into Rittenhouse's home, the same outcome happens, and we would have never know about it. Annually there are stories of "minors" defending themselves, but the general public probably is unaware of it.

Very well said and I agree 100%....

Folks like MBradford and NP are the ones who simply sit by and allow those scumbags to burn down their city just as long as it isn’t their house.....

More of these scumbags need to face the consequences of their criminal actions....and not necessarily in a courtroom!

.


Hard to prosecute when none of the evidence you have to present is incriminating, there's a reason they shouldn't have pursued the charges they did.

The woke own the media, if you wish to be in the media, you must be woke

Use your head guys, listen to your gut

Sit by? I believe those 2 would join in.

The woke got us here to trial

Plain and simple

We have woke here on this forum

nothing has stopped , we are in the middle of ww3. "We were attacked" , bio weapon released , economy being taken down with out firing a shot. I do like seeing the people are waking up , so I just read.

What do they want?

Population control, obedience, and new world order

Grizz, almost always the most level headed dude here. He is mostly spot on every time.

No more City’s burning down, Biden fixed it

Whatever caused City’s to burn is no more….

Or maybe that’s what they want everyone to think

Don’t be a retard

They sound just like the Woke on this forum.

Grizz, almost always the most level headed dude here. He is mostly spot on every time. [/quote]

I agree. Good people

The horrible thing is, the jury is likely made up of woke people who share the same opinions as I've read on here today by them, and the guy will likely be convicted of some version of a homicide and will spend many years in prison. That's my prediction as sad and unjust as it is.

No, he would rather see his home town burned to the ground then stand up to the progressive mob.

He made his thoughts very clear that the rioters lives where far superior to the lives they where wrecking

Man, I hope you’re wrong.

There are several women on the jury. If they are moms, I don’t see how they wouldn’t be moved by Kyle breaking down like that. A clear case of PTSD on display. They have extras though, and only 12 will be included in rendering the final verdict.

I sure hope Kyle is acquitted and gets the love and support he needs going forward.

You’re overthinking how much brain power the woke mob has. Regardless if they’re moms or not, if they’re woke they probably think it could be their poor baby caught in this mad mans crosshairs. I’m really actually surprised they didn’t label this as a mass shooting.

Kenosha was effected by all these imported troublemakers. No chance he’s convicted. Worst case scenario is it’s split 50/50 and a hung jury. No way 12 Kenosha citizens will all vote guilty.

I agree. One thing I think that may be overlooked is the fact that the oxygen thieves who ate lead were destroying the city where many of the jurors live, work, or shop. These jurors aren't watching this from the cheap seats.

I have no doubts that even after being found innocent, the kid would say in a heartbeat he wished he had just stayed home and watched on TV all the idiots acting like idiots.

That’s no different than if a home owner came home early and caught someone in their house and had to shoot and kill them. Of course I’m sure they wish they hadn’t gotten off work early that day and didn’t have to take another person’s life.

I carry a gun every day of my life and I hope to never have to carry something like that on my conscience, believe it or not I’m actually a sensitive dude, and I don’t know if I could really deal with it. But I wouldn’t hesitate to defend myself or my family from harm. Then deal with the conscious later.

He stood up and acted, he’ll have to deal with that later but from the way he broke down today, I think he is dealing with it real-time. Hats off to the young man. He did what a lot of us, including myself, think we’d do in that situation.

Maybe if he’s found not guilty it will embolden responsible citizens to take a stand. If such happens in Texas again maybe we can grab our preferred arms and go stand as a militia?

I wonder if that would work here and who among you might show up? That’s a general question where no answer is needed.

I bet the 3 guys he shot wished the same thing Dan.


I am not watching the trial but I have watched the unedited video several times. Kid was being chased and then assaulted by 3 convicted felons, one of which tried to take his gun after he fell, another hit him with a skateboard and a 3rd advanced on him while holding a pistol. He was defending his life. He tried to retreat and then was unable to do so, so he shot 3 people intent on harming him. Had he not had a weapon/or lost his weapon I feel confident he would have been beaten severely or killed, as I watched several videos of unarmed citizens get beat senseless in these riots.

You can argue that he should have stayed home....well so should of the others. I can’t believe the state of the nation we are living in where a citizen with no priors shoots 3 felons who are in the process of an assault and he gets raked over the coals for it.

