Ft. Worth pileup

Just saw on the news there's a huge freeway pile-up in Ft. Worth. Prayers for all involved. I hope no THF'ers are in it.

Fort worth has some of the crappiest roads and overpass in the state.

I suspect probably something to do with road consruction over there

that's a horrible stretch of road even when it's dry and sunny out.

https://twitter.com/KenKalthoffNBC5/status/1359886664143937537?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

For those of you on Facebook there is a video on Dallas TV....it's bad.

Upwards of 100 vehicles and 3 confirmed dead so far.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a...uts-down-i-35w-in-fort-worth/ar-BB1dBnjk

three dead

https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...motorway-emergency-incident-fire-engines

Just watched some video...

I've seen this BS with my own eyes out working wrecks..

These days are the worst when the roads don't look bad but are obviously slick. People think they can still drive 70-80mph.

I'd rather the roads be completely covered in snow and ice, at least then nobody dies because they can see it's bad so for the most part people slow down.

It's when they look ok but are actually icy that things like this happen...

Also throw looking down at your phone into play.

At Least 3 Dead After Pileup Involving 75-100 Cars & Trucks Traps Drivers, Shuts Down I-35W In Fort Worth

6 deceased as of now

Fort Worth 100-vehicle pileup leaves at least 3 dead, multiple people injured: officials

https://www.foxnews.com/us/fort-worth-texas-vehicle-freeway-crash-fatalities-injuries

So grateful I don't have to drive in that mess anymore. Prayers up for all of you that do.

Express lanes...no where to go

Why is all that funneled into what looks like 2 lanes????

toll roads. worst idea ever.

Never mind.....just saw express lanes.......SMDH

That oil lease right there beside the freeway is lucky one didn't slide off the highway and sheer off the christmas tree. Then we'd have a blowout in the backup.

The video of that FedEx truck launching into the pile is bad.

Prayers to all.

I watched that. He was going way too fast. I took my sweet arse time getting into work this a.m. Know it pissed some people off, and I don't give a crap.

Prayers up for all involved in this.

prayers up

Listen to the sounds in that video...chilling.

Stuff of nightmares watching those type of crashes.

Please people slow the hell down in bad weather. If there is potential for ice or if it's super foggy, just slow down. Just over a year ago Lubbock lost a firefighter and had another badly injured by a driver who lost control and hit them. The driver was flying down the interstate with a cruise set on a early morning that was wet and below freezing.

My opinion is if you are driving like that and lose control and kill someone, you should go away for manslaughter.

I always take the toll road when I go through there.

The roads north of there were good to go this morning. People get complacent and forget that there could be slick spots anywhere. Doesn't take much of a bad spot to create that mess.

Recommended video under that is live from Austin with a 26 car pileup

Just slow down PERIOD...............weather be damned. JUST SLOW DOWN. AND DRIVE. That's your 1 job when youre at the wheel. TO DRIVE

I drove by that pileup just a few minutes after it happened, trying to get to Amarillo for a funeral. The roads were pretty bad that morning. When you see that many emergency vehicles in an area ahead of you on a day like that, maybe, just maybe, the thought should cross your mind about what might happen in the next few seconds.

I think FedEx is going to be writing some big checks. There are some personal injury attorneys wringing their hands right now.

Driving too fast for conditions!

I still say ban big rigs from inside the metroplex during the worst winter weather. Whether the wreck(s) was caused by one or not they surely contributed to the deaths.

very very bad

I'm not 100% sure which way the traffic is suppose to be flowing in this picture.

I think every time I have driven in Dallas in bad weather there is a wrecked FedEx truck. They really need to just park those tandem rigs when the weather is bad. The lawyers are licking their chops and counting their money. Ben Abbott is probably in Ft. Worth right now.

Horrible. I’m shocked that there were no fires. That would have made horrible situation even worse.

I took my sweet time getting to work and had no issues. I was shocked by the number of DBags driving fast and making multiple lane changes.

The mess started with an 18-wheeler vs patrol car and then the pile got bigger.

Prob caused by someone driving with their hazard lights on

People can barely drive in the rain up here, add in the ice and they lose their damn minds. Monday between Sherman and Denison we have 50-60 wrecks. First Responders were very busy that day.

