If it really came down to it?

I've started to ask myself some tough questions the last few days.

I am not one to overreact or believe in conspiracy theories. I typically have a very good outlook on life, glass half full kind of attitude.

I used to believe that the left, while misguided, still believed in a free America and wanted what's best for ALL its citizens.

I am really beginning to question that.

If it really came down to it what would you do, what would you sacrifice for freedom and to fight against a corrupt government?

Some gave all for freedom...I will too.

I went overseas to do a job I guess I can do the same here.

I took an oath to defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic.

That meant I was willing to die for that choice, and that also meant I was willing to die for the right for someone else to exercise those same rights I swore to defend.

There is a line drawn, where some people feel they are correct to stand on one side of, be it gun rights, speech, religion, etc. I have seen many times good conservative vets think their side is the correct one, when in fact they were easily wrong and when pointed out they were wrong they realized quickly they were wrong. Many times simple communication was all it took to make them realize how wrong they were and how easily thier thinking could be twisted back on conservative values.

My oath defends the ability for democrats to protest, speak out against, and march against our government. It is in fact their government too. Until I see strong evidence to subvert the constitution, the democrats have as much right to protest against our government as republicans have when the tables are reversed, and they will be.

So I ask, are you willing to die for someone that you vehemently disagree with, or are you willing to die only in an echo chamber?

I'm not talking about protests. I'm talking about the bribery of the electoral college, mass voter fraud, corrupt government officials, defunding of law enforcement, taking away our right to defend ourselves and families, groups of people taking over and destroying privately owned businesses and property, groups of people taking over entire sections of a city, amongst other injustices.

We have police officers being charged and found guilty of crimes they did not commit based solely on the color of their skin.

I'm not talking about political ideas. I'm talking about if the left wing politicians are truly trying to Im essence take over our government and take away our freedoms.

Yes.

Make no mistake - this is the most important election in our nation's history thus far.

The far left will try their hardest to steal this election. If that happens you know what comes next. Coming for our firearms and then a big dose of socialism - pretty much the end of America as we know it. That's not a conspiracy theory - that's straight from their own mouths - they aren't even trying to hide it; it is their plan and has always been their plan to create some sort of "utopia" not far off from 1984.

I may be dramatically negative about stuff on this forum, but I am by no means that way in real life. I'm a laid back, positive, live and let live kind of person - definitely beyond blessed.

Lots of tough decisions if it indeed comes to that - risk not only your own life, but those of your family trying to defend the principles this country was founded upon - or pack up and move - but to where?

Do you have solid proof of those things happening (voter fraud on a wide scale manner, bribery of electoral college, taking away our right to defend ourselves, etc?)

Yes I left some of those things you mentioned out because they are obvious, but injustices go both ways. For every corrupt dem there is an equal corrupt repub.
No one is taking over entire sections of towns, that is one section of a very liberal and progressive city, and it is being allowed to happen by the city itself. The same movement was proposed in nashville and the city of nashville said "not here" and it just never happened. So lets try not to make the CHOP seem like this is common place happening around the country, it is a staged publicity stunt for the city hoping to have a "gotchya moment" for some die hard repubs coming in guns blazing.
For every building destroyed the same argument could be made, it was allowed by the cities and states that happened in. Take a city like Fort Worth that is largely red, and a city like dallas which is largely blue, and see the difference. Fort Worth said not gonna happen, and it didn't. Cities where it was allowed had damage and destruction. And all for pent up rage and frustration about injustices that have been ongoing for decades. To say there havent been injustices ongoing for decades is to ignore, to allow destruction is ridiculous, but it was allowed by the cities. The nice part of the US is we are allowed to move and can go somewhere else if our current community isn't to our liking. So if you find yourself in a blue area surrounded by people of unlike mind, feel free to move. Just because we have different opinions on how best to resolve or even get attention to a situation does not mean the whole country is falling apart.

I suggest you take a step back and look at the bigger picture. What would a violent uprising look like. Who would be seen as the bad guys? What would the end look like that would be so different from where we are now? What is the end game? If those answers are not clear as mud in your head, then you need to keep asking them until they are. it seems there are a lot of people that are looking for control in an uncontrollable situation, and getting violent is no way to gain control.

