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So will the natives eventually break loose?

Posted By: Texas Dan

So will the natives eventually break loose? - 04/06/20 05:53 PM

So will all this end in a controlled manner or will people begin to break ranks and say the hell with it, we're going back to work?
Posted By: TX_LT230FH

Re: So when will the natives break loose? - 04/06/20 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by Texas Dan
So will all this end in a controlled manner or will people begin to break ranks and say the hell with it, we're going back to work?


It's not that simple. People may be ready to go back to work and take their chances but any legitimate business owner would not chance going against a directive to be shuttered. That would open them up to incredible liability.
Posted By: Texas Dan

Re: So when will the natives break loose? - 04/06/20 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by TX_LT230FH
Originally Posted by Texas Dan
So will all this end in a controlled manner or will people begin to break ranks and say the hell with it, we're going back to work?


It's not that simple. People may be ready to go back to work and take their chances but any legitimate business owner would not chance going against a directive to be shuttered. That would open them up to incredible liability.


Some type of legislation to protect businesses from residual impacts would not seem out of the question. If so, it may likely end just as it started, with individual state governments taking their own action. However, this time it will be to help people get back to work. I don't believe there's any question the current administration would be far more likely to allow them that freedom.

There's little doubt the next big debate will be is it time to let people return to work.
Posted By: bigjoe8565

Re: So when will the natives break loose? - 04/06/20 06:09 PM

We need to open back up for business and let people make their own decisions about social distancing. Economy can’t take much more of this.
Posted By: Texas Dan

Re: So when will the natives break loose? - 04/06/20 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by bigjoe8565
We need to open back up for business and let people make their own decisions about social distancing. Economy can’t take much more of this.


Makes you wonder if some companies might push for a longer time out period just to drive competitors out of business.
Posted By: Nathan at Fork

Re: So when will the natives break loose? - 04/06/20 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by bigjoe8565
We need to open back up for business and let people make their own decisions about social distancing. Economy can’t take much more of this.



Only if I am legally allowed to make my own decision about punching someone in the face if they get too close to me.
Posted By: reeltexan

Re: So when will the natives break loose? - 04/06/20 06:41 PM


Soon.
I was out yesterday and the streets looked like any other Sunday afternoon. I checked car after pickup truck and saw nary one single face mask.

Americans have about had enough already.
The bug is real, it's deadly. I'll take their word for that, but if people don't see the connection they won't stay put much longer.
Posted By: Duck_Hunter

Re: So when will the natives break loose? - 04/06/20 06:48 PM

Yes, people will start to break protocol and even try to open their business back up. I think by the end of April we will see that.

It will be bad for many reasons, mostly because I think it will result in stricter (draconian) restrictions for all.
Posted By: titan2232

Re: So when will the natives break loose? - 04/06/20 06:52 PM

Traffic was heavy as usual this morning at 5:00 am heading into work. Plenty of people still working
Posted By: Sniper.270

Re: So when will the natives break loose? - 04/06/20 06:55 PM

It’s all coming together, and it’s biblical. Still believing that.
The big picture!
Posted By: JCB

Re: So when will the natives break loose? - 04/06/20 06:56 PM

I think Hobby Lobby already tried and failed. Not only were they shut back down, they didn't get the community support for their efforts either.
Posted By: dogcatcher

Re: So when will the natives break loose? - 04/06/20 07:08 PM

It depends on where you are located. Some places have literally closed down, other have but not as much. Find some of the live cams, you will see almpost no traffic on some places. others look abandoned.

The casinos in Ruidoso are closed, most of the downtown area is also shut down. Traffic looks like it people either going to are coming back from the Walmart/ Received a letter today from the village of Ruidoso, out of town visitors must self quarantine for 2 weeks.
Posted By: BOBO the Clown

Re: So when will the natives break loose? - 04/06/20 07:15 PM

It’s going to be a long time before I go back out to eat...
Posted By: Mike W

Re: So when will the natives break loose? - 04/06/20 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by JCB
I think Hobby Lobby already tried and failed. Not only were they shut back down, they didn't get the community support for their efforts either.


Kind of funny considering the grocery stores, home depot, lowes, staples, costco and other box stores are open. I guess it depends on your market cap as to whether or not you are "essential".. that and the left has been trying to shut Hobby Lobby down for years, this just gave them the excuse.
Posted By: J.P. Greeson

Re: So when will the natives break loose? - 04/06/20 07:22 PM

I'm a little more concerned about the natives who run out of money and food.
Posted By: ducknbass

Re: So when will the natives break loose? - 04/06/20 07:27 PM

"my grandmother might die so you need to risk your career, house and Well being."


