Having Zeon Zoysia installed next week, question?

I have had Torro Zoysia installed before at another home and loved it. I have been sold on this new zoysia called Zeon Zoysia. Has anyone had and first hand experience with this brand of Zoysia? I understand it is more drought and cold tolerant than Zorro.

The yard will be 80-90% sun these oaks are gone tomorrow.






Another question is,....reel mower or normal mulching blade?

Thanks.

What if Darryl Hannah chains herself to a tree ?

Well s]depends if it is current Darryl Hanna or 80's Darryl Hanna.

Reel mower.............LMAO. the yard is tiny. Just put in fake turf ya poser. Ya live in Arlington.

St Augustine under a pecan tree. It will all be green after I mow off the first bitten tops.

Get Julio's number from Red Ranger .

You Miss Texas?

What's wrong with this?

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Califor...hweOEAQYAiABEgJMqvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

I already have a lawn guy, I want to baby my front at first.

Coming from me, don't know if you will like it, but you will like it.

Okay man...........youre right. It will go with your cigar cutter.



Bud I'm just teasing ya. Live life as good as you can.

People don't understand......If I'm not teasing you then I don't like you.

Thank you, btw I respect you and your opinions, just sometimes do not agree.

I had the zeon zoysia and it didn’t last but 2 years. It was beautiful at first... very thick and green. My problem is my neighbors huge pear tree casting shade all over my yard. Had to go with St Augustine and it has been working well. Sounds like you don’t have the shade problem, so I’d think you will be okay. I mowed it with a regular Honda mower and it worked just fine.

Growing up we had tiff grass and used a reel mower made by McLane if I remember correctly and it was a beast. I would double cut the front yard and you could putt on it.

I hate the idea of killing those trees. Why you cutting those down?

Don't know about the grass...but you'll sure have a nice bunch of firewood from those trees.

my parents did zoysia grass last year in a probably a close to 8-9 hour a day sunshine area, it did great, but you've got to WATER IT in the summer. i let a soaker hose run on it for about an hour every other day, i think. it went all bare dirt this winter, but its coming back in a few spots now.

Reel mower and maintained under 1" is the route I'd go. I'd talk to CT direct instead of going thorough HD. You won't be able to buy from them I don't believe, but they will let you know the non box stores that you can by from that can do blade relief and/or bed knife sharpening if needed. That's not a easy source to find. Backlapping will serve you well. Oh and get a grooved front roller from reel rollers.

Come on buddy, show em what you’re talkin’ about!

Leaves....leaves.....the 4 months of leaves.

Reel mower will put a nicer close cut on it. Downside is the blades require more maintenance.

If you want that grass to live you better be installing a drip irrigation system before you lay it out...

Ha tree service will be here in a.m...No core charge! Will take them 3 days.

Man mine is nothing special. 70’s-ish model McLane. It’s a beast. Starts on the second pull. I’ll upgrade to a CT or something soon.

Like the old briggs

Not my cup of tea.

Can't believe yall are killing those trees. It only takes a minute or two to blow the leaves.

We put down zoysia this past fall at new home. Stayed green through the recent snow, not sure which zoysia it is. I will have to find out now. All good so far.

Superduty now would be a perfect time to get a soil test done before it gets installed and you put down any fertilizer. I don't know your location but if you're in DFW or another area with high Ph soils I'd get the Waypoint SW1 soil test.

I have nearly 40 oak trees - just mulch them with your mower and return that goodness to the soil. Most Zoysia will do okay in moderate shade. Just create a mulch circle around the drip lines of those oaks and then sod with Zoysia.

Put me in the keep the trees and F the grass group.

X2

X3. Ever heard diet and EXERCISE?

Not me, I like Grass

Not zoysia though....

Arden 15 baby!

Don't think he likes that either....

I see what you did there.

X4

I've never found any of the grass hybrids that did well in Texas, with our climate extremes.

Bermuda and St. Augustine top the list for a reason.