I will allow that under Wisconsin law he may be guilty of unlawful possession of a weapon which is a class A misdemeanor. I do not believe he was guilty of murder and believe he was acting in self defense.

One could argue that the 3 men who were shot were out to intentionally kill, steal and destroy and were given their just desserts

Welcome to Woke America

Woke America not only sucks, but is ridiculously stupid as well

Probably, but he's alive. Two dip***** can't say that. Another one can only say it with one arm. F all of them. They aren't even worth a conversation.

Preach Grizz

My only regret watching those videos is he didn’t shoot more of them in the face after they chased him down, the kid had balls to be out thr when he probably shouldn’t have been but I’m proud we have a few guys willing to put it on the line and not back down. Those asshats that got blasted won the stupid prizes after signing up to play the stupid games. Winners of the asphalt temperature challenge

And the jurors all know people that were affected by that night. Bet at least some of those Jurors want to go give Rittenhouse a thank you. No way they want him going down for murder or manslaughter.

One thing I didn't see mentioned enough or if it was I might of missed it was when Rosenbaum was shot. They hammered Kyle about how Rosenbaum wasn't armed or posed no threat until he put his hands on the rifle. What I wasn't hearing was the fact (Caught on Video) that in the larger group behind Rosenbaum that was also chasing Kyle, somebody in that group fired a shot with a pistol 3 seconds before Kyle shot Rosenbaum. At the time the shot was fired Kyle was running and had his back to the group and Rosenbaum. Whether he knew Rosenbaum had a weapon or not he damn sure knew somebody chasing him had a weapon and had already discharged it at least once. Did they identify that individual?

They did (can’t recall the name) but prosecution really hammered on the point that the round was not fired at Kyle. Kyle said something to the effect of, he didn’t know if the round wasn’t fired at him or not, he was too busy running.

To me, it’s like the prosecutor loves the spotlight. Don’t want to give up his 15 minutes of fame. Therefore, rambling on incoherently to hear himself talk.

I think it’s interesting, or stupid, how important words are. They kept asking Kyle “did you shot to kill”, and he obviously well coached said his intent was to “stop the threat”. He finally gave in when he agreed that he used “deadly force”, he should have stuck to his guns there and said “I used force to stop the threat, that was my intent, my intent was not for it to be deadly”.

All this over a thug that overdosed in police custody.

Yep he was identified! Turns out he's also facing charges now.

He's mentioned in this link. Joshua Ziminski.

https://www.kenoshanews.com/illinoi...6fa197e-b2b7-5511-9f74-cac1d7fa3d35.html

The most terrifying thing to me is how people let the media feed them the narrative and they never give.

If that boy had been shot in the back running down the road there would never had been an investigation. The headlines would have said a white suprematism was shot in riots.

The lefts lines would have been the same DQ- “well he shouldn’t have been there”

Close, Jacob Blake shot multiple times in back by police while being apprehended and resisting at home of son's B-day party. Knife was identified on floorboard of his vehicle which he was entering when shot. No charges were filed on police or Blake.

Not a left line bud, you don't know a thing about me or my irrelevant political affiliations so stop while you're ahead. I'm looking at purely a legality perspective; a minor illegally in possession of a firearm was intervening in a situation that was 100% a policing situation. A completely different situation from protecting one's home, property and family, legally speaking. I'm more than content to let this play out in court of law and let a jury of peers determine the outcome.

"Not a left line bud, you don't know a thing about me or my irrelevant political affiliations so stop while you're ahead. I'm looking at purely a legality perspective; a minor illegally in possession of a firearm was intervening in a situation that was 100% a policing situation. A completely different situation from protecting one's home, property and family, legally speaking. I'm more than content to let this play out in court of law and let a jury of peers determine the outcome."

Earth to DQ, the issue was there because of a "policing vacuum".

That's an entirely different discussion for a different day, there's this thing called Kenosha city hall, a mayor, a chief of police and if that doesn't work, reach out to state reps, governor to bring in National Guard, something I personally know about. Let the Pros take care of it, not Amateur Night at The Apollo.

Best answer.

It looks to me like the prosecutor knows he has a loser of a case and is doing his best to cause a mistrial. This would force the judge to make the call, not the jury. Then the prosecutor won't get hung with a loss on his record.

