Reasonable Doubt........??

Acquit

or

convict

?????

someone do a survey

I still have my doubts?

I say acquit, but either way, Minneapolis is going to be destroyed and burned either way I’m afraid......

If he's guilty, find him guilty. If he's acquitted, find him guilty and disappear him.

Edit to add: in before this post is disappeared.

You’d think those folks would have enough tv’s by now. Maybe it’s just the joy of breaking stuff.

he was always going to walk. its why they are using this case. The politicians are going to use the case to start the summer of love. You can see it a mile away. The rioters have already been paid for and ready to go

The war is real the news is fake.

Hung jury.

That is exactly what, the scum, Maxine Waters is calling for.

I watched almost all the closing arguments and could not convict on a single charge. Way too much reasonable doubt. Defense was solid.

I think the way it was explained is all it takes is "if he attributed to the death and not necessarily caused the death" then he must be found guilty.Three different punishments and of course NOT Guilty but we all know any punishment and the rioters is going to try and destroy the city as well as other cities following.
I'm hoping for a not guilty but I don't think that is going to happen.

The question is...............would he still be alive if he didn't pass that fake 20 dollar bill?

And, is it a death sentence offense ?

No.

Im hearing he had 98% oxygen saturation in his blood when he died. If so how did he suffocate?? Normal oxygen saturation is considered 96%-99% depending on who you talk to. That would be one really hard fact to over look for a conviction.

Either way the states are about to erupt

I sincerely hope every business owner in Minneapolis is prepared to defend their business with armed response. The nation needs a lesson in how well not tolerating looting and property destruction works.

Would he still be alive if he were in prison for his many previous felonies?

Yep, across America it seems.

Even before jurors in the Derek Chauvin trial began deliberating Monday, business owners in San Francisco were boarding up their windows, hiring extra security and bracing for what could happen next.

"We’re hoping that we’re overreacting and that really it will all be very peaceful, but we just want to be extra cautious because we’ve been through this before," Karin Flood with the Union Square Business Improvement District said.

Last summer, rioters, who piggybacked on peaceful protests for George Floyd, vandalized at least 36 businesses in San Francisco's famed shopping district, breaking windows, spray painting anti-police graffiti and looting.

"Property owners, some of them are boarding up, choosing to do that," Flood said. "Some are hiring extra security, putting merchandise away. So, we're protecting ourselves."

For San Francisco police, it's all hands on deck. The department has canceled days off for sworn officers and will have extra officers on duty as they monitor events in Minneapolis.

MINNEAPOLIS — The jury in the Derek Chauvin trial adjourned after its first four hours of deliberations on Monday, following closing arguments from prosecutors and Mr. Chauvin’s lawyer.

The jury of five men and seven women will be sequestered in a hotel each night after deliberations until reaching a verdict. The jurors began to discuss the evidence at 4 p.m. Central time and adjourned at 8 p.m., and will continue to deliberate in a government building in downtown Minneapolis on Tuesday morning.

They must unanimously agree to convict Mr. Chauvin, a former police officer, on any of the three charges he is facing in George Floyd’s death: second-degree murder, third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter.

Hung Jury.

the rioters are out and ready to go, paid for . Some one was shooting at the national gaurd over the weekend and have also seen videos of national guard arresting rioters at gun point .

Wow, i didn’t know you could he tried for second degree murder, third degree murder and second degree manslaughter all at the same time. Seems like a throw the book and see what sticks kind of prosecution.

Either way, get ready for riots. Doesnt matter what the jury finds, it wont be enough. Riots for the summer seems fitting. No one wants to riot in the winter in MN...

Truth

You are not wrong. Either way if I was the CEO of kingsford I would be sending trucks. No matter what the verdict is chit is about to burn. Maxines insurrection.

That the jury has been out this long is a good sign. Assembled lynch mobs, the typical jury's in cases like these, usually come back with a guilty verdict in an hour or two. My hopes are up but time will tell.

Agree. Had the case been cut and dry it would have been a quick jury deliberation.

My guess is the multiple similar but somewhat stacked charges coupled with the social ramifications are making this jury a little more careful.