That FedEx truck slamming into the pile is hard to watch.

Maybe you're not sure what interstates are for.

I would think about two things, one in icy conditions, and one all the time.

Close the express lanes in ice.....there is no escape area....you're penned in, like this morning.

And just like a lot of left lanes on highways, prohibit these big rigs from the express lanes all the time.

That makes sense

I’ll go even further: ban big rigs from anywhere inside loop 820 during peak traffic hours. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

since there will be no deliveries, you won't have a pipe to smoke out of.

I couldn’t just walk around taking video like that. I’d have to be up there helping if I could once the crashing stopped.

It’s riveting video. Put the damn phone down

Create hubs to offload to smaller box trucks. I’ve thought about this for many years.

What if they just stay off the express lanes? In good weather, the west bound stretch of 183 that goes down to 1 lane, they hold up the line puttin’ down the road. That’ll irritate you when you’re paying to use it


Theres gonna be there for a long while peeling back the layers of vehicles. Watching the live feed, they just rescued a dog

There is a video from an angle on the opposite side of the highway...it is very hard to watch...there was an FJ cruiser (or some kind of smaller sized SUV) that more or less disintegrated in about 2 seconds.....very sad deal.

Seen numerous wrecks today from 18 wheelers out here in VZ county. They refuse to slow down.

FedEx driver in that video needs the book thrown at him...from different angles he had time to bury the tractor into the guardrail to at least eat up some momentum...but he waited too long to try to do something.

I live in Justin and work in Argyle. We didn't have anything but 6 miles south and 12 miles north were both slick My sister works in insurance investigation said their phones are already ringing.

As of 1:30 they were still working the accident scene to untangle vehicles.

They're now 8 confirmed dead and many in hospitals. I pray for everyone involved including the families and the first responders.

Warning - very graphic

About the 1 min mark is the FJ and FedEx truck. People need to slow the [censored] down. This is sad.

Y’all better hug your loved ones every chance you get and tell them you love them enough they know it. Things like this happen and it’s too late. Breaks my heart for the families involved in this

That sounds like a neat idea until you add in the extra cost.

If it gets cold for a week no gas no toilet paper no food.

Man it must hurt getting out of bed everyday.

Yes we can let the government streamline this great idea!

Lucky it didn't catch fire.

I'm going on record as saying all these toll roads was the biggest scam ever pulled on the metroplex.

Toll roads are 1 thing. This was an express lane.

I don't like these stupid GOVT car pool lanes either................just open up the GD lanes. We paid for them.

Yep. Such BS.

From the top of the screen to the bottom.

Saw that video, was haunting to watch. Very sad.

So that’s right in front of Mercado Juarez?

Move to the country.

🙏

Eight fatalities so far is what I just heard.
It’ll probably take at least a couple of days for clean up and investigation.

That was horrific, some of those families will be lucky to have a bucket of family members parts to bury. The semi drivers need to be thrown in jail for manslaughter at minimum...

Do they tag vehicles based on fatalities? I see little tags on all of them.

Probably tagged the ones that have been searched,

I have heard that Fed Ex does not require their drivers speak English. Not sure if that is true but it has been going around for a while about their drivers.
How could they read a warning sign about an accident or road conditions if they can't read English ?

Also any of you truckers know if any of you use CBs anymore ? Seems they would get an alert out much faster about something like this to slow drivers down than a cell phone.

Damn.

I don't get why, with everyone coming and crashing behind them, people just sat inside their vehicles waiting to be hit.

And time. Add a extra day for delivery times for all your internet orders

Yes.

I doubt fedex trucks have CB’s.

Think how much money and time is lost every day due to big rigs tearing up the roads and getting stuck on overpasses. If you don't commute daily in the metromess you really don't know how bad it is. Truckers used to be professionals, now anyone and their sister can be a trucker in a matter of weeks.

You would lose way more time and money if they were banned.

Every semi you banned from the city would add 2-3 box trucks and drivers.

I'm sure that would end great

looks like the GO Transport semi caused the most carnage. dude was haulin azz

californians dont know how to drive in the ice

Ole Jimbo thinks his goods can be delivered by unicorn drawn wagons powered by ferry dust.