Keep the trees, and get a better mulching mower, like this one:

Keep the trees, and get a better mulching mower, like this one:
(it should handle downed limbs too )

Tree work has started,..you guys should have came out yesterday, climes the tree, built a hammock with food and supplies...front is getting knocked out.

I do believe, remove a tree and plant another one, which is what is being done.

The reason for the tree removal is leave do not always fall straight down and it is very windy for the 3-4 months these leaves fall. Th south wind covers my valleys in my roof and back patio constantly in the early and mid spring, the time I enjoy the patio the most.

So you tree huggers are too late.
New grass and new trees are being installed next week.

I could hear the trees screaming’ bloody murder from Bedford!

If you plant Bradford pears. . . .

Oh hell no!

Shumard Red Oaks. Beautiful fall red leaves(while the north wind blows) not on my roof or back porch.

I said this once before, I know what I am doing.

This oak stump was wet and smelled like it was rotting in middle(second picture) I could dig it out with my fingers.

Stump grinding tomorrow and going to tackle the massive cotton wood tomorrow and Friday in backyard.





Maybe got lucky on getting her removed.

I have to give you credit for tenacity.

Huge difference in curb appeal. Inside of the house should be brighter too.

I am hoping for a better curb appeal, and yes home is brighter, but sun in Summertime is on back of home. The shade does not really help my house in summertime.

I knew of a guy in the late 80's with a golf course/greenskeeper connection. He arranged to get all the plugs when the course was going to aerate and top dress the greens. He got his yard lightly tilled and raked smooth. He then spread the plugs, and in no time flat had a lush Bermuda grass yard. He used a powered reel more and it looked great!

It’s a shame about the trees, I guess not messing with leaves is worth the decrease in property value? But to each their own, as long as you like it. Just planted 4 more oaks on my place this past weekend.

Well I don't have to sell so not worried about property value. I am planting more landscape appropriate trees, though.

Did anyone notice how in the begining of their life they were not trimmed properly? There was no way to make them look aesthetically pleasing.

For awhile it will be big change but you will adjust to it.

I'm with you on that some fresh landscaping it will look like a new house!

Do you plan to put Roundup on your existing grass?

No they are going to dig it up.

It's obvious so many just do not fathom how important this is..

Sarcasm is not very becoming.

We trim 'em up big time. Use the dirty branch method until one gets to be about an inch in diameter and then off it goes. We like an umbrella canopy above, one that you can walk under and not a bushy tree looking thing with a spidered network of branches coming off it.

Somes questioning the choice of zoysia - I ain't getting that. One inch a week, collect the clippings, give it sun and whaalaa, nice green lawn with more drought tolerance. Actually makes a lot of sense here.

Summer gonna suck without the shade trees.

Not for me, the Sun in the summertime is on the north side of house.

Not unless you live south of Cuba.

Did they grind the stumps?

To each his own but I cry every time I lose a tree.

proof is in the pudding -

^^^^ That's the way I keep mine.
Trees require maintenance if you want them to look right.


I do love 'em, in Summer especially.

No way. My caladiums will be up next month.

I was wondering about trees that big. Surely there are some sizable roots that may have gone under the house?

PS- sorry I got nuthin to add about the zoysia.

Grinding them now.

What I mean is, the sun was full on roof and house anyway,..only shade I got was in wintertime. AGAIN, I know what I am doing.

I don't see anything wrong with what you've got - trees or sod.

A powered reel mower will give you the cleanest cut if that is what you are after. And I would be prepared to get after it about every 5 days to keep it tight. Zoysia can get thick and isn't easy to cut with any mower when it gets too high.

Simply digging out the old and laying new is less than ideal. Need to spray a couple rounds of glyphosate about a week apart, remove dead material, smooth and level, lay new sod. Ideally you could burn the material but some aren't comfortable doing it.

