Uh-oh...Art Briles again...

https://www.dallasnews.com/high-sch...ture-after-two-players-ruled-ineligible/

Just to let you know these kids have been ruled eligible twice by the district

So did they forget to cc ol Art in on those emails or is he smart enough not to have an "email account"?

Yep,,, The players, Brock and Cameron Nellor, were ruled to have moved into the district for athletic purposes.

Interesting coincidence. Early this morning my wife was telling me about all of the Baylor Alumni that started showing up in their Baylor jackets and colors to watch him coach the high school team, 15 minutes later we heard the bad news.

How does the sups rule twice that they where eligible and then suddenly change their mind. Welcome to BS politics of HS football.

Sad. Let the kids play

Who is the non-staff assistant coach?

I don't know how the state gets to decide if a player is justified in moving. Who cares if a student moves for sports reasons they move they move. That entire deal is assanine to me. That's coming from someone who can't stand briles

Yep. Allen HIgh School and Celina would always be suspended if this is the case.

One of his former Players probably

Be one thing if they hadn’t exonerated the kids twice already....

The wife has a conspiracy theory that there are certain people that are out to get Briles

I bet you are right.

I don’t think it is a former player I had heard rumors that it was the uncle of the two kids in question but I can’t verify that

No the entire rule that a kid cannot move for sports reasons is crazy. Big brother as it gets.

The whole issue I have with it is that the district knew the kids moved in from out of state before the season started , now whether it was for athletics only I don’t know and would think it would be hard to prove unless you can find a smoking gun like Briles emailing or texting the kids telling them to com there, but they still voted the kids eligible twice and now that they are in the middle of the season and mv appears to be a serious contender they have changed their minds and votes. If they thought something wasn’t right why didn’t they vote that way the first two times?

I don't like Briles one. dang. bit. either. Haven't cared for him since he was at Stephenville; they were in our district then and we had some epic Friday night battles. Evidently he was a tough individual to work with even back then according to my coaches that I have kept up with. Rumors of pushing the limits of ethical behavior was rampant with him before the turn of the century.

As for the boys, they are the ones that are being hurt most in this political power grab. If they were cleared to play the first time before the season started (even the second hearing the ruling was confirmed), then it should stand for the season.

Football is unique from most other sports given it's limited window to play. Golf, tennis, basketball, or even, to some extent, baseball; all of these could be considered 'lifetime' sports. For most players, the last game of football in high school will be the last time they play the sport. EVER. Sure some may go on to college and eek out a few more seasons (I got part of one more season before I finished wrecking my shoulders). Those other sports you can buy clubs, a racket, find a pickup game, or join an adult softball league with relative ease. Playing those sports is acceptable (and in some professions encouraged) well into adulthood; some careers benefit from being a good player on the tennis court or at the links. I wish I had exhibited more of an interest in golf especially.

Football simply does not offer that; when it is over, it is gone. Basically from 7th grade to senior year, a football player is looking at 60-ish games; hopefully a few more with playoffs, but that's about it. How dare those adults take away the boys' waning chances to play a sport with such a limited opportunity to play! That is the biggest tragedy of this story. Shame on the adults.

True, I haven't kept up with it but in the past Pilot Point was in the same boat.

Rumors are projection over success 99.9999% of the time. I played with a few of his former HS players and friends with several of his colleges players. I will take their word about him first hand, over HS parents competing in same district.

I agree with every thing else you said though.

My personal opinion is that Bryle's shouldn't be shaping the minds of any young men at the high school or college level. That being said, recruiting is rampant at the high school level in Texas. Any school that has a recent history of winning also has recruits moving into their school district under the promise of exposure to college scouts and higher likelihood of getting scholarships. Sounds like Art is under the magnifying glass here, and won't be given an inch the UIL doesn't have to give.

My son's team played in the state semi finals against Deion's team from Trinity Christian Cedar Springs. His team had players literally listing their home town on recruiting websites from out of state, yet the TAPPS organization did nothing for several years. They stacked the team and have won several championships in TAPPS. I am sure once his kids are done there he will move on. Just a shame that them cheating cost my sons team a championship, but its the way things go. They know it, and were fine with it. I still tell them they had a championship caliber team, just Deion and his recruits got in the way.