That idea is about to be challenged.
Posted By: DannyB

Re: So when will the natives break loose? - 04/06/20 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by J.P. Greeson
I'm a little more concerned about the natives who run out of money and food.


I agree. I would be curious to see some updated crime stats in the bigger cities. I bet there have been more robberies, break-ins, etc.

I saw a news clip about a week ago showing miles of cars in line for a food bank. I think it was in Ohio.

Here is San Antonio

https://www.expressnews.com/news/lo...eaway-draws-a-queue-of-cars-15178372.php
Posted By: DocHorton

Re: So when will the natives break loose? - 04/06/20 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by titan2232
Traffic was heavy as usual this morning at 5:00 am heading into work. Plenty of people still working


Strange. In DFW there's about 80% less traffic than typical. I get to work in about half the time it normally takes me.
Posted By: Texas buckeye

Re: So when will the natives break loose? - 04/06/20 08:00 PM

For sure, dfw is not normal as far as traffic, but groceries are still pretty busy. I went out today to get Dr. Pepper, someone might say that isn’t essential but my daughter will say it’s as essential as the saltines I got for my wife for chili tonight. Essential in a first world country takes a different meaning.

It’s times like this I feel happy I live in the burbs. Would not want to be downtown right now.

Not gonna take much more than a spark to get people to start stuff. What that spark will be....that’s the question.
Posted By: dogcatcher

Re: So when will the natives break loose? - 04/06/20 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by Texas buckeye
For sure, dfw is not normal as far as traffic, but groceries are still pretty busy. I went out today to get Dr. Pepper, someone might say that isn’t essential but my daughter will say it’s as essential as the saltines I got for my wife for chili tonight. Essential in a first world country takes a different meaning.

It’s times like this I feel happy I live in the burbs. Would not want to be downtown right now.

Not gonna take much more than a spark to get people to start stuff. What that spark will be....that’s the question.

Actually the downtown area have less activity than the residential area. Businesses, bars, eating joints downtown are all closed. Only the bank drive ins are open.
Posted By: Pigsicles

Re: So when will the natives break loose? - 04/06/20 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by J.P. Greeson
I'm a little more concerned about the natives who run out of money and food.


What happens when employees at grocery stores stop coming to work because others are infected?
I’m also expecting to start seeing folks withdrawing cash from banks like they did in 2008-09.
Posted By: Texas buckeye

Re: So when will the natives break loose? - 04/06/20 08:19 PM

Dog catcher, riots and stuff rarely if ever start in the burbs. I wouldn’t want to be stuck in a smallish apartment either...no thanks. I will take my yard and ability to move a little. Just stating my opinion
Posted By: deerfeeder

Re: So when will the natives break loose? - 04/06/20 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by DannyB
Originally Posted by J.P. Greeson
I'm a little more concerned about the natives who run out of money and food.


I agree. I would be curious to see some updated crime stats in the bigger cities. I bet there have been more robberies, break-ins, etc.

I saw a news clip about a week ago showing miles of cars in line for a food bank. I think it was in Ohio.

Here is San Antonio

https://www.expressnews.com/news/lo...eaway-draws-a-queue-of-cars-15178372.php


Looks like Presidio at the end/beginning of the month. A regular parking lot of folks having to wait there turn in line. Was tempted many times to take a picture of it. Now I wish I would have done it. Interesting times.
Posted By: swampthang

Re: So when will the natives break loose? - 04/06/20 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by Duck_Hunter


It will be bad for many reasons, mostly because I think it will result in stricter (draconian) restrictions for all.

I'm kinda predicting the opposite will happen. I think in may Trump will be practically ordering people to go back to work,to avoid even more damage to the economy. I just don't see the death toll statistics rising at a rate that would justify the actions you mentioned.
Posted By: jhunter77

Re: So when will the natives break loose? - 04/06/20 08:33 PM

I've never been one to hoard anything but other people are forcing me to feel like I'm hoarding now. I used to buy 12 rolls of toilet paper every 2 weeks and 3 rolls of paper towels but now I find myself buying toilet paper every time I can find some. I've always felt that there's no reason to hoard food and we would make a weekly trip to grocery store but heck that's changed now too. I feel like I have to buy things so IF we have to shelter in place or everything closes down for a limited time I make sure my family and neighbors will be able to make it through this with no concerns. I work for a water supply company, we're considered "essential" I have 2,443 customers that want to turn on their water faucets and fill their glasses. I have split my field operators and office ladies up we're working 2 and a half days a week and we have one guy on call in the evenings. Everyone is still getting their 40 hours of pay, but I have one employee that complained about this schedule. Due to him being bored at home. His wife is an er nurse and is on the front lines fighting this virus, so in my opinion he's has the greatest chance of contracting the illness. I think I did the right thing. Does anyone agree or disagree and why??
Posted By: Pitchfork Predator

Re: So when will the natives break loose? - 04/06/20 08:57 PM

Soon.....this is a very flawed plan from the get go......most Americans DO NOT grow their own food.....period.