Reel mowers cut grass like scissors vs a rotary that beats and tears. The scissor cut is healthier, so the grass looks nicer. Also, reel mowers will cut lower than rotary. Zoysia, like Bermuda, does better shorter than taller. The lower you want to cut the more level you'll need the yard to be (regardless of mower type) otherwise you'll get scalp spots. The lower you keep it the more often you'll want to cut. To combat the additional mowing you can spray Plant Growth Regulator (Quali-pro T-nex - seems expensive but a little bit goes a *long* way) to slow down growth. Also, if neighbors have St. Augustine keeping your grass lower will help keep their St. Augustine out since it likes to be taller.

Nice green lawn? That looks horrible turf wise. Spotty AF at best. No proof in the pudding.

See?

"Nice green lawn? That looks horrible turf wise. Spotty AF at best. No proof in the pudding." You shouldn't make your mind up up as if you know everything."

Yep, its Zoysia and we are glad for what it is. When that was my office, watered it and weekly, cut it every two weeks and it was like a golf course. People always thought I was violating drought restrictions, but was not. The tenants there are great (lovey me them girls), but they don't even water it. That lawn was planted 14 years ago and it has held up extremely well and especially considering we were 22 inches behind in rain fall last year. Spring has just sprung and that there Zoysia is indeed spotty, but already green from the snow melt moisture (I guess). Amplifies its resiliency. Cannot imagine what St. Augustine would like like there given the same rain deficit. Like I said, proof is in the pudding.

Sorry if I came off sounding like a dick and re-reading it I did. My apologies. I don't know your location. But most turf is just now coming out of dormancy and not "greened" up yet in DFW. (censored) loads of poa annua is up and poppin and makiing lawns look green. But it will die off soon. Again, sorry. I look forward to updated pics this year.

Bunch of tree huggers on here lol, I can’t vouch for your grass choice but I went with TIF 419 and it looks amazing, it’s high maintenance but it looks like a golf course putting green when you do it right. I would agree that you would have been better off nuking everything before they pulled up the old grass, your going to be fighting it for a while after the new sod Is put down but you will figure that out lol I nuked ours and then dug up the top 12”s and put in better soil but that was way overkill looking back. Good luck and do your soil samples ASAP if you haven’t already..
I have an old reel mower if you want to get it running and sharpen the blades you can have it. It ran perfect when I stopped using it, the blades were just dull. Clean the carb and sharpen them up and your good to go, I’m going to toss it in the dump otherwise. Not messing with trying to sell it.

Derek is helping alot of folks with their yards and planting this year. He meant no harm. He did not tell me I needed a [censored] areator though lol

What's a ball park price of doing this on an average size yard?

Sorry buddy. He’s A-holes and elbows deep in all my questions lately. I’ll share

We have a sod farm about 10 miles down the road that grows the TIF and if memory serves me right it wasn’t that bad, seems like it was about $200 per pallet and a pallet covers about 450sf. We picked it up out of the field as they cut it and had it laid down within a couple hours of it being cut. The best part of this grass imo is once you have it going good it chokes out all of the weeds and is pretty hard to screw up after that. You do have to dethatch it once a year but it grows like a mad man and looks amazing. If you prefer it a little taller it looks like a green rug above an inch tall.

700 before the areator. Legit progam though.

How did you go about nuking your yard?

What program is this? I’d pay $700 for sure to do something about my crappy yard lol

Same thing I said. Derek will send you the list.

I sprayed it with round up 3 times over the course of 3 weeks and let it sit an extra week after that, it was severe overkill but I didn’t want to deal with any weeds when I was done. My neighbor sprayed his and then used the rolled plastic method which is to cover the grass with black plastic for a week and his was a lot faster and worked as good if not better. I would use this method myself if I did it again, spray it, let it sit for half a day, water it and then cover it up. It’s dead within a few days, if it’s a big yard the round up will work pretty quick as long as you do it when it’s actively growing.

Growing up we would rent a dethatch machine and then a “billy goat” vacuum to suck it all up. I had to do it every other year and it was a job... bet I would get 30-40 bags. It did look great the next year though.