Dq you’re ignoring reality of the situation for what should have happened. What was going to happened was obvious. The perfect scenario you’re wanting did not happen. So use the reality of the situation to make judgement. Not what should have happened.

I can and will concede this, I've not had a riotous mob in my backyard, fair enough.

No DQ, please focus,. That is exactly what happened. Your reply serves as an example of someone with a weak argument choosing or desiring to direct or otherwise change the narrative.

Yeah, having the knife, not following commands, having felony warrants and fighting the police will sometimes get you shot. Also, the police just didn't show up at his son's birthday party (oh heavens no). They responded to a 911 call involving family violence. Blake, a very bad guy (just ask his sexual assault victim) used incredibly bad judgment and will pay for it the remainder of his life. Oh well.

Go back and watch the video… you got to be kidding me.

You think he us innocent and no justification?

Wow. Seriously?

Prosecution team are idiots. He will be found not guilty.

Did I say innocent? No charges were ultimately filed against cops or the perp.

Mistrial?

I've said before, the first rule is not to bring a skateboard to a gunfight.

2nd, I watched part of the defendant's testimony yesterday, and although he is just a kid, he did a very good job on the stand. He was believable, vulnerable, and sincere. I think it was an error in judgement to be there that night with a gun, but who here can say they didn't make bad judgement calls as adolescents. Heck, I'm lucky I survived my 20's, let alone my teen years.

Unfortunately, people died and there will be (and have already been) consequences to his actions. Will he be convicted of murder, I doubt it, it was clearly self defense, but they will convict him of some lesser offense - reckless endangerment, unlawful possession, etc.

Will also say, I also believe the prosecutor knows he has lost, and has acted in a manner to get a mistrial. He has political aspirations and a mistrial gives him the chance to say how vigorously he pursued the case, and it was the judge's bias that caused his loss. The entire trial was a sham and should have been plead out before calling the first juror.

You are correct, exact same situation. The peacefully assembled law abidding citizens where mearly trying to do a citizens arrest of Rittenhouse for a misdemeanor Minor in Pocession

You keep calling this a "POLICING SITUATION", if the police, state troopers and/or the national guard had taken care of the riots, we wouldn't even be talking about this. But they were just sitting by and letting the city burn, the businesses burn and letting innocent people get beaten and robbed of their livelihood. The WOKE politicians are afraid to do their job, which is to protect the people that live in the city, along with there businesses that are there. So don't call it what it isn't as the police didn't do squat.

All that matters is how many threats the jury receives.

Today:

Come on Thump, you can't pint to this. He already said it was a separate issue. We should all be able to pick & choose so our fantasies can all be fulfiled.

Once again, the Grizz nails it.

Here’s how WOKE the media and a lot of people are

Anyone recall when 5 police officers were killed in Dallas at a BLM rally?

BLM took ZERO heat over that….

So woke, none of them wanted BLM pissed at them

Makes me sick

Why he was there is immaterial. Why he had a gun is immaterial. The ONLY question that matters in this trial is if he was defending himself?

The prosecutor could also try him again unless the judge declares the prosecutor caused a mistrial deliberately which is very rare.

I believe, and I am not an attorney, but the defense asked for a Mistrial with Prejudice, so if that is the case, files could not retry of refile the case.

Correct. And to your point, they already got the curfew violation charge tossed out.

If I could speak to that Binger weasel, I’d ask where his happy [censored] was at while his city was being torched.

The prosecutor is trying to throw the trial so it wont be on his record , and the judge isn't having it...

or so he gets another shot at it. not sure witch yet.

I’m not one either but you are correct.

What did I say other then they all should have died LOL, I think the kids a modern day hero myself and I know it’s hard to believe but I hold strong feeling towards the dipchits on here crying foul play. A few guys posting on this thread need to be kicked out of Texas and thr nut sack beat with a bat wrapped in barbed wire so they can’t reproduce.

I could have swore I heard the judge tell the prosecutor that he violated Kyle's civil rights yesterday and surely that's grounds for a mistrial...I thought he was fixing to toss the case with prejudice right there but nope...

I suspect the judge has already recognized the prosecution has no case and that it's best not to grant a mistrial but to let the jury put a final seal on the innocence of Rittenhouse.