Everybody is gonna get it until it goes away.......if it goes away......some are gonna die from it, and the rest of us will die from something else ....
Posted By: Duck_Hunter

Re: So when will the natives break loose? - 04/06/20 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by swampthang
Originally Posted by Duck_Hunter


It will be bad for many reasons, mostly because I think it will result in stricter (draconian) restrictions for all.

I'm kinda predicting the opposite will happen. I think in may Trump will be practically ordering people to go back to work,to avoid even more damage to the economy. I just don't see the death toll statistics rising at a rate that would justify the actions you mentioned.


You’ve already demonstrated you don’t know what death rate means.
Posted By: swampthang

Re: So when will the natives break loose? - 04/06/20 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by Duck_Hunter
Originally Posted by swampthang
Originally Posted by Duck_Hunter


It will be bad for many reasons, mostly because I think it will result in stricter (draconian) restrictions for all.

I'm kinda predicting the opposite will happen. I think in may Trump will be practically ordering people to go back to work,to avoid even more damage to the economy. I just don't see the death toll statistics rising at a rate that would justify the actions you mentioned.


You’ve already demonstrated you don’t know what death rate means.

I know what dead means,and only 140 Texans are dead from it,out of a population of almost 29 million.
Posted By: Jimbo1

Re: So when will the natives break loose? - 04/06/20 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by Mike W
Originally Posted by JCB
I think Hobby Lobby already tried and failed. Not only were they shut back down, they didn't get the community support for their efforts either.


Kind of funny considering the grocery stores, home depot, lowes, staples, costco and other box stores are open. I guess it depends on your market cap as to whether or not you are "essential".. that and the left has been trying to shut Hobby Lobby down for years, this just gave them the excuse.

I was thinking the same thing. To send the Sherriff's to close them down was telling.
Posted By: Marc K

Re: So when will the natives break loose? - 04/06/20 11:57 PM

Originally Posted by Pitchfork Predator
Soon.....this is a very flawed plan from the get go......most Americans DO NOT grow their own food.....period.

Everybody is gonna get it until it goes away.......if it goes away......some are gonna die from it, and the rest of us will die from something else ....


Right on the money. And the herd immunity will be brought up a notch in the process.
Posted By: bill oxner

Re: So when will the natives break loose? - 04/07/20 12:03 AM

Originally Posted by Marc K
Originally Posted by Pitchfork Predator
Soon.....this is a very flawed plan from the get go......most Americans DO NOT grow their own food.....period.

Everybody is gonna get it until it goes away.......if it goes away......some are gonna die from it, and the rest of us will die from something else ....


Right on the money. And the herd immunity will be brought up a notch in the process.



Well articulated.
Posted By: 68rustbucket

Re: So when will the natives break loose? - 04/07/20 12:16 AM

Originally Posted by Pigsicles
Originally Posted by J.P. Greeson
I'm a little more concerned about the natives who run out of money and food.


What happens when employees at grocery stores stop coming to work because others are infected?
I’m also expecting to start seeing folks withdrawing cash from banks like they did in 2008-09.


A couple weeks ago I was at the bank the last day the lobby would be open. A teller told me several people were coming in and withdrawing large amounts of cash. She said “where are they going to spend it?” A roll of TP has more buying power.
Posted By: Texas Dan

Re: So when will the natives break loose? - 04/07/20 02:18 AM

I'm also seeing signs that people are starting to rub each other the wrong way in public after being very considerate for the past week or two. Patience is starting to grow thin on all sides.
Posted By: Tin Head

Re: So when will the natives break loose? - 04/07/20 02:21 AM

Originally Posted by Texas Dan
I'm also seeing signs that people are starting to rub each other the wrong way in public after being very considerate for the past week or two. Patience is starting to grow thin on all sides.

thats daily in the city
Posted By: Texas Dan

Re: So when will the natives break loose? - 04/07/20 02:22 AM

Originally Posted by Tin Head
Originally Posted by Texas Dan
I'm also seeing signs that people are starting to rub each other the wrong way in public after being very considerate for the past week or two. Patience is starting to grow thin on all sides.

thats daily in the city


But even more so now with people taking their frustrations from being pent up at home on strangers in public. I can see the mask issue driving folks a little wacky as well.
Posted By: Duck_Hunter

Re: So when will the natives break loose? - 04/07/20 02:30 AM

Originally Posted by swampthang
Originally Posted by Duck_Hunter
Originally Posted by swampthang
Originally Posted by Duck_Hunter


It will be bad for many reasons, mostly because I think it will result in stricter (draconian) restrictions for all.

