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Cabin remodel question

Posted By: rob valle

Cabin remodel question - 12/04/18 09:55 PM

Once deer season is over, myself and a few buddies will be doing some much needed maintenance to our hunting cabin. It was built in 2006 and is very much like an outdoor shed. My uncle went cheap when it was built and the exterior walls are plywood. After three coats of paint and twelve years in the sun, the plywood walls are cracking and need to be replaced. The inside is unfinished with no interior walls or insulation. My plan is knock down all the walls and take it down to the bare studs. Once this is done, wrap the frame in Tyvek and use Smart Siding for the exterior walls. On the inside, I would like to use T13 insulation between the studs and then use either OSB or some other sheathing for the interior walls. I am not a construction guy by trade but was wondering if this was a sound plan? The cabin is 16x24 and is located in the Texas Hill Country. The floor is also plywood and I would like to use laminate flooring on top of it. Thanks!

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Posted By: Dalee7892

Re: Cabin remodel question - 12/04/18 10:55 PM

I think you have a good plan . The Smart siding with tyvek is good. The SOB interior gives many options for fasten items on. On the floor is the floor structure raised for air flow? Not sure on how the laminate will react to hot and cold weather, talk to flooring contractor on that. Carpet squares are simple plus gives a little insulting quality. You don't have to glue squares down just lay in place. Will move with building.
Posted By: PMK

Re: Cabin remodel question - 12/04/18 10:56 PM

sounds like a pretty solid plan to me ...

one one of our old leases, the LO allowed us to use an old frame house that was bare interior wall studs and no enclosed ceiling (open joists or rafters). One of the guys that hunted with us, had access to a large supply of cheap sheet rock, we put the fiberglass bats of insulation in the walls, then sheet rocked ... did the same with the ceiling, worked like a charm. I don't know what the price difference would be using sheet rock versus OSB though, the OSB would be more durable IMO.
Posted By: onlysmith&wesson

Re: Cabin remodel question - 12/05/18 11:58 AM

Any reason you can't leave existing exterior plywood and go over with smart siding? Wouldn't need the wrap and would save labor. Just remove trim, buy horizontal, 12" wide, as long on length as you can get and go. Trim your corners and windows.
Posted By: phathawg

Re: Cabin remodel question - 12/05/18 01:39 PM

I've been installing horizontal rough cut pine boards for interior siding. Easy to work with and looks great (rustic). Bought a couple of pallets of the boards from a local sawyer (M&G Sawmill in Huntsville). Reasonable prices and nice folks to deal with. You may find a sawmill closer to Austin or your lease. Just my $.02. I would wrap the Tyvek over the existing siding and add the new exterior siding. I guess I'm up to $.04 now. Good luck with the project!
Posted By: rob valle

Re: Cabin remodel question - 12/05/18 03:35 PM

I've thought about that but the exterior plywood is not in the best of shape. I'll try and load another picture, if it loads try to notice the cracks in the boards. Wouldn't it be like putting lipstick on a pig?
Posted By: rob valle

Re: Cabin remodel question - 12/05/18 03:38 PM

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Posted By: HWY72

Re: Cabin remodel question - 12/06/18 08:17 PM

The structure looks sound, so no need to remove the plywood. Looks like it's trimmed with 1x4, so find some 3/4" thick sheet foam insulation and leave the trim - cut insulation to fit between the trim boards and then apply the hardie planks over it. Then you''ll have a much better insulated place than you have now and can still add the interior insulation at a later time if you choose.

I'd also get a good sealing exterior door.

Make sure your foundation and support is solid - cement fiber siding is heavy.
Posted By: Nate C.

Re: Cabin remodel question - 12/08/18 08:44 PM

From the pics, I think you could go quite a few more years before doing anything.
Posted By: HLo

Re: Cabin remodel question - 12/19/18 09:38 PM

If the wood is not rotting on the exterior, you can just remove the trim boards, wrap it with tyvek or a true commercial waterproof coating is better, than just fasten your exterior veneer (Pre-finished metal paneling, LP Smart Panel. etc. Prefinished metal may cost more but you won't have to mess with painting and repainting for years.) On the inside what isn't that expensive and easy to work with is just some 1 x 4 or 1 x 6 pine boards ran horizontal on the studs. Can install Rigid or Bat insulation in the studs. Good luck.
Posted By: colt45-90

Re: Cabin remodel question - 12/21/18 01:51 AM

Originally Posted by rob valle
Once deer season is over, myself and a few buddies will be doing some much needed maintenance to our hunting cabin. It was built in 2006 and is very much like an outdoor shed. My uncle went cheap when it was built and the exterior walls are plywood. After three coats of paint and twelve years in the sun, the plywood walls are cracking and need to be replaced. The inside is unfinished with no interior walls or insulation. My plan is knock down all the walls and take it down to the bare studs. Once this is done, wrap the frame in Tyvek and use Smart Siding for the exterior walls. On the inside, I would like to use T13 insulation between the studs and then use either OSB or some other sheathing for the interior walls. I am not a construction guy by trade but was wondering if this was a sound plan? The cabin is 16x24 and is located in the Texas Hill Country. The floor is also plywood and I would like to use laminate flooring on top of it. Thanks!