Gotta think out of the box. How many Box trucks do you see stuck vs big rigs.

This country runs because of trucks.

Many prayers up for all of the deceased, injured and all of their love ones that will have to deal with this for a very long time

Very sad deal. This is the main reason 18 wheelers should not be allowed on the toll ways! I see near misses all the time with the big trucks. And most are going at least 10MPH under the posted limit.

That's a long,downward hill from 28th st going towards the river,covered with ice I'm sure it was a recipe for disaster.I drove it many times during my 33 years living in Fort Worth. Some of those drivers might have been full on braking and it wouldn't do any good. Prayers up for the 5 people sent to the promised land.

My thoughts exactly. First thing I was taught by coach was if you have to slam on your breaks, look in the rear view. If I slammed them on and hit someone else, I’m definitely looking at the next step in that chain reaction

Sometimes simple things aren’t so simple when your in shock. Kind of like putting a tourniquet on a battle buddy in training is way easier than when they a squirting blood out of an artery. Stress makes everything more difficult.

Yep. The cars and pickups would donk into one another and that part was over. Then an 18 wheeler would come flying thru and grind everything up.

Horrible scene. Just watching that video make my stomach hurt. Sorting out the fault will take a while. There will me massive lawsuits I expect. I drive that way to see my mom and grandparents at Greenwood Cemetery. Be hard to not think about what happened on my next trip.

Its noones fault....its just a collective F up.

Its the same thing here. Express means toll.

It's probably more dangerous to exit your vehicle in a situation like that.

Can you imagine listening to that going on around you? No win situation for sure.

Yes that's one of the things that drives me nuts about today's society fault has to be set somewhere when sometimes it's just a terrible accident.

I don't know about fault, but I'd hate to be that semi driver when they play the video in court.

Except that the express lanes are paid for by mostly foreign firms who collect the money.

I’ve no problem with that, other than what I said earlier....because there is no “runoff” area. In icy conditions, this is what can happen. So close them in icy conditions.

And what someone else said, if I am paying to drive on one, and a big rig is driving 10 or 15 mph under the limit, it completely defeats the purpose of paying to drive there.

Prohibit big trucks from driving express lanes....today would have been infinitely less deadly.

You pay for both, yes but only have a choice for the express lane. Look at 121 past grapevine, used to just be a road. Now you pay, or drive 25 miles out of the way.

This is crazy...

That was hard to watch.

Wow!

been telling yall for years, conspiracy theory of course, and most are a lot are owned by china and other foreign countries.

Absolutely. The safest place to be is in your vehicle. Unless it's on fire.

if I look up and see a truck coming, the OTHER side of the concrete border is where I’d rather be.

In that situation I'm not so sure - especially if you can quickly exit and get across the barrier where traffic is obviously stopped.

In one of the videos you can see a guy pop up - he jumped out of his car seconds before one of the 18 wheelers hit because he saw it coming - his car was flattened and he would not have survived.

Yeah I'm the heck out of that vehicle mucho pronto.

Terrible incident.

133 vehicles total involved according to the local news.

I think that if they can make laws against talking or texting while driving why not make it mandatory to reduce speeds when the situation warrants it? If they can post amber alerts, silver alerts, buckle up and numerous other messages why not slow down it’s the law or something like it on those electronic bill boards and enforce it. We pay a lot of tax dollars in this State and I don’t think that this is too much to ask. Yea it may be a pain in the [censored] to drive slower, but if it would save a life I’m all for it. I always said if you need to be some where sooner, leave earlier. Sorry for the rant, thanks 🙏

that thinking is why we are here to begin with . To many people need to be told what to do to save themselves. The "smarter" the cars and tech get the ignorant the worse the driving gets. You stop thinking until you drive a 50,000lb missile at 70MPH into the back of 100 cars in a ice storm because you were waiting for a buzzer to go off.