I'm kinda predicting the opposite will happen. I think in may Trump will be practically ordering people to go back to work,to avoid even more damage to the economy. I just don't see the death toll statistics rising at a rate that would justify the actions you mentioned.


You’ve already demonstrated you don’t know what death rate means.

I know what dead means,and only 140 Texans are dead from it,out of a population of almost 29 million.


Thats still not what death rate means. It’s already been explained to you twice. Just take the L.
Posted By: dogcatcher

Re: So when will the natives break loose? - 04/07/20 02:41 AM

News report said alcohol sales are up, so illegal drugs use will also be up. Should create some wacky drunk pot smokers... clap
Posted By: NORML as can be

Re: So when will the natives break loose? - 04/07/20 02:44 AM

Originally Posted by dogcatcher
News report said alcohol sales are up, so illegal drugs use will also be up. Should create some wacky drunk pot smokers... clap

I don't drink. cool2
Posted By: Txduckman

Re: So when will the natives break loose? - 04/07/20 05:31 AM

Originally Posted by DocHorton
Originally Posted by titan2232
Traffic was heavy as usual this morning at 5:00 am heading into work. Plenty of people still working


Strange. In DFW there's about 80% less traffic than typical. I get to work in about half the time it normally takes me.


What procedures are you doing? My dentist and kids are shut down until May except for emergencies. And ortho. Traffic is non-existent.

Rush hour on 635 last Friday at 5:30.

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Posted By: dogcatcher

Re: So when will the natives break loose? - 04/07/20 05:59 AM

I been checking the TXDOT cameras and traffic is way down.
Posted By: pegasaurus

Re: So when will the natives break loose? - 04/07/20 06:24 AM

Originally Posted by Pigsicles
Originally Posted by J.P. Greeson
I'm a little more concerned about the natives who run out of money and food.


What happens when employees at grocery stores stop coming to work because others are infected?
I’m also expecting to start seeing folks withdrawing cash from banks like they did in 2008-09.


Then the people that have already had it will take their place. Life will continue. Business will continue.
Posted By: Hudbone

Re: So when will the natives break loose? - 04/07/20 11:38 AM

Wait'll they start to realize this could all be just a "trial run".
Posted By: bill oxner

Re: So when will the natives break loose? - 04/07/20 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by dogcatcher
I been checking the TXDOT cameras and traffic is way down.



Good observation. When will the traffic deaths exceed the virus deaths? Heard yesterday that insurance companies are now giving refunds on auto insurance. cheers
Posted By: Tbar

Re: So when will the natives break loose? - 04/07/20 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by 68rustbucket
A couple weeks ago I was at the bank the last day the lobby would be open. A teller told me several people were coming in and withdrawing large amounts of cash. She said “where are they going to spend it?” A roll of TP has more buying power.


A friend of my wife's tried to take $200k out of a community bank. They were told they could only withdraw $20k per day at the end of the day if they had that much left over. That lite her up as they were very condescending about it. No, ok let us order it for you.....paraphrasing, the manager was like "don't you know the rules!" Yea don't need that attitude. They are moving their accounts. They have been there for years and the employees know them....geez.
Posted By: Pigsicles

Re: So when will the natives break loose? - 04/07/20 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by pegasaurus
Originally Posted by Pigsicles
Originally Posted by J.P. Greeson
I'm a little more concerned about the natives who run out of money and food.


What happens when employees at grocery stores stop coming to work because others are infected?
I’m also expecting to start seeing folks withdrawing cash from banks like they did in 2008-09.


Then the people that have already had it will take their place. Life will continue. Business will continue.


This sounds good on a forum post but the reality is there are skilled position in the food chain that require training. Every company has systems and procedures in place that requires a learning curve.

Retail department heads like butchers, produce mgrs front end mgrs etc are not a dime a doz out there as there was a shortage of skilled position in the labor pool before this virus hit. Same issues for grocery wholesalers, many skilled positions that are not easy to fill off the street that can be immediately effective in the work place.

Life will continue and business will continue but I suspect we will see some disruptions going forward.
It doesn’t take much to start a panic, as we have already seen.
Posted By: bill oxner

Re: So when will the natives break loose? - 04/07/20 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by bill oxner
Originally Posted by dogcatcher
I been checking the TXDOT cameras and traffic is way down.