Not NP’s family so doesnt matter

The bicep guy was on good morning America. Now saying he never pointed his gun a rittenhouse.

This thing is over. It’s getting ridiculous

If I were the mayor of that town I would the National Gaurd there, when it gets tossed or he's found not guilty those "peaceful" demonstrators will be back to burn the city down.

The mayor of the town is the lead detectives uncle. And the town attorney is his brother.

This thing has been ridiculous from day one.

Yeah, I think it would be in Rittenhouse's best interest if this plays out so he can be acquitted.

Trial commences Monday with jury instructions, closing arguments, rebuttals, and then it's on to the jury deliberations...

The verdict wont matter............that is the truth. The Left is gonna win with a not guilty verdict. The prosecutor has been paid and when he loses/ he wins/the left wins

Sad but I believe your right, if acquitted( which he should be), they better call in the National guard, as BLM and other organizations are going to use this as an excuse to riot and destroy more public and privately owned assets. So sad what is happening to our country…

If that happens, there needs to be hundreds of Kyle Rittenhouse’s out there.

The prosecution wants the jury to consider lesser charges now.

Pull ever First responder out. Let it be know. When the locals have had enough there will be no one left to riot.

Screw that.

Exactly! The only lessor charge should be not guilty!

At this point, maybe violating a city ordinance by discharging a firearm within the city limits.

I don't fully understand. What is the diff between a misstrial, etc

The judge would be responsible to call for a mistrial. More than likely, the case would be dismissed with no answer to guilty or not guilty. This is the best option for the prosecution right now as there appears that prosecution is not going to get a guilty verdict. Also, since the judge made the call, the prosecutor won't be tagged with a failed prosecution. Prosecutors love to point to their conviction rate as a sign of their effectiveness.

The BLM and the vandals in the mob are really the ones on trial here. If Rittenhouse is able to claim self defense, then the rioters will be seen for what they are, looters and vandals who actively look to intimidate and assault anyone who looks to not be one of them. In other words, scum, and not social justice advocates who were brought to high passion by the events of the day.

The verdict means the difference between justice and injustice - no way in hell it doesn't matter...

it should matter to any individual who carries for his own protection.

A not guilty verdict, will allow Rittenhouse to sue the MSM for libel, I hope he gets rich!

That'd be cool. Funny how Rittenhouse is on TV every day, all the lefty people that murdered righty people during riots, not so much.

I guess when Soros pays your bills, you do what he says. That's a law I'd like to see adjusted- to stop having District Attorneys for sale on the global market.

you guys saying guilty on count 5 better read this...

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...eapons-charge-in-kyle-rittenhouse-trial/

This prosecutor is a Moron.

“ The prosecution complained that the defense had not measured the rifle, but Schroeder pointed out that the prosecution, not the defense, has the burden of proof”

Zero people can name the person who killed 77 year old retired cop David Dorn. During St Louis riots. Zero people.

Stephan Cannon Twenty something year old felon was arrested and charged last year but I don’t think there has been a trial yet.

The people who thought OJ was innocent are the same ones saying Rittenhouse is guilty. Emotions, not facts fuel these cases.

Rittenhouse, 2 million dollar bond on self defense case. Guy shoots 4 in Mansfield school 25k bond.

Good. No notoriety for these killers. Let them go away unnoticed, no fame.
But the name of the innocent that we have lost should be on the walls of the courthouse.

Wait…you mean OJ killed Nicole?

And Ron Goldman.

Is he going to be screwed by the possibility of additional charges being allowed after the prosecution and defense have rested?

https://www.independentsentinel.com/warning-signs-in-the-instructions-to-the-kyle-rittenhouse-jury/

becoming wary of something absurd happening.

Asking for instructions on lesser included offenses is done all the time. I've just assumed from the beginning the prosecutor would do this. He would actually be more incompetent than he has already shown to be if he didn't ask for this instruction. He is not asking for more separate offenses to be considered, just lesser degrees of the murder charge.

This ain’t good.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...se-case-reveal-threats-brand-racist.html

It's beyond me how anyone can bring race into this when everyone involved is white.

A little something to lighten the mood.

It’s not beyond me bro, every damn retarded libtard are unable to think strait, they’ve been brainwashed to the fullest extent, show me a manly libtard, you can’t , they’re all eat up with the dumbazz, even the ones that think they’re manly are beta’s. I mean for real, but there’s no damn way a real man that loves his freedoms and his rights can be a libtard.