I am one of those $%%#@@$% truck drivers that y'all all hate so much. I have been driving, selling ,towing or working on them for over 50 years. We don't like being around you in your cars anymore than you like to be around our trucks. The big problem is we don't run, y'all don't survive. We have let the driver pool be filled with trainees and criminals( yes TDC is one of the biggest trainers in Texas). Go to jail and come out a truckdriver. The fine for us being caught using a cell phone is up to $4200 to the driver. Do the same for car drivers. I spend more time dodging cars than I do driving nowdays. This was a terrible accident but don't blame the truckdrivers. Most of these I have seen have the cause being some DA in a car not paying attention. I left east Texas this morning headed to Ft. Worth and after being stopped in I20 three times before getting near Canton.( All were cars in the ditches and wrecked on the road) I turned around and went home. Not worth it! You can't cure stupid but you can let them drive a car.

So, so sad.

Soon the cars will be smarter than the average driver and they will all be talking to each other in a networked system.

Then... the hackers and viruses will mess it all up.

I had no idea big rigs getting stuck was such a massive problem that it would be better to put 3 times more drivers on the streets in box trucks. I'm sure all the drivers you find to operate them will be fantastic

And if your load is 35ft-40ft long.........

I guess you are just out of luck or will have to hire a helicopter.

I'm agreeing with you.

I’m surprised this didn’t happen down here in San Antonio, so many terrible drivers.

Some of what yall guys say is absolutely ridiculous, and I'm being kind when I say that.

First of all why would you want the FedEx driver to be charged? Everyone involved in that accident failed to avoid the accident..... but yet you want to place all blame on the big truck, a big truck that could possibly weigh 80k pounds, going down hill, while hitting black ice..... yeah that seems fair. Have any of yall gone down a hill with a full load on your back? If you haven't I'll tell what happens. You pick up speed, and if you can't brake you just continue to until you hit something or start to go back uphill.

I once was going 5 mph on a glazed road. I hit the breaks at the four way stop, and I just slid through the intersection and never slowed down, even though I was standing on the brakes.

The last thing we want is hurt someone, or ourselves for that matter. One bad day in a truck could also mean our job, or even our career

Then there's the whole speaking English comment, really? I guess none of the people that drove those 133 vehicles could read English...... come on man. The ignorance is unreal.

Lastly, the no big trucks in the city is about the most ridiculous thing, and again I'm being nice when I say that.... come on man your better then that.

Same people who cried when there was no toilet paper in the stores a few months ago....

Yep.

Biggest problem I see in bad weather are those who are overly cautious or out right scared, they impede traffic and create serious problems. They'll slam on the brakes in a heartbeat creating a chain reaction of responses. Out here in West Texas we have some serious problems with big rigs but it's not the ones hauling local or cross country, it's the oilfield rigs. Many of these folks are running 24 hours a day and chemically charged, this is wide open country and they still mangle a few everyday.

Yeah the stupid stacked up like that pile up with the dumb comments.

S. A.. Hunter is a friend of mine.

Did you see that man stand up at the concrete barrier after the FJ collision? It looks like he came out of one of those vehicles. I didn't see him there before the crash happened.

I agree100%.

I hit black ice coming off dry pavement just like those people did......there is NOTHING you can do but hold on for the ride and hope to live to tell it.......the Bronco II I was driving rolled at least 5 times.....I sat there and watched each vehicle hit that black ice going 55+ miles an hour and they were helpless and crashing all over the place.......when you hit it your speed INCREASES and there is no way to slow down........those criticizing need to [censored] their pie holes and pray for the victims!

Not blaming anybody on accident but how many big rigs come and go to the metro plex day and night just to supply all goods needed for several million people on a daily basis. Without those big rigs people would go hungry. How many hamburger buns are used in a 24 period .

Did they pause the clean up when it got dark last night?

it is the law to reduce speed for certain driving conditions

Nope, still out there with bobcats and dumpsters moving debris

S A my English speaking comment was a real question, I see it all the time up here . You really think all those driver speak and read English ?
We have these types of accidents too often on I-80.
Can they read a warning sign ? Asking so inform me .
Come on up and stop in at any of our truck stops out side of town, I see and hear drivers struggling to order food in English, they talk on their phone in other languages, are they b bilingual, maybe but they sure don't seem to be.
We've been run off the road by foreign drivers that didn't heed the warning signs about lane closures or dangerous conditions. Not hard to figure out when they are wearing a turban.

I asked a question, are truck drivers required to be able to read English, it their driving test in English ? Because just like I stated, we have heard from other truck drivers that FedEx does not require English to drive for them.

this is the truck that crushed the FJ Cruiser, lifted the white Chevy pick up straight in the air, knocked another vehicle over the wall.