TAPPS and UIL are very different in this regard

My understanding on the Mount Vernon thing is an "establishment of permanent residency" issue. The parents are still residing in CO most of the time and not TX as would be expected or anticipated...

They were just cleared. No games will be forfeited.

Well there you go.

That’s TAPPS, it can be one of the most competitive leagues in the country . I watched Lynch send 9 players to D1 schools one year.

Yep.

The more I was around football and basketball and baseball and seeing kids that were being recruited, I came to realize there is very little skillset most D1 colleges look for other than physical size. Certainly the big name D1 schools can be picky with size and skill, but the bottom to mid-tier programs are looking for size first followed by potential. Of all the recruits and "starred" players I have seen over the years playing, I have been very unimpressed with their skill and talent, it is mostly just that are physically bigger than the rest. Kind of a funny revelation. There's a lot of really good players that don't ever get a look simply because of their size. But I understand why, you can't have a bunch of pee-wees going against the man-children week in and out.

Worse in college to pros. I’d had two buddies get pro try-outs and never they started in college, outside of special teams.

It is kind of funny and makes sense when you see some of the pros play

The previous decision has been reversed and the two players have been deemed ineligible
MV will not forfeit any games.

That decision is being appealed by mv to the uil won’t know anything for a couple days.

Interesting twists to this story. The two brothers in question are related to former Baylor player and Briles coached player, Lynx Hawthorne through marriage. Mount Vernon explicitly prohibits the movement of students to school districts for the purpose of family relations and especially when said family member is an athletic coach. In this case, Mr. Hawthorne was seen wearing Mount Vernon coaching attire earlier in preseason and non-district, however at the time it was contested that he was merely shooting a documentary and not actually coaching. Apparently, he was more recently seen in coaching attire and coaching box with headset on. Additionally, Mr. Hawthorne and said boys have listed a RV park as their residence. Upon further research, the address was actually confirmed to be the address of the RV park owner. This is information per WFAA investigative reporting group. The whole thing stinks to no end and as one may suspect, the two brothers are considered star players on the team...

If he isn’t on the pay roll it won’t/doesn’t matter. RV park address is the address of an RV park,

UIL will over turn.

What are you talking about, UIL is pretty stern when it comes to non-establishment of permanent family residency...That one has almost always led to ineligibility and in cases where kids participated in games, forfeitures, especially considering the facts around the address were not initially disclosed and supposedly distorted in the first place. If this is all true, I'd nearly bet you that these two kids will not play another game and also, the team is in real jeopardy of forfeiting several if not all games they were involved in. The residency thing is what led to Daxx Garman's ineligibility when he tried to transfer from OK to Southlake as their QB about 10 years ago. His parents still had permanent residency in OK and were leasing or renting in Southlake. Some incumbent kids and their parents are whom turned him over to UIL anonymously..

Gosh, I’m shocked there are shenanigans going on over there in MV. Shocked I say!!!

My first thought was, "you guys are spending way to much time and energy worrying about a high school game." Then I realized I read the whole thread.

$5 UIL rules them eligible. I’m embarrassed for the parents to be such cry babies

I am going to double down on my 'Art Briles is shady AF' sentiment. Perhaps this makes me a simpleton, but I have always believed where there's smoke, there's fire. Looks to me there's a pyrocumulus cloud over the MV field house this season and Smokey the Bear is getting on edge out there.

I do think the kids should still play; not saying they are completely innocent in the whole deal, but I am saying their ignorance of the rules is much more believable, thus their sins I can tolerable and are far easier to forgive than Uncle Art's...should that prove to be the case.

This was happening 30 years ago... Nothing new. I find no issue with it though if you move there. If you want to play, go where you can. We had ex-Cowboys moving out of our neighborhood back in the day since their kids were not going to get to play as the star players.

What schoo?

Not quite Bobo, both players ruled ineligible but more importantly the team will not have to forfeit any games due to the prior district ruling allowing eligibility. Additionally, Briles receiving a public reprimand for allowing a non-employee to coach. Probably a fair outcome all the way around...The players are ruled to have moved in for purely athletic purposes and the team does not get penalized since they had previously been ruled eligible and Briles gets his due with the non-coach...