They’re insane bud.

I need this in poster form for the wood shop.

He has good finger discipline. Wife often tells me the same.

Ha that's classic! Mammaw tells me hey watch it there dirty lech...

Looks like the judge dropped the gun charge this morning.

Brilliant defense actually

As it turns out, he has perfectly legal carrying the rifle. Huge for the defense.

That’s great news.

Geezuz someone shut up the ADA! He said he would make it short and simple, crystalize the situation. Now the idiot is on a epic saga of nonsense and will not STFU

You know in life when anyone starts off with, "this is going to be short and simple," you know it's going to be long.

He cannot dazzle them with brilliance so he is boring them with

he said so many things about Kyle that you would have thought should have applied to the rioters.

After this case, things may be a little different. Later on, one evening this week, three masked marxist domestic terrorists with skateboards and bricks see a guy with an AR slung, with his back to them for a moment. The lead attacker pauses instead of charging for the weapon. A clear, quiet voice whispers to him amid the noise of his incoherent thoughts: "Kyle".

Seeing guys with ARs will solidify a new meaning for each repetition of the events in Kenosha, where the leftist opposition is concerned. Here's hoping there is no further reckless escalation to weapons on the other side, by less controlled/funded individuals acting alone. At least the rest have seen the consequences of attacking somebody who is better armed. I'm presuming a favorable verdict.

I didn't have time to watch anything today. How was it legal for him to carry the rifle?

IMO defense attorney Mark Richards is doing a poor job, rambling around with stuff that doesn't matter. He's not giving the jury enough credit to see the self defense action for themselves.

He was continually asserting the jury didn't see what they saw

special rule in the law to accommodate hunters. it was written in a way that applied to Rittenhouse as well.

The law stipulates in Wisconsin that a 16 or 17-year-old can carry a long rifle or a shotgun as long as it is not concealed. That means Rittenhouse was within his rights to be armed with the gun he had that night. That fact is not ambiguous, but Politifact ridiculously claims that because the law was supposedly written with hunting in mind, that it is false to say Rittenhouse was legally armed.

Hunters Ed and hunting license. The law had explicit exceptions. State failed to do any due diligence in their research. Defense set them up and made them look idiotic

I hope he is found not guilty and sues the hell out of the liberal media for defamation, like Nicolas Sandmann did.

Good to know. Praying for the best outcome for the brave young man.

too much finger on the trigger

Why do they still have the Carrier it that weapon? And why does that idiot have his finger on the trigger?

How do you think he got the defense teamhe got?

Package deal

Did Sandmann have the same defense team?

No idea, but he set the litigation threshold that's for sure.

😎

Not sure what verdict will be but after watching a good deal of the final arguments I’m convinced that council for BOTH sides doesn’t have a clue about firearms or their use. Very sad for a trial of this substance.

Same here…..

I agree. I've watched bits of this. I can only take that prosecutor so much. However, I keep hearing about racking or re-racking, etc. But they also say that the expert LEO said the gun functioned properly. I even saw that tool defense attorney take a ruler and measure the distance it takes for the charging handle to work.

What is the deal with that? Did the gun jam? I did hear he fired four rounds in 3/4 seconds. That's pretty good trigger work in my book.

Prosecution isn't giving me vibes that they are talking to the jury in the room. I'm not hearing any tactful persuasion, just cheap schoolyard sophistry and bulldozer rhetoric as if there's no Constitution. Their presentations may be good for media talking points and the rousing of the left's rabble, but they've shot themselves in the foot consistently. I think they know they lost a while back, so they must be fulfilling their assigned mission by making catchy talking points for the faithful to cling to. I mean, they claimed KR surrendered his right to defend himself simply by having the firearm. So many giant anti-constitutional claims they've made, seems like they are just making noise so they don't get attacked by the rioter club themselves when this is over.

On the “lost his right to self defense when he showed up with a gun”, this is an outright lie and I can’t imagine why the Judge didn’t say anything….

just keep feeding him rope.

9 min(s) ago
Jury asks for copies of self-defense instructions
Forty-five minutes into deliberations, the jury in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial has asked for 11 copies of jury instructions, particularly pages 1-6 which go over the terminology of self-defense.