Truck drivers are required to pass a written and driving test to get their cdl. I don’t remember it in Spanish but I could be wrong. What type of warning sign are you referring to? Caution, horrible pile up right around the corner?

Question? Where did this guy come from after the big wreck at 2:05 in the video?

Angel of Death maybe

We wont hold that against him...

It looked like he got puked out of the FJ maybe. Isn't it the one that went over the barrier?

I think that was someone who got out already and was lucky to see it coming and duck down. Dadgum freakin lucky!!

This accident was ALL OVER the news yesterday people talking about it, i got texts emails and phone calls about it plus every news feed in texas had a bit or two or more on it. This morning I was passed by a tailgating 18-wheeler on the overpass highways down town SA doing probably about 10 miles an hour over the limit.

I know we didnt have any ice, but dang, you think after yesterday folks would be at least a little more cautious. I think driving a rig would be fun, but I do not envy the people who do it, im sure they have to put up with a lot of carp from other drivers and im sure they do their fare share of stupid stuff too.

And people want flying cars.

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It seems like I remembering The Jetson's sat in traffic jams too.

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FAA will require automated control for certification.

They have computer driven trucks up and down I-45 almost every day already. Did y’all know that?

Wouldn’t flying cars be called airplanes? I don’t want one of those but I would take a jet pack!

They’re talking about all the investigations right now about this pile up. The agency that runs this express lane says 2 days ago they treated everywhere. I truly think it got missed. Unless they can show me gps tracking of the truck, WHILE dispensing the slurry, and can ONLY show gps while dispensing, I think it got missed. Too many stories of having a transition of perfectly dry to straight up black ice.

Everywhere else that had been treated showed signs of it. You could tell. The bridges that had enough precipitation to turn into ice were wet still by 11A.M.

Just sayin.

I bet 132 out of 133 vehicles would have slowed WAY down if they knew what was ahead of them. Ya always have to have one idiot when making predictions...

Black ice going downhill is the worst. A while back I came into work and the supervisor called me into the office. He asked me to stop at a wreck site of one of our drivers, and look for a picture of his son that the driver had wanted to find...... he told me the story behind the pic. The drivers son had died 6 months prior to the accident. To top it off our driver was now paralyzed from the neck down.... I guarantee you the driver didn't want to have an accident, but once you crest that hill the cake has already been baked, and now your just along for the ride.

At the end of the day it was a horrible design for that stretch. you have 4 seconds to be in the right place or you'll miss your turn and cars coming from every direction. IMO there is nothing short of a complete redesign that would have prevented this accident. It was a time bomb waiting to go off. Just my

Did it start right at the express exit to the plebs 35w right before downtown? If so I agree 100%. Used to drive that route to work every morning.

where 121 and a spur from downtown comes in heading south. so yes, before town. I'm guessing in front of Mercardo juarez.

I was a manager for a fedex ground contractor for a year and I have a good friend that owns another larger contractor.

All fedex ground trucks are owned and operated by contractors, every one of them. Fedex Ground owns trailers, not trucks.

I can assure you that Fedex has a stringent safety requirement, they also required all trucks to have cameras in them. Any trucks added to fedex now have to have all of the safety tech added to them. Collision Mitigation, lane departure warning, cameras, but none of that would have helped in this situation.

As far as hiring drivers, they do not require drivers to speak english as far as I know but it is required by FMCSA, however there are a ton of drivers that do not understand english. I am currently a freight broker and speak to a ton of drivers every day. This accident is going to be a legal mess for everyone involved. Every one of these driver was responsible for being in the accident. These drivers were all driving to fast for conditions. I am sure the majority got on the toll lanes so that they could driver faster.

I feel for all of their families, this is absolutely horrible. I am glad all of my DFW friends and family avoided this.

Stay safe out there and if you are not confident you can drive, stay out of this mess coming next week.

Would this crash have been avoided if they spoke English, assuming of course they didn’t?

I have worked in logistics for the last 10 years. This doesnt even compute. They are used for different things. Box trucks tend to do local deliveries, semis tend to deliver regionally or cross country. It would make sense that there are more semi trucks on the main North-South interstate for the middle of the country that spans from Mexico to almost Canada. You have pie in the sky ideas about how this works.