I too would say as Cochise stated, that I am a very laid back, live and let live person, who tries to be extremely positive, and I do try to be a good Christian. ( I fail often ) I do enjoy poking the bears on here some, but it’s in jest and having fun. I do believe in the live and let live. That is until it tries to change this amazingly great nation we have. America is one of a kind. It will never exist again. Now that being said, I was born free and I will die free, no matter the cost.

I agree with you in a lot of ways. I too agree this election is critical, but I felt the same last election. I will probably feel that way for each successive election. I don't feel we are far away from a dem supermajority. and when that happens we all better be on guard.

I will say, the US is still the best place to live in the world. And even as the dems try to change it to fit their mold, we still have the best system in place. As long as that system is in place we are good, and the pendulum will swing back, as it always has. But if there are fundamental changes to the system, that's when action needs to happen. Those aware will know when it is time.

What's crazy is if you try to share that video on Facebook it gets flagged as "false information" - uh....the words came right out of Joe Biden's own mouth????? Came straight out of Beto O'dork's mouth also! Left trying to cover up their own truths.

Again - most important election in our history.

I agree completely. It is sad that today we believe if the other side wins it may lead to the end of our country as we know it. There was a time most people believed that both sides wanted what was best for America.

I think you are missing what I am saying. I am talking about a hypothetical situation. I am not calling on people to start an uprising.

I am asking the same question you just did. What is the big picture? What would a violent uprising look like? Is it worth it?

What would it take? Is it worth leaving your family and possibly not returning?

I am asking "IF" it came to it.

And again, not talking about political opinions here or red vs blue. I'm talking about something bigger that I'm seeing more and more evidence of.

I am, and everyone in my small group of friends are locked and loaded.
Need I say more?

IMO there won't be a race war or a violent uprising. The Dems have played the long game and the only way to stop them is with a Republican president. If we can't keep stemming the tide with that then secession will follow as we'll be done with their gender-bending, gun-grabbing, and all their other bullchit. I guess at that point you'll get the 'violent uprising' but it won't be like people currently think. The country as we know it will split. The lib freaks can go live in their Utopias on the E-W coast and we'll take the south and the heartland.

When was the last presidential election that someone, at the time, did not say it's the most important one?

God, family, country...in that order.

There is a lot packed in there. Is there evidence of the things you say you see evidence of, or just supposition and innuendo? I would argue there is an effort to divide us, and that has gone along really well these last couple 10 years or so. It isn't a division that is new to human history, but it is a concerted effort to divide and make us covet, despise, hate, all in an effort to take our eyes off the One who is worthy of our attention, It has worked well.

What would it take to have an uprising? Subversion of the constitution to the point the system would be unfixable. This could include things like allowing illegals to vote in our elections by law, removing portions of the BoR, uncontrolled inflation and monetary devaluation, these kinds of things are policy issues that can't be fixable, and would require the citizens to step up and effect change.

What would that look like? Most likely similar situation to what we see with BLM and the protests and riots going on these days. I don't see any specific organized move on a city per se, it will be small uprisings all over that will grab attention, make headlines, and effect change. See how it has. Could it involve taking down some buildings, possible. Could it involve occupying some areas, possibly. What I am trying to get at is any action would probably be very similar from a dem viewpoint to what things look like from a white persons view point right now. The best way to effect change with least amount of life loss is mass protesting and small rioting. It grabs attention quickly and if the cause is worthy, effect change quickly. If it doesn't effect change quickly, then it escalates. Looking back at history, neither the revolutionary nor civil wars were started with massive armies marching on the capitals...they were small skirmishes that escalated to more skirmishes that started a war. Make no mistake, people will die, and if the cause is worthy, people will be willing to die for it. That's when you know it is time.

If not enough people are willing to lay down their life for the cause, then you have no movement, and it fades quickly. That is honestly the most likely scenario in the future. Our country has slowly been drifting from its founding principles for a long time, and slowly the drift becomes unnoticeable. Before you know it, the ship is sailing back to port where the dictator lives, and we all think we are in the promised land. Nobody wants a dictator, but since everyone was on the ship for so long and didn't notice the drift, no one is willing to get back on the ship and try again.
That is what we need to fight, and that is through education, not fighting.

I never thought I would live to see this becoming reality but I believe we are on the precipice of a civil war if these socialists find a way to take the majority in congress and the president because as has been mentioned in this thread this agenda is a mob mentality and if you are not part of it they are gonna sh!t on your liberty and rights.....this could create a organized resistance that would be like waking a sleeping giant IMO......