Yep, have to question the accuracy of that. That would be .18 splits. That's Jerry Miculek kind of speed.

I hope that is a good sign. No doubt in my mind he should be found not guilty of all charges. Absolute disgrace he was even charged.

If acquitted, there will be riots in the streets.
If not acquitted, there should be riots in the street.

https://babylonbee.com/news/liberal...t-through-legal-loophole-known-as-trial/

Burn it down baby

I think this is good. It tells me they aren't just dismissing the self defense claim, they are at least considering it. If I had to guess, I would say there are jurors working to convince a holdout it was self defense.

I think asking for copies of the instructions is both good and bad for Rittenhouse.
Good - they are looking at the instructions and all the charges. That probably means they don't think he's guilty of at least one of the first degree charges.
Bad - they are looking at all the charges including the lessor charges. IMO, that's bad for Rittenhouse because it means they may be trying to fit his self defense actions into one of the lessor charges.

Time will tell, but I felt that a verdict by lunch time or shortly thereafter would signal best outcome for him. It seems to me, the longer it goes, the more concern that they are weighing levels of convictions. Who really knows, but perhaps the request for info on self defense rules was to weigh the incorrect pronouncements on self defense rules the prosecutor gave in final. If you lose self defense protection by bringing a weapon, there would be no self defense in any shooting case ... even if the attacker was unarmed, fists can be quite deadly...likewise a foot, a rock, a stick, or a bottle.

I wonder why 11 copies and not 12? Does that mean only 1 thinks he isn’t guilty? Or did they already have a copy?

I believe that they already had one.

Latest is that 2 jurors are the holdup citing worries about their families and being doused by Antifa.

Replace them, they have a large jury pool.

Although very believable, where did this come from?

Jack Posobiec claims he heard it from a US Marshall.

Wrong mentality.

There's hundreds of thousands, potentially millions of people that wish they would be attacked by Antifa. It would be an opportunity to kill the bad.

Those jurors should be armed, ready, and welcome it. That would make them true Americans.

Jesse Waters said jurors have been videoed coming and going.

He said there are 500 National Guard troops on standby. Let-r-rip --

Another bit of background news.

https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/fea...tenhouse-cases-mysterious-jump-kick-man/

This is absolutely BS!! This dudes life hangs in the balance of jurors afraid of doing the right thing? Those puzzies should have bowed out if that’s the case. Complete BS

And I guess the DA conveniently failed to disclose this to the defendant's attorney!

The jury has called it quits for today. Will resume tomorrow.

Yup

[censored] antifa. Also, it is very telling that when shooting into a crowd of liberals a pedophile gets hit.

Welcome All. New to the Hunting forum.

All of this is insane to me. If i hadnt seen all of this insinity ofr myself, there is no way id believe it here in America

Only the best and brightest for the soros paid militia

Great first post! Do you put beans in your chili?

Stop it bob !! LOL...
You know, darn good and well, your supposed to say welcome first. !!!

And… you know damn good and well if it has beans it’s not chili

No beens in my chili, if I get my way. Unfortunately my wife says beans are full of good stuff and that's she's going to make sure I stick around. So I usually lose the great beans or no beans debate

jury still out?

Smart man.

Anyone that would let intimidation influence/decide their decision is a Scumbag and has NO right to sit on a jury.

Judge needs to talk to the jurors and make that point.

They are REQUIRED to judge on the facts of the case, its not an option based on outside influences.

The reason we have these type things (threats from individuals and organizations) is because of spineless people giving in to it. It only promotes more of the same.

DO WHAT IS RIGHT, let the chips fall where they may.

If they are afraid to make a decision, they should 100 percent believe they attacked Rittenhouse.

This is why you always have a minimum of 1000 rounds of ammo on hand.

The judge already instructed them on that very fact. He even went so far as to tell them to disregard what the president of the United States thinks about the case as well as the former president.

Hey Greedy.

If your wife is looking out for you and wants you to stick around, maybe its a good thing.

Or maybe not.

Good luck Sir.

Pro or Anti cannabis

These two insights are spot on.

Don't have a dog in that fight, so I guess that makes me slightly pro? I figure people should be free to do as they like long as they aren't hurting anyone else. Libertarian an I.

And before yall ask, yes I'm a dog guy, not so much for cats.