If your magic idea happened, your price of ALL goods would be significantly higher and significantly more delayed.

I'm not familiar with the area, but from what I hear it is downhill for a long way. Because of the big trucks height we are able to see for a longer distance then four wheelers. So as soon as the trucks would of been at their highest point they would of seen the brake lights. They would of know what was coming a long way out, but where unable to do anything about it. Once a road gets glazed the only thing to do is to shut it down. A sign would of done nothing if they were already on the ice. The only thing that could of stopped this is to close the highway sooner...... but I dont know if it was possible.

That isnt true in the eyes of the law. Every one of the vehicles that rear ended someone else was driving too fast for conditions.

This is also not true.

if you have the time and are able, in this specific instance, you get out of your car and move forward or at least to the other side of the barrier. The force of a laden 80,000lbs semi exerts at 50 MPH is more than a stick of TNT. It is literally the force of a bomb hitting your stopped vehicle. Which is why that FJ cruiser was compacted into the size of a smart car.

In this instance, there was no shoulder for vehicles to bail to like a lot of pileups up north. This was a funnel of death. There was no where for vehicles to go. Many truck drivers try to bail instead of hit someone.

The courts will ultimately figure that out. That said, to my way of thinking, your statement would be true only if the drivers knew of the conditions far enough ahead before they encountered the black ice. Once they hit it, going downhill? No chance at this point.

Dude, there are laws currently that describe what you are talking about. It is called driving too fast for conditions. Which is why if you rearend someone in the rain, you will likely get a ticket.

I was driving through DFW at the same time, they knew. The whole of dfw was a sheet of Ice. On top of that, there was a winter weather advisory. The drivers knew or should have known.

Thank you, i am a broker currently, have managed a 20 truck company, have my CDL and have driven. I am still going through this thread. There are terrible "professional" truck drivers out there just like there are people that are terrible in every other industry.

In Texas, you are allowed to have a translator there for the written and driving test. I know because I saw it while taking mine.

The FMCSA (Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration) requires driver to be able to read, write, and speak english. That doesn't happen though in practice.

Just me- I don't understand any judge with sense allowing
all the different lawsuits there are these days.
You are pretty much responsible for yourself, and unless
somebody else creates a condition or scenario that's contrary
to law or common sense, you're on your own in this world.
Been that way for hundreds, for thousands of years.
When you stepped out of your cabin 200 years ago,
a hostile person could have killed you on the spot, a
wild animal could have jumped on you and mauled you,
your mule might have kicked you in the head while you
were getting loaded up to go to the trading post.
If nothing else, a meteor might fall out of the sky and
crush you.

We're all headed toward death the minute we pop
out of the womb. I guess a person might lay still in
bed all day, and maybe nothing would happen.
I sure don't want to live my life thinking that way.

Life isn't accident proof, and every bad thing that
happens isn't negligence on somebody's part
that you should sue for

If what you say is true, why were the highways still open? Especially the elevated parts? And if you knew the city was a sheet of ice. Then why were you on the road?

100% but people get into their emotions real quick like.....

What changed is that 200 years ago when someone did something that caused you or your family harm, it was acceptable to go cause harm back to them and their family. These days people do that with the court system instead of a fist, knife, or a gun.

I generally agree with you. I will tell you that 0 part of me was going to take any toll lanes that morning. I drove from Hurst to Addison, nearly 30 miles and made it without incident.

Everyone stay safe out there. Dont drive outside of your capabilities and don't intentionally drive in a death trap.

The treated roads were fine. I’m tellin y’all, this section was missed.

Because i know that driving it is within my capabilities.

Go look up the weather from that day. The news was saying if you didnt need to driver, don't. As previously stated, I work in logistics and my job is significantly hampered when not being able to be with my team. I move freight all over the country, not just ft worth.

You are telling me that this is the ONLY bridge in DFW that had ice on it. You and i both know that isn't true. I drove it, and not every piece of road was ice, but there was A LOT of it on the road. Knowing that conditions exist that can cause ice, means that you need to slow down.