At the end of the summer, we would simply mow it short as can be (ie: scalp it) and rake it up. Always came back strong and very little in the way of anything invasive.

I leave mine high and dry at the end of summer.

Hey SD...........plant mexican sycamore trees.

Howard Garrett the dirt doctor loves these trees

I think I’ll kill my grass off starting this weekend.

If you have any questions shoot me a pm, I’m not a professional by any means but I’ve learned some very expensive lessons along the way Pull soil samples before you nuke it to get ahead of the game, local Coop will test them for free most of the times or at worst a few bucks. I’d pull samples, nuke it, remove current sod, level it and lay the new stuff down. If you were closer I’d load up a skid steer with a bucket and Harley Rake and make short work of it.

Really appreciate that. I wish I was closer because I was wondering how I’m going to pull that part off! Figure I’ll tackle It when I get there!

The sod company is suppose to scrape yard, spray, then remove old sod , level and plant new sod. I believe that process will take almost a week for the chems to work.This rain is holding him back, though.

Maybe start next week. Thank you all for the advice.

Post some pictures when they get it done, I enjoy seeing yards transform especially when the trees are removed

Good luck!

I'll take the reel mower if nobody else does. I'm assuming it's an old McLane? What's your location?

Screw driver test it. If you can poke a screw driver into it easily, aeration typically isn't needed.

Don't try to use logic on him.

It’s the same model you posted a pic of but it has a grass catcher on the front of it. Bad news is it’s already been spoken for, I was literally about to haul it off next week so perfect timing for it to go away.

I need to go back and look. But I think your cost dropped a lot sourcing APF vs HD. A lot of the cost is granular pre emergent which is key for the good stuff, but pricey vs spraying at the proper app rates. Specially Gallery(isoxaben). It's so damn expensive in a granular you damn near have to cut it out of the budget on a large sq footage like you have. It's mostly for broadleaf's and they are easy to control post so cutting it out is ok. If you can afford, it great. A good lawn is pretty easy. Don't buy into most off the youtubers and buying products. Stick to basic agronomy and science Get a good soil test, proper N/P/K, pre emergent, address your soil Ph and for the most part you're good. Make adjustments as needed.

If you don't want to get a soil test and just want to buy something to spread. Get 13-13-13 or 15-5-10 and roll with it. I'd target 0.5-1lndb of Nitrogen a month on Bermuda. 0.5 or a little lower on St Aug and Zoysia. Lots of fertilizer calculators online. I like this one linked below. Punch in the #'s and know how much on X product to apply per month or preferably every 2 weeks split up. Products like Scott's if you do the math you're applying 1lb of N per bag per the 1000 sq ft per the rec on the bag. It may say to apply every 8 weeks. So really you're applying 1/2 pound of N over 8 weeks. I like to go heavier on Bermuda. If you're in NTX, west of and down through San Antonio if you can find a Nitrogen source that is Ammonium Sulfate vs Urea in a prill is the way to go. Not easy to find. American Plant Food Corp is one.
http://agebb.missouri.edu/fertcalc/

Stay in your lane post counter.

That's cool! Glad someone got it. If he sees this or PM him there are lots of backlapping vids on youtube. Do that and rock out if the bed knife isn't jacked. Going to be a fun little project for someone.

Derek, what’s the program and will you come to Weatherford to get me on It?

Tried sending you a PM, but you're full. No one program is the same. Soil test would be great. We could wing it though. Tying in Ol Thumper and Mickey Moose into the conversation would be good. They know their stuff. Round table.

I'll clean the pms up. Appreciate the heads up.

I try to steer clear of pms.

Start a group PM with us or start a new thread.

A new thread would be great.

^This. New thread or a generic lawn care thread would be fun.

If anyone starts a thread I’ll throw down whatever info I can provide, I’ll even offer to load up a skid steer to help anyone fairly close by. They sure beat manual labor