I grew up eating beens in my chili, now I don't really mind either way so long as it brings the heat.

Now corn in the chili(wife thinks chili should have corn)? Oh Hell to the No.

Those who choose to intimidate jurors should be dealt with.

I'm going to call on this one based on this article.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blo..._affected_the_kyle_rittenhouse_jury.html

Whats your guess on deliberation time?

I think they gonna stay locked up.

I imagine the longer they take the better for the prosecution.

it will get done today.

^ or tomorrow at the latest.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/n...efinition-footage-Rittenhouse-trial.html

IF hes convicted, and I don't believe he will be, he has a very strong case to have it overturned on appeal.

Or to have the judge dismiss with prejudice based on the defense motions

they just asked for it again.


https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021...-prosecutors-withholding-video-evidence/

Or Jury could also nullify and do what they want.

I haven't read every comment, so it may have been mentioned, but is it not just a little suspicious that the drone took off and zoomed in on Kyle and his attacker just moments before it happened?

I'm thinking today. Personally hoping the judge does a directed verdict and let the idjit harass a judge and his home. Saw a thing that he sent his wife out of town, so sounds like he's prepared

In my experience it’s usually the other way. Guilty verdicts usually come back much quicker.

Seen it both ways. Last jury I was on there was all but one of us that wanted a guilty verdict, took two days of deliberation till the last person conceded just so we could be done.

Given the very lengthy instructions they were given, it could be a while if they get bogged down in the weeds.

Just saw, desense has filed for dismissal due to defense manipulating and hiding evidence.
The Prosecution gave the defense a low res copy of the drone footage, and then told jury here look at ours it's much clearer, and then supplied the defense the full video file after the trial was pver
https://youtu.be/U_dqaYhpxQo

Is it just me or does the ADA sound like a complete Dumb Azz?

It sounds to me like the ADA didn’t want to prosecute it and was afraid not to. He threw this trial on purpose, it will be a no fault acquittal. Rittenhouse walks and everyone gets to act like it wasn’t their fault.

that's certainly why no mistrial has been called.

this is an interesting development.

https://www.breitbart.com/crime/202...videos-judge-my-nightmare-has-come-true/

ooops, evidence withheld might mean a mistrial... We shall see

Jump Kick Man
https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/fea...tenhouse-cases-mysterious-jump-kick-man/

How is it possible that all the others are convicted felons or have lengthy law enforcement histories. Gotta just be a coincidence.

They gotta find employment somewhere, and Soros doesn't mind...

it's getting ugly over the video. the defense is saying it's been doctored.

Something about the video enhancement being done using unapproved methods. If that’s the case, on top of withholding it, it should be an immediate mistrial and the prosecution team brought up on charges.

This is now an unmitigated disaster of a sh*tshow...they're reporting again that members of the jury are scared out of their wits and that they can hear the rioters screaming at them outside the courthouse while they're attempting to deliberate...

clearly jury tampering IMO.

why are they wanting to riot, because the media tells them to?

If it bleeds it leads.

Judge should uphold the motion by the defense: A) The withheld video (and various lies by the prosecution) give him plenty of reason, B) Protect the jury. That’s the simplest and safest way to end this trial. Riots?, probably, but there would be any way.

Tomorrow 9:00am

Geez.... If there is no mistrial and Rittenhouse is found guilty of anything, with all the stuff the prosecution has screwed up on, I don't see a chance in hell the verdict could survive an appeal.

If he is, our justice system is beyond fu**ed.

On Tucker Carlson's show they just panned Kenosha. Plywood might be cheaper if our government actually acted on these riots with the Military. Defend against domestic enemies.

But it was white on white

Not sure of the validity of it but, I seen pics of different locations of bricks being dropped of in Kenosha also. Like I said, not sure of the validity of it, but it interesting nonetheless

I would not doubt it.

Bricks, black umbrellas, bottled water and commercial fireworks are not free nor just laying around on the sidewalk. Just my opinion.

Any rioting needs to be put down swiftly and with resolve. It is the lack of this that has emboldened certain factions to riot for any and every reason.

It has become a method for Mob Intimidation which is exactly what some jurors and officials are afraid of and being influenced by. COWARDS. Any juror who would be influenced to make a decision based on intimidation instead of the facts....has no right to be on a jury.