Not sure why you are trying to argue with me, these drivers were all driving too fast for conditions. There was freezing rain falling at the time, with previous precipitation and sustained temperatures under freezing. I have lived in Texas my whole life, through multiple snow storms in N Texas. Not one time has a whole metroplex closed every road here. It has not happened.

Stay safe out there SA Hunter, the roads are supposed to be nasty from Central Texas all through the mid South, Mid West, NE, PNW, and all of the mountain states. I hope for safety for everyone and for people to use common sense.

You could be right...... this would explain why there wasn't pileups all over the city....

The treated roads were better, they werent fine. I drove on clearly treated lanes of 635 and there were still spots with ice.

I would like to see your capabilities on a sheet of ice..... and not just spots of ice. There's a big difference.

I am not saying they could have stopped. I am saying that these vehicles were driving too fast for conditions. I will tell you right now, I will put any amount of money you want on it. There will be lawsuits filed and judgements granted against multiple parties saying citing the drivers driving too fast for conditions.

I'm sure you could of pulled off what 133 others couldn't.......sure, okay.....

I see how this is gonna go. Not saying you're a know it all but.... OK, Yeah. I am.

I've driven 1.7 million miles with no accidents, and I could guarantee you I would of been in that pileup with all the others because I know I can't control a big truck on a sheet of ice..... I'm human.

Yes, you are right. I would have made the choice not to drive in the toll lanes. The same choice I made when I did not get in the toll lanes on 183 or on 635 on my way to work.

The one thing every one of those drivers had in common was they got in the toll lanes. Who generally gets in the toll lanes? People that want to drive faster than the flow of traffic on the highway.

Of course I dont know what each one of them had going through their minds, but they each made the decision to get in the toll lanes. A death trap that you cant get out of on a good day.

I will bet that you wouldnt have made the decision to get in the toll lanes either. Because that is what a safe driver does. Know your out, in the toll lanes there are no outs.

Is there a law that says they have to be treated? Or is it just a safety courtesy? Who is responsible for treating is it private contractors or actual Txdot?

I drive that section of highway, in the Express lanes, quite a bit on my way to meetings downtown. As others have mentioned, it is a downhill section, but also, as traffic goes under 28th Street, the highway bends slightly to the left making that upcoming section to Northside Drive out of the line of sight for the most part. Also, yesterday, the roads were fairly clear up in the Alliance area, so lots of folks who may have been coming from the north, Denton, Roanoke, Keller, etc., might have had a false sense for the road conditions. 75 mph limit there as well. Slow down people...

Tragic for all involved and RIP for those who lost their lives.

I dont think that there is a law saying it has to be treated but cant find anything to cite.

I will tell you that the lines are definitely gray here because NTTA is responsible for the maintenance of toll roads, and this happened on the toll lanes.

A friend of mine said he saw a statement by a state rep that is pivoting the blame at the express lane owner/entity stating txdot has been warning of the no shoulder condition for a while. I tried to find something on it and could not. Anyone seen that?

If that's true I'm sorry but someone at txdot had to approve the original plan.

Everyone can agree that this is tragic.

Definitely slow down. Current weather shows 3 degrees on Sunday and snowing in the mid cities.

You are 100% correct, but my reason for telling my two buddies not to take the toll roads in Austin on their way to Temple was because there would be less traffic on the tolls allowing ice to form faster, and to stay on the roads that have the most traffic, thus the most heat on it. Plus I don't know who maintains the toll roads. Some drivers thought the opposite. Their thinking was that less traffic would mean less chance of an accident. We all make our own decisions.

Decisions, decisions.

Again, when the roads are icy, and there is an express lane with no "out", close it down. Easy fix.

Done all the time on things like the High Five.

Yes, it makes things slower....but in these conditions, doesn't really matter.

Company called North Tarrant Express, a public/private partnership maintain the express lanes. They say they treated the roads. I have 0 knowledge of any laws stating they have to. I’d be lying if I said one way or the other.

I like this. They had them blocked off on 183 going into Dallas after this happened

Bullfrog you were on it from the start. This could be interesting....

I bet lots of tickets were written.

I guess FedEx and UPS hubs are "pie in the sky."

Oh my god..... not every company deals in delivery. Some have to fill up stores with trailer after trailer everyday. Some warehouses are built on the out skirts initially, but the area gets developed around them in 50 years.... what are they supposed to do? Pick up and move?