Seems weird the jury has to deliberate 2M, 3M, and 2MS for the same case...seems the prosecution said “we know he did something so we are throwing a bunch of stuff hoping soemthing is correct” rather than “this is our case and heres why”

What a mess

[quote=Texas buckeye]Agree. Had the case been cut and dry it would have been a quick jury deliberation.

My guess is the multiple similar but somewhat stacked charges coupled with the social ramifications are making this jury a little more careful.

Seems weird the jury has to deliberate 2M, 3M, and 2MS for the same case...seems the prosecution said “we know he did something so we are throwing a bunch of stuff hoping soemthing is correct” rather than “this is our case and heres why”

It is not wierd it is BS. 2nd degee is as far as it goes. They have no case so hung or they ruin his life.

Glove doesn't fit.

The three different charges suggest to me that even the prosecutor doesn’t believe he has a case. If he did he would have picked one. He’s showing weakness on a manslaughter case at best. Threw in the other two from fear of reprisal.

Yep.

Defense atty said efforts to revive GF and administering oxygen rendered this meaningless as was the prosecution witness opinion about no carbon monoxide found in blood.

He’d be alive if he’d complied.

maybe. I still believe he OD'd.

Yep, he was dead as soon as he swallowed that Fentanyl.

This is the only sure thing to come of the trial.

x2

F@#$% her.

I agree with you.... And if there`s anymore at home like her...........F@#$% them to.

I agree with you.... And if there`s anymore at home like her...........F@#$% them to.

the "drums" are beating

I'm pretty sure dats raycist...........

I was talking about Neil Perts solo on you tube

My bad Buzz..............

Judge Cahill says the remarks made by maxine may be grounds for an appealing a verdict in the trial.
"I'll give you that Congresswoman Waters may have given you something on appeal that may result in this whole trial being overturned," Judge Peter Cahill told defense attorney Eric Nelson on Monday.

Waters on Saturday night had called for protesters to "stay on the street" and "get more confrontational" if Chauvin is acquitted in Floyd's killing, comments immediately seized on by Republicans who claimed that Waters was inciting violence. The California Democrat said she was in Brooklyn Center, Minnesota, to show her support for protesters amid ongoing protests over the police killing of Daunte Wright and to also support his family.
"We've got to stay in the street and demand justice," Waters said to reporters, according to video posted on social media.

Guilty. Chauvin knelt on Floyd's neck (handcuffed) for 9 minutes. That's not reasonable regardless of the crime.

pretty simple ...

false statement. don't spread fud.

Is the kneeling on the neck what killed him? And it has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Hard to do when he has a lethal dose of fentanyl in his system.

Regaurdless of the verdict the city will burn, not convicted or not found guilty of a harsh enough crime. Folks have been given into so much they know all they have to do is riot to get their way

Lethal dose? I didn't hear that argued effectively in the trial. Maybe I missed that.

How is it false?

Agreed!

it was proven false in court. facts matter.

You really haven't had time to review the info in the trial have you? Lol

What was proven in court, the jury is still out. You can find the video anywhere. Do some research buddy. 9 minutes +

Actually, I have. Have you? Lol.

your clueless. the body cam showed the cop on his back, not his neck. You can find the video anywhere. Do some research buddy.

Oh, I get it...... You're so smart. Do you feel what Chauvin did was reasonable?

Cant wait for the verdict. Gonna make for some great TV

I believe what Chauvin did is not a crime and thanks for the complement. i

First of all you know I respect you for being a Longhorn 100%.

But Chauvin being an a hole doesn't equate to murder.

Also the state's witness testified, and in cross-examination admitted that if she hadn't seen the video she would have ruled floyd's death an overdose. He had lethal amount of fentanyl in his system, and Fentanyl stops the respiratory system when taken in large doses.

Hey, this is just a discussion and I'm glad there is a place for it. Agreed that it doesn't equate to murder, but that's why there were so many different charges levied against Chauvin. We shall see.

I think you're blind or maybe you need to upgrade to a modern TV (tube and glass TV is not working for you). He was clearly kneeling on the neck. I'm not saying that's what killed him though.

You are incorrect. look at the court transcript. It's clearly been refuted.

He said. She said.