If this isn't stopped soon....I fear this nation is about to see a big game of Cowboys and Liberals.

Damn right.

I'm sure the same villains behind Rittenhouse's railroading are the ones organizing the brick drops - all at taxpayer expense...

I agree but does that mean that he sits in jail until that takes place? Justice delayed is justice denied.

Rittenhouse should have asked for a judge trial. This would be over by now.

Matt Gaetz said his office is open to hiring Kyle Rittenhouse as a congressional intern if he's 'interested in helping the country in additional ways'

https://www.yahoo.com/news/matt-gaetz-said-office-open-040843516.html

That's cool, but we're gonna need a lot more help than that.

I think they're contending that it was black whites that got capped...

Hopefully many more will get capped during the coming riots.

In all fairness, they were running around saying N***** a lot. Sooooo…..

You say that as if it's suppose to mean something.

If anything the past couple of years show it's meaningless. The objective with all the rioters is destroy government as we know it and life as we see it, it has nothing to do with skin color. Skin color is now being used as a weapon and you don't have to be any certain color to be a part of it. Kenosha is a perfect example. Are we to believe a man screaming "shoot me xxxxxx, shoot me" is there to actually represent and helping to advance a racial injustice? I lived through the Civil rights movement of the 50 and 60, I saw strong dedicated Black men and women stand up and get knocked down and they would just stand up again and again. What we're seeing today shares no resemblance nor will it have the results equal to what the grandparents and great grandparents of the folks accomplished. One movement wanted civil rights, equal rights and equal justice, nothing more, the other wants to tip the scales violently.

Violently tipping the scales is what they are going to get, just not in the direction they had hoped for.

SO, a mistrial means they will have another trial, Hope they acquit with a slap on the hand.

They're asking for a mistrial with prejudice which means there won't be a retrial.

from what I read, they asked last for a mistrial but not with prejudice.

Ahh gotcha, I didn't get to listen much yesterday.

Defense has asked for both, with and without prejudice. Both are still on the table.

They’ve ask twice, maybe three times. With prejudice for sure once. Without for sure once. To note, the judge has not ruled on any of the request. He waiting on the jury, if they do not return a not guilty on all counts he will call a mistrial with prejudice. There’s no way legally he can be convicted in this trial with all the prosecutions gaffs. It’s intentional all the way around.

I didn't think a mistrial could be declared after the jury or judge returns a verdict.

Charges:
1. First Degree Reckless Homicide, Use of a Deadly Weapon (Joseph Rosenbaum)
2. First Degree Recklessly Endangering Safety, Use of a Deadly Weapon (Richard
McGinnis, reporter for Daily Caller, not injured but near Rosenbaum when Rittenhoue
fired)
3. First Degree Recklessly Endangering Safety, Use of a Deadly Weapon (unknown male)
4. First Degree Intentional Homicide, Use of a Deadly Weapon (Anthony Huber)
5. Attempt First Degree Intentional Homicide, Use of a Deadly Weapon (Gaige
Grosskreutz)
6. Possession of a Dangerous Weapon by a Person under the Age of 18 (JUDGE DISMISSED THIS COUNT ON THE DAY OF CLOSING ARGUMENTS)
7. DISMISSED AT THE END OF STATE”S CASE. Prosecution failed to put evidence in front of the jury that there was a lawful curfew in place (appears to be an oversight by prosecution) Defense moved to dismiss, judge agreed. Fail to Comply with Order of Local Government - Emergency Management Activity (citation, carries no penalty) - everyone present was breaking the 7pm curfew issued by the sheriff.

Possible Sentence: Max: Life in Prison Without Parole (WI does not have the DP)

Hell I made that up. I don’t know. I think the judge has full discretion.

If the jury comes back with any kind of guilty verdict the judge will declare a miss trial with Prejudice, I think the judge is tired of the ADA's BS and wants to get this over with for good!

That is hilarious.

Wins the Internet today!!

Late 70s 7up. Look it up too tall.

Judge just banned anyone associated with MSNBC from the court room

This judge is awesome!

they were caught following the jury bus.

Yeah and people anything middle to the right of the middle left are the wingnuts...

"Hell I made that up. I don’t know."
Hat tip, WP! You might be the 1st gent in THF history to own up like so!

Think we'll get a verdict today?

nope.