This argument reminds me of the argument on the next door app. people that bought houses next to the airport 30 years ago, and now thinks there are too many planes flying overhead. True story i chet you not...... they want the city to move the airport outside of the city limits..... yeah, okay crazy...

I think Jimbo is on the purple drank.

That would take another 30 years, 15 for a design study, and 15 years to rework it. By then the info would be out of date.

This made me laugh...I remember watching that show.

Yep, the roads weren't clear by any means where I was driving. I drove my 34 miles to work up 360 to 121, in 4wd the whole way, from 6:20-7:20 AM. Saw probably a dozen wrecked vehicles and several more in the ditches. Most of the way I went 30-45 mph and stayed waaaaayyy back of any cars. Other people were passing me like crazy. The overpasses were all icy.

Prayers for all of the families involved.
'I did notice that all of the casualties were over 40 minus one, she was 35.

Just a weird fact.

Not to take away from anything..again prayers.

Well said sir

Exactly not cost effective. Box trucks drive worse on ice than big rigs, although they would not cause same amount of damage. Always see lots of Fed Ex trucks in accidents... 1 and 2 day mail/ doubles. Pretty much force their drivers out in bad road conditions

Absolutely false. I drove from WS to Arlington. Not one bit of ice and traffic was moving with ease until I got off way Bowen rd.

I work about 7 miles from there at 35/20. Have had my CDL for almost 23 years, luckily w/ no accidents. Whether you were on the toll road or two lane interstate next to it, an accident would have bottle necked no matter what. If you were running 25mph w/ only 25,000 lbs loaded and crested that hill unseen you would have plowed into someone.

The struggle is real

I just saw on the news that the guy in the FJ cruiser that got destroyed by the semi lived. Not only did he live but he was a paramedic on his way to work and he got out and started helping people. Amazing.

If true that has to be a miracle.

Here is a link to the story.



https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/r...i-35w-crash-helps-other-victims/2551090/

Yep. Great idea, you don't know anything about incident. No idea how fast they were going, but you watched/ feelings were hurt . I'll bet truck driver wasn't even wearing a mask

Thanks for posting. Awesome story.

Your an idiot, those trucks were going 70 plus when they rammed those cars. Your probably wearing a mask right now.

Says the guy w/ radar gun at scene... Some of you keyboard tough guys blow my mind

Yes thanks for the link.. Great guy doing his best to help others in need. I am sure we will hear more story's like his with time.

Prayer and speedy recovery for all affected in this horrible incident. Be safe out there.

Wow! I truly thought that’s one of the vehicles that crushed the driver. Wow

Keep in mind, the trucks weren’t the only ones going above 70. All involved were moving at pretty good speeds.

I don’t believe everything I see on the news..... I saw this also

I’m not sure if it was him or not but when the semi hit it their was what appears to be a guy standing up on the opposite side of the barrier, all the carnage went right over his head and he stood up immediately after the impact. My guess is he had got out of the vehicle and hopped the barrier, I watched it several times and it’s hard to see where he came from. He had either jumped out or fell out when he was hit. This is a pic of the guy I saw.

Right. There are too many NB cars to see where he came from. I think he was already on that side and ducked when FedEx came in, and all the carnage went right over them. That person is still one lucky sob

His story is online. He was trying to help a trapped lady when he saw the big rig coming at them. He jumped away as the truck crushed the lady to death. H then went to help others.

How horrific.....

Yep, even worse is just listening to crash after crash after crash.... terrible terrible situation.

Horrible situation. Wish folks weren't so quick to judge others. Everything is too emotionally driven these days. Folks blaming the truck drivers right off the bat and demanding that they be put away for life.

I guarantee you that none of those truck drivers wanted that to happen. I travel a lot (normally) and it's the every day drivers on their [censored] phones not paying attention that cause almost all wrecks today. Even drunk drivers are better than that.

Black ice is some scary [censored]. You think you are in control, until you aren't. All of that mental preparedness means nothing when your steering wheel and brakes don't do what you tell them to.

Stop blaming the truck drivers. Some of them may be contemplating suicide right now.



Pray for them all.

Amen brother.