Is Bill trying to incite a riot ?, just sayin




he he

According to the definition of the charges, if Chauvin was contributory to his death, even if he wasn't the cause of death, he should be guilty. If he was "perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life." I think that's pretty obvious based on the fact he did not render aid, turn him over, and continued to unnecessarily restrain him after he was unconscious and pulseless....even after being begged by bystanders to help him. Or for the second degree manslaughter charge, they only have to show that he was negligent and took an "unreasonable risk" with Floyd's life when he restrained him and that his actions put Floyd at risk of death....again, pretty obvious. Regardless what the cause of death was (I believe it was multi-factorial), I think Chauvin contributed to it.

So he's guilty, IMO, I would vote to convict. I hope he goes to prison.

Maxine handed him an appeal on a plate.

of course the defense is trying to "refute" the video. the jury will ultimately decide, not you or I!

Was there any evidence presented that actually proved his knee was actually on the neck?......bruising, only angle I saw might provide for reasonable doubt if the defense hammered that point.

Did the defense do enough on the impact of the different drugs in his system and their combined effect with physical exertion ? Reasonable doubt that the "pressure on neck" was solely responsible for death.

Manslaughter conviction?

Bill is a Riot

there was bruising on his shoulders, but not the neck.

I hate to say it but I think this is what they will come back with.Any conviction will get him an appeal,thanks to maxine's comments.

and if it's not murder2 the city will burn.

They'll riot in Austin...Just because.

"As jurors, you are being asked to make an important decision in this case," the judge said yesterday.

He outlined four key things the jury will need to do as they deliberate:

"One, take the time you need to reflect carefully and thoughtfully about the evidence."

"Two, think about why you are making the decision you are making and examine it for bias and reconsider your first impressions of the people and the evidence in this case and if the people involved in this case were from different backgrounds, for example, richer or poorer, more or less educated, older or younger or of a different gender, gender identity, race, religion or sexual orientation, would you still view them any evidence the same way?

"Three, listen to one another. You must carefully evaluate the evidence and resist, and help each other resist, any urge to reach a verdict imposed by biased for or against any party or witness. Each of you have different backgrounds and will be viewing this case in light of your own insights, assumptions and biases. Listening to different perspectives may help you to better identify the possible effects these hidden biases may have on decision making."

"Four, resist jumping to conclusions based on personal likes or dislikes. Generalizations, gut feelings, prejudices, sympathies, stereotypes or unconscious biases."

The judge noted that "in order for you to return a verdict, whether guilty or not, each juror must agree with that verdict. Your verdict must be unanimous. You should discuss this case with one another and deliberate with a view towards reaching an agreement."

Probably so; the protestors are too stupid to differentiate between murder and manslaughter. They will easily be whipped up and manipulated by MSM and social media to think anything less than a murder conviction is 'not guilty'.

I'm hearing they've reached a verdict. waiting for a link.

The jury has reached a verdict in the Derek Chauvin trial. It will be announced between 3:30 p.m. and 4p.m. local time.

WOW...that was quick. I expected them to debate the rest of the week.

I would say that favors the prosecution, but you never know.

If it was just the two murder charges, I think you might get a hung jury. Since the DA threw in the manslaughter charge, they gave the jury an out. It may take a day or so while the other jurors try to get the one or two holdouts up to the murder charge. However, in the end, they will fall back to manslaughter. If I was the foreman on the jury, the first thing I would have done is had a vote on each charge just to see where everyone has landed. That's what we did on a murder case I was on about 10 years ago. We also had the manslaughter/murder option. Initial vote was 12/12 on manslaughter, 10/12 on murder. About an hour later, it was 12/12 on the murder charge.

As other have said, no matter what, many cities will burn afterwards.

My bet is Manslaughter...

Didn't feel like editing my previous post. If they are coming back this quick, they found him guilty of something and I don't think it's going to be manslaughter. I think it's going to be Murder 3 at this point.

Speaking of... where did he run off to

Found guilty of all three charges !!!

What a crock of crap !

Guilty on all 3 charges!!! Facts matter.

I bet lots of thugs are mad there will be no riots tonight, guess they will have to wait for that color TV.

you're correct

that focker deserved it

Tin are you batting about 10 on the decade? Gotta give it to you. You never give up on being wrong.