I took an oath when I joined the Air Force. I stand by that oath.

The reason this election is so important comes down to one thing. Ruth Bader Ginsburg has been dead for several months and will need to be replaced. That and Justice Thomas will likely retire. We still do not have a solid conservative majority on the court. Appoint Ted Cruz and another conservative and lock it down for a while.

I too have taken an oath to protect and defend the constitution....twice! It stands!

I must have missed that she died.

Think ‘Weekend at Bernie’s’

All joking and messing around aside, you are spot on here. Many miss this fact you are pointing out. This is of vital importance too. Very good job of pointing that out. This election is critical!

She hasn’t actually passed. She is holding on hoping a D will win the election and will immediately retire if Biden wins.

Yes Sir I did as well.

Make no mistake about it...…………………
In 1970, the oath I took, and the check, I wrote...………….
Are both, still good...………………...

That's very ambiguous. Depends on what the definition of "it" is.

I do think that dismantling/nullifying the Constitution is the end-goal. I'm not a conspiracy theorist by a long shot, but it's becoming obvious with all the satellite things happening right now. And, ya know, those protests against the Vietnam "Police Action" that some of us lived through, weren't exactly "spontaneous" either.



Don't come up my drive unannounced. It's the one with the flagpole with the American and Texas flag on it.

Trust me there is a very large, very mad, very powerful, but very silent majority out there right now that hasn't been triggered...….YET. Everyone has lines drawn and those lines vary from person to person. Majority of those lines haven't been crossed...…. YET that's why you haven't seen a major push back......YET. They are waging a war against the majority that they can not win no matter how many little victories they claim along the way. Once they cross the right lines the push back they get will make "Shock And Awe" look like a game of patty cake. I honestly hope they never cross those lines because once they do I fear there will be no turning back. Once that much bottled up anger is out of the bottle you cant put it back in.

They are playing a very dangerous game!! Interesting times for sure!

The great awakening. You have missed the rights involvement in this as well. No difference in a bush , obama , or clintons. Conspiracy theories is what you get from your media to keep you asleep. The term conspiracy theory was coined by the cia and their apparatus called the media. It was coined to stifle any question as to who was behind the JFK assassination.

Would if I could, but not sure how much help I could be..

Foreign or domestic.

If it came down as per the last line of the OP, you'd better get with it. Many of the posts here would be reviewed and provide ample "evidence" to put people away.

I see an economic collapse or something similar to what caused the breakup of the former Soviet Union as being far more likely than any type of domestic shooting war. My only hope is that we have leaders in Austin who have the know how to keep the state financially and economically afloat should it happen.

Served once and I'll do it again

The left would love for this cold civil war to go hot, anyone who don't believe it only needs to look at the last 3.5 years.

The democrats are still doing what they have done for 100+ years, destroying black neighborhoods/businesses/families/culture. They send their militia's in to burn, loot and destroy in the hopes of stealing power back.

It's not working this time, too many are awake and finally figuring out that all those "conspiracy theories" about just how evil and lawless the left is, are true. There are still plenty of supposed right wingers to say "blah I don't see this blah" . At this point, if you don't see what is happening you have your covid mask over your eyes.

Would if I could but I'm not sure if a few truck drivers and retired drug salesmen would be more help than harm.

I took the same oath of office, “to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic” and I continue to honor it. We may not agree with them on a lot of things, but the Democrats are not “the enemy.” The enemy is Russia, who is working hard to divide us through phony websites and social media, and they are winning. We can’t let that happen.

The Russian's fed the democrats to start the whole RussiaRussiaRussia and they willingly took it and tried to overthrow a duly elected president. Let's make sure everyone understands who the dems are and who they work with. So would colluding with the Russians against a sitting president qualify as helping an enemy?

There’s not just one enemy. The Democrats are most certainly one of them.

When I was growing up until the late 90s I would agree with your opinion. Not anymore, they are a domestic enemy IMO. Russia is not in charge of this organized chaos, it’s the socialist party that calls itself Democrat IMO.

Thank you Hook.

Thanks for posting hook.
If any one can watch that without crying then I wont say theres something wrong with you but I will say that you and I are very different.

Bingo.

Molon Labe.