LEO question

If you get pulled over to check if your essential, can you refuse to roll down your window? Not saying don't cooperate (i'll show all the required documents) just don't need to be put at risk for infection.

Great question. Baited breath.

Hmm, this morning I met a State Trooper on a FM road on my way to Sweetwater. I waved, he waved. I never even thought about being essential. I was on my way to buy cattle feed. My cattle think I'm essential.

I don't see how they can check this. Every county so far has said going to grocery store, etc.. is allowed

Stupid unless we are trying to hide from aliens. Driving in a car to go somewhere you need to go is harmless. If we didn't need to go there we would be at home.

Just had this conversation. Depending on the county order would they not be in violation if they were within 6’? I haven’t heard of any one pulled over for the sake of being checked if it is essential travel, yet. Seems to me the burden of proof would fall on the officer to prove where I was going was not essential, ie fishing, hunting, etc. Any of that could be deemed essential. Seems a lot of grey area out there.

and therein lies the problem.

I am driving to 7-11 which is deemed essential to get a Slurpee... Wild Cherry is finally working.

Haven’t heard of anyone being checked, but my employer gave me paperwork to carry in my work vehicle and personal vehicle.

Same here

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/p...287-78233242-56f0-4d70-8cd9-a734717b8a3a

Ditto

My bosses daughter got pulled over last night. Officer grilled her on her need to be out and about, then sent her on her way. I suspect teens, or more so groups of teens will get some scrutiny.

How many here (like me) have rural property, but live in the city? I have stayed home since this all broke out, but pretty soon I am going to need to make the drive to check on things. Not really worried about being pulled over in the rural counties where I will be driving (and don't believe any even really have restrictions), but even if they did, and I was stopped, meh...

Same here. They're just going to have to give me a ticket. My company is shutting down EOD today until at least April 6. I will be self isolating in the middle of Young County until then.

You would need to roll your window down to give the officer your dl and insurance. Always have them roll it all the way down for officer safety, but obviously officer discretion is used on that part. If they refuse then have them step outside the vehicle. Is not to be a d**k or on a power trip but if they go to grab something i want to be able to react. Also it would appear that the driver is attepting to hide something like alcohol on thier breath, list goes on. If you were that worried about getting it then you wouldnt be out in public. I used some form of hand sanitizer after every contact anyway.

Yes sir, that is Corona on my breath! Cough cough!

I can tell you right now there is way more traffic this week with the stay at home orders in place than there was all of last week. If they are going to pull people over you probably have a better chance of getting the Wu Flu than being the one that gets stopped. So far the only person I have seen stopped at all was a 15ish year old kid at the gas station. Not sure what he was doing but I over heard them grilling him about where he lived and why he wasn't at home.

One of my coworkers (young attractive nurse) got pulled over this morning in McLennan County, which is a hotspot, and questioned about why she was traveling. She had her hospital ID badge so there wasn't any problem, but she definitely got checked. We got our hospital issued "travel papers" today.

No one is going to pull you over just to see if you’re essential.

You may or may not get asked about it after getting pulled over for a traffic violation.

Laws vs Rules, there’s a difference. Look it up. Read your Bill Of Rights.

Add me too!

They ain’t pulling anyone over for essential...the way they’ve outlined essential is a joke at best. This shut down stuff is a political move at best...if it works they’ll claim how great they are and they stopped the spread...if it doesn’t work they are going to say how stupid we were for not following guidelines. All at the cost of the economy and a lot of good folks are going to lose everything.

They are actually encouraging folks to go eat take out at food places....come on, if you can’t see the joke in all this.....then I’m sorry.

We are closing on a refi next week and the title company just set us our “papers” to carry with us should we be stopped. I don’t see it happening, but I guess we will be prepared.

How dare I want to feed my family.

Well stated Judd!!

it's funny because if you read the few posts above yours you would see several people talking about getting pulled over and checked.

My combp license from TP&W is my travel authorization, I am going for food.

Hearsay

What about all the TFF'ers towing boats?

They are good to go get food,, so fishing and hunting is authorized travel.

Yep. Sounds about as effective as gun control but then again the liberals aren’t known for operating off anything more than feelings.

Exactly. Every time I pull someone over they thinks it’s for nothing.

I'd like to apologize to on the fly. I'm being too defensive. Please forgive and thank you for your service.

I start from the position that we (me and the police) are on the some side until they show me they aren't...I am not going to surrender my rights to them but I expect them to protect my rights and I have their back in doing so.....

Reasonable thinking.

The majority of this is addressed in the Bill of Rights, but I gather we don’t have much use for that sort of nonsense anymore.

If you refuse to roll down your window, they will open it for you. Fact.

I was told today, Prosper PD had road block checking to see where peeps were going. Desoto PD stopping peeps to ask where they were going.

Reading is hard

I would like to know if it was a department thing or over achieving officers. An over achiever can make a small town smell real bad real quick

I'm calling and that is a very rare thing for me. Not saying some idiot didn't tell you that, but that rather, that the incidents you descibed occurred.