Can we consolidate all these threads?

Not even speaking to his guilt but this is far from over. The judge kicked the can yesterday stating that there was already grounds for appeal because of Maxine stupid mouth. The judge and the jurors both kicked the can for that matter.

Don’t believe that he said there was already grounds. Believe he said it could be possible. There is a difference.

Well, at least POTUS commented on the verdict, before there was a verdict. What. An. IDIOT.

Well he got what he had coming, enjoy prison.

You think the jury caved in fear of retaliation?

There was zero reason to keep him down like that, zero. The cop [censored] up

Appeal appeal appeal. This was not justice served.

I guess it was NOT refuted.

for the perps safety? He was at a point where he was hurting himself. He was bouncing off the walls

Yeah Tin jasb needs to walk in the shoes of a peace officer before he goes judging. Oh wait.

Ya think?????

All he had to do was get up, instead he kept on 2 minutes after he died. Sorry man this guy fd up.

So the flip side is did Chauvin get a fair trial or have a chance at one? I do not believe so and Maxine waters proved that. Could Chauvin have done things differently and we wouldn’t be posting about this? I believe that is possible too, but I say that with caution because I’m not LE nor been in that situation. So I’m Monday morning quarterbacking here. It doesn’t change that he was never going to get a fair trial and as an American we should all be pissed at that.

You can bet they all got a call or visit from somebody in the beginning.

they protect their criminals and pervs. domestic terrorist

I could see this one going either way, but guilty on all three charges? That just doesn’t add up.

I think there's a good chance they had their minds made up before the trial began.

Dumb azz convict was saying he couldn’t breathe as soon as the cuffs went on him. Another slap in the LEOs face. They should go to work. Park their cars and answer their calls as slow as they can. Don’t chase no one, don’t do nothing but answer the call and take the report. LEOs can’t win.

Yup. Then the talking heads started. He was [censored] from the second he said "I do"

That is what is going on in every major city in our country right now, it's called the Ferguson Effect.

Sadly, this is the result of a one sided powerful media mob.... the jury caved just like the Supreme Court......

I just HATE "their" victory lap they are taking. I have to mute the news this morning. Just cant listen to it

#nailedit

Whether or not the drugs did it, or the jurors were intimidated; he sat on that guy’s neck with such a look of apathy on his face. I don’t celebrate him going to jail, but I do celebrate justice being done.

There’s something very dark in that man’s eyes. Even during the trial he looked empty.

Any priors?

Prior murders?

Incidents.

that's how he was able to exact torture on Floyd on the ground

watch him as the verdict was read by the judge, his eyes were back and forth

he's going to get the Dalhmer treatment from the inmates

In order for the protections provided by police departments to be effective, there will be loss of life involved. It's gonna happen. The thin blue line that protects society and keeps it orderly is being diminished to the point were tyranny will result. Might not be the hand of the government, but the unbridled thugs poised to take over when the PD loses all its teeth.

We may never get our country back on track after this. Dem's have really figured out how to swing elections. They no longer have to be covert about playing the race card. It's all they got, and it works.

Too many kids not getting spanked these days. When the man says do it or else... you do it.... OR ELSE!

When I tell my kids to do something if they disobey they get the or else. People are growing up with the i do what i want attitude and no consequences.

Yeppers. Ten million police contacts per year and very few will end violently. Of those even fewer actually are the officer's fault. Law enforcement does an outstanding job in some of the worse circumstances imaginable. And now this great nation has made a hero of a criminal. Unbelievable.

My guess is this will get overturned on appeal, and work it's way to the scotus.

Imagine the burden of dealing with uncooperative perps high on drugs. Imagine it taking place yesterday, this day, the next day and on and on ad nauseum.

Exactly. I couldn't do what they do. God bless and protect them. It wouldn't exactly make you a "people person".

Any rioting yet?

Oh yes, everybody and their brother is jumping on the band wagon with a victory lap. That sock cucker David Muir from ABC news needs to be throat punched along with all the other liberal media.

Cities that burned from "protest".

If we were at war we would be having our cities fire bombed...... Similar. The war is real , the news is fake