Good observation. When will the traffic deaths exceed the virus deaths? Heard yesterday that insurance companies are now giving refunds on auto insurance. cheers



You can take it to the bank when I quote myself

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/com...r-BB12dUIE?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=ACERDHP15

"Allstate to return $600 million in auto premiums as pandemic cuts driving"
Posted By: dogcatcher

Re: So when will the natives break loose? - 04/07/20 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by bill oxner
Originally Posted by bill oxner
Originally Posted by dogcatcher
I been checking the TXDOT cameras and traffic is way down.



Good observation. When will the traffic deaths exceed the virus deaths? Heard yesterday that insurance companies are now giving refunds on auto insurance. cheers



You can take it to the bank when I quote myself

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/com...r-BB12dUIE?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=ACERDHP15

"Allstate to return $600 million in auto premiums as pandemic cuts driving"

Compared to the premiums they receive that is a slap in the face,
Posted By: pegasaurus

Re: So when will the natives break loose? - 04/07/20 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by Pigsicles
Originally Posted by pegasaurus
Originally Posted by Pigsicles
Originally Posted by J.P. Greeson
I'm a little more concerned about the natives who run out of money and food.


What happens when employees at grocery stores stop coming to work because others are infected?
I’m also expecting to start seeing folks withdrawing cash from banks like they did in 2008-09.


Then the people that have already had it will take their place. Life will continue. Business will continue.


This sounds good on a forum post but the reality is there are skilled position in the food chain that require training. Every company has systems and procedures in place that requires a learning curve.

Retail department heads like butchers, produce mgrs front end mgrs etc are not a dime a doz out there as there was a shortage of skilled position in the labor pool before this virus hit. Same issues for grocery wholesalers, many skilled positions that are not easy to fill off the street that can be immediately effective in the work place.

Life will continue and business will continue but I suspect we will see some disruptions going forward.
It doesn’t take much to start a panic, as we have already seen.


The food industry has the highest employment turnover rate. Why??? Because of the unskilled worker. These businesses know how to handle that.
People panic about food all the time. Just look at the milk and bread isles every time a snowflake is forecasted.
Food is not in short supply today. Why??? Because of the unskilled worker.

Stop the fear mongering and look at the reality. The grocery store businesses are booming. They are having no issue filling positions on the fly even in the midst of this pandemic.
Posted By: DocHorton

Re: So when will the natives break loose? - 04/07/20 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by Tbar
Originally Posted by 68rustbucket
A couple weeks ago I was at the bank the last day the lobby would be open. A teller told me several people were coming in and withdrawing large amounts of cash. She said “where are they going to spend it?” A roll of TP has more buying power.


A friend of my wife's tried to take $200k out of a community bank. They were told they could only withdraw $20k per day at the end of the day if they had that much left over. That lite her up as they were very condescending about it. No, ok let us order it for you.....paraphrasing, the manager was like "don't you know the rules!" Yea don't need that attitude. They are moving their accounts. They have been there for years and the employees know them....geez.


They do realize that banks don't keep everyone's deposits sitting in the safe, don't they? Community banks aren't going to keep $200k in cash, ever.
Posted By: Pigsicles

Re: So when will the natives break loose? - 04/07/20 03:41 PM


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The food industry has the highest employment turnover rate. Why??? Because of the unskilled worker. These businesses know how to handle that.
People panic about food all the time. Just look at the milk and bread isles every time a snowflake is forecasted.
Food is not in short supply today. Why??? Because of the unskilled worker.

Stop the fear mongering and look at the reality. The grocery store businesses are booming. They are having no issue filling positions on the fly even in the midst of this pandemic. [/quote]

Not fearmongering at all, just relaying information shared with me by senior management from a Retailer/Wholesaler I have dealt with for many years.
You got the business is booming part correct, but did you consider that the "just in time" replenishment system that has been in place now acts as a detriment to resupply?
Retail stores/wholesalers are trying to handle/resupply the 3-4 times initial sales panic and have done a great job at that. Its the next phase that may pose an issue as wholesale re-orders are getting factory order confirmations of 25-30% fill rates on avg.
Grocery is trying to handle the additional 38% of meals that restaurants took care of also. Trying to move institutional food supply to retail can be done but packaging/ sizes etc take some time to work through.
Lots of moving parts in the distribution system as I am sure you are aware of.
Oh, and bread and milk are DSD (direct store delivery), not part of a retailers own supply chain. Just an FYI.

On a positive note, you may have noticed that beer and wine at grocery stores has been in great supply. That's because those distributors quickly redirected the restaurants and bars route sales folks to help the grocery channel team.
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