At the company I work for (in Dallas county) just yesterday they had some outside contractors working to replace broken windows, which have been broken and boarded up since October's tornado. E-ssential work? Apparently so..........

Sitting here with a DPS officer, his answer to the question was “No”

Come to Abilene, some traffic has picked up and the city parks was business as usual. The park looked like a normal spring day.

Of course.

Same in Dallas even though they are supposed to be shutdown for the play equipment. I ain't going out there. When they get infected they might rethink their choices. Now there is a case in the county I hunt.

A whole case?!

The people do not realize that Covid 19 can permanently damage their lungs. For the rest of their life they will suffer from this.

Kind of like pneumonia? Fine. Let’s do it again.

It starts with one. Just confirmed tonight. In a town of 3,500 people. But apparantly the folks he was around are not taking it seriously and going out and about instead of quarenteening themselves. Town folks are not happy with the counties response from what I see. There is hardly medical care there. Have to go to Wichita Falls 50 miles away which is where he got it from initially.

From what I have heard, this crap damages the lungs, and you live with it for the rest of your life. Making you more likely to get pneumonia and other lung diseases. If bad enough you can kiss good bye any activity in high altitude areas.

Obviously, I was being smart about it, but pneumonia does similar. Is it worse than that? I had a decent case of pneumonia a few years back, and it has had a lasting effect, but I can still handle altitude just fine.

Different than pneumonia. I have had it almost 10 times and have no issue at altitude. Hiked at 10K last week no issue. This is different apparantly but no idea on long term issues for us young guys. Seems acute.

The way it was explained to me the damage is worse than pneumonia. But then, this is so new, it is still an unknown.

Well, it happened. Got pulled over this morning. The officer was not amused by my 3 lane move around a left lane regulator. She asked for license and insurance. came back a few minutes later and thanked me for my service and asked me to slow down and have a nice day. Very professional. We both went on our ways.

But she didn't pull over the left lane regulator for impeding the smooth flow of traffic....

I would burn through ticket books on that one offense.....yield the damn right of way....

Once we get a case all that will change....let the freak out begin

I am in transportation, I work in Addison (Dallas County) We are essential and move everything from food, food packaging, chemicals, hardware supplies, and the list goes on.

We havent had anyone come to our office and ask why people are here.

Between myself and my coworkers, we commute through 5 counties every day.

Dallas County
Tarrant County
Denton County
Collin County
Ellis County

No one has been stopped, no one has seen anything remotely looking like a roadblock or an abnormal amount of people being pulled over.

All of this is a bunch of rumors. Multiple PDs and Sheriff departments have released statements that they are not randomly pulling people over.

This is a bunch of panic artists that saw someone pulled over or got pulled over for a traffic infraction and were asked where they were coming from and where they were going.....like many police officers did before all of this started.

+1 here I drove though Desoto twice yesterday never seen anyone pulled over will go down there today also

We have 5 drivers on the road all over the metro mess no one has been pulled over

It will be a cold day in hell before they stop letting trucks run. I really think if things got really bad that police, fire, and EMS would stop responding before trucks stopped rolling. People need it too much and when tumultuous times come, freight costs go through the roof. There is too much money in it, someone will always drive a truck.

What kind of trucks do you run?

Stop making sense

but you will get pulled over for a triple lane pass.

Triple lane pass is a pro move...warning for sure.

I think she was impressed.

Odds of getting caught?

a bullet will catch it

it won't outrun the radio or the helicopter.

DFW airspace

Have you seen BIL or Big Pig shoot?

Only way I’d been in trouble is if I put a box of donuts on the back, but if I dropped a donut, then we could see class of titans in the Thunder doom, damn then I would have to stop and watch

The virus claims more victims.

I have heard that fear mongering is more damaging than facts.

This ^^^

I suspect people are getting pulled over for traffic violations, asked about their reason for being out during the contact, and that is turning into getting stopped to check essential/non essential status. I definitely ain't buying the road block (like nxtrapper, I'm not doubting the poster was told that).

It’s quickly becoming FaceBook urban legend.

Hehe - could it be that in the past they might have been pulled over because their car "matched a description", and now they are being asked if out on essential business? Either way, gives LEOs the opportunity to see if someone is up to no good.

There should have been road blocks at the beaches about 10 days ago, now those folks have all returned to their communities, some exposed, some who knows.....but hey, anything for a good time.

Lol ,,yuup.

Yep, because crime sleeps, people stop having heart attacks and needing immediate medical attention, and houses no longer catch on fire when things are really bad

The only thing I will be doing different while heading to leave tomorrow is going 100 in the Express lane. Though it is fun and cleans the engine out...

Someone posted on the neighborhood page that there were cops on every corner tonight. I did take out and saw zero and no one was even at the grocery stores.

Yep, some of these eyewitness accounts can be sketchy at best. If people want to see jack boot gestapo, that's exactly what they're going to see.

No one said that, the point is that if first responders stop responding (which has happened multiple times in this country in the last 30 years) society gets pretty crazy, if you stop delivering goods to grocery stores, society will collapse.

Sorry you misundertood. Trucks will be the last thing to stop moving in modern society in the US.-If we ever get that far.