good plan, for the OSB, I would use some kind of sealant (paint ect) the glue in the OSB might cause some allergy problems
Posted By: rob valle

Re: Cabin remodel question - 01/01/19 04:20 PM

Thanks for all the replies fellas! I am going up there tomorrow and will post new detailed pics for everyone to see.
Posted By: macec3(TX)

Re: Cabin remodel question - 01/25/19 02:19 AM

Since the interior is bare studs, don't remove all the exterior siding at once. That cabin may lean or fall down. You can nail some diagonal bracing to the studs on the inside. Then remove all the exterior. Just my thoughts.
Posted By: Erathkid

Re: Cabin remodel question - 01/29/19 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by HWY72
The structure looks sound, so no need to remove the plywood. Looks like it's trimmed with 1x4, so find some 3/4" thick sheet foam insulation and leave the trim - cut insulation to fit between the trim boards and then apply the hardie planks over it. Then you''ll have a much better insulated place than you have now and can still add the interior insulation at a later time if you choose.

I'd also get a good sealing exterior door.

Make sure your foundation and support is solid - cement fiber siding is heavy.

Great advice. Hardi is expensive and very heavy. I went with the 4'x8' exterior sheathing with embossed wood-grain on outside, OSB with polymer on the inside. $27 a sheet at LowesMuch easier to work with too. Hardi- board can split or crack very easily. Overall, looks like your place is sound. No way I'd remove the existing plywood. It will add a substrate to attach to as well as extra insulation. Not to mention being a pain in the keister to remove
Posted By: Dalroo

Re: Cabin remodel question - 01/29/19 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by HWY72
The structure looks sound, so no need to remove the plywood. Looks like it's trimmed with 1x4, so find some 3/4" thick sheet foam insulation and leave the trim - cut insulation to fit between the trim boards and then apply the hardie planks over it. Then you''ll have a much better insulated place than you have now and can still add the interior insulation at a later time if you choose.


^^^THIS^^^
Posted By: Papalote

Re: Cabin remodel question - 02/05/19 12:19 AM

Floor needs to be s m o o t h for laminate or vinyl planking. Is the flooring center match(interlocking) plywood? For mine I will likely use vinyl plank (snap together, interlocking). It's like rigid linoleum, durable. I put it in my home after Harvey flood. Water will damage wood based laminate.
Agree with leaving the outside sheets in place.

Papalote
Posted By: rob valle

Re: Cabin remodel question - 02/05/19 10:58 PM

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Here is another picture of the cabin. It looks like we will begin Phase 1 the first weekend in March. Phase 1 will include wrapping the cabin in Tyvek, adding LP Smart Siding over the existing plywood, adding trim boards, and finishing out the soffits. Phase 2 may occur the following weekend and will include adding snap together laminate flooring. Phase 3 will include insulating the inside walls and adding an additional electrical outlet. Finally Phase 4 will include the addition of interior walls.
Posted By: rob valle

Re: Cabin remodel question - 02/05/19 10:59 PM

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Here is a picture of the inside of the cabin.
Posted By: rob valle

Re: Cabin remodel question - 02/05/19 11:01 PM

Thank you guys for all the good advice, keep it coming! I will post more pics once we get started.
Posted By: txshntr

Re: Cabin remodel question - 02/05/19 11:25 PM

I agree with most of what has been posted above and sounds like you have a good plan. I will add that you will more than likely have issues with the laminate flooring. I would go with the vinyl plank flooring since it won't be conditioned space for much of the year and you don't have to worry about moisture if you have an issue down the road.

Also, remove the trim from the exterior and make sure that you flash around the windows and doors. When you add the second layer of sheathing, it will bring the sheathing out past the edges of the sills for the windows and doors. Creating a lip could allow for water to puddle and penetrate the building causing issues down the road.

Good luck!!
Posted By: Roll-Tide

Re: Cabin remodel question - 02/05/19 11:32 PM

Looks like a great camp.

Is that water tote attached to the inside???
Posted By: rob valle

Re: Cabin remodel question - 02/06/19 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by Roll-Tide
Looks like a great camp.

Is that water tote attached to the inside???




Not yet but maybe in the future. Right now I have an RV water filter attached to the hose end which we use for hosing out deer and washing pots and pans.
Posted By: RANGERRONG

Re: Cabin remodel question - 02/06/19 12:44 AM

nice hunting cabin
Posted By: Opening Day

Re: Cabin remodel question - 02/06/19 01:28 AM

I just did a 16x24 interior with osb. If you’ve never worked with osb, which I had not prior to this project, it’s not the easiest to deal with. It’s difficult to cut and not that easy to screw to the studs. I used deck screws and found that five would go in easily then the next three I fought like crazy. I would move the screw an inch and it would go in. I guess it’s due to all the glue? When all was said and done after paint it looked really good. Lowe’s sells a light weight sheet rock that may be easier. Just my two cents. Good luck and keep us posted.
Posted By: rob valle

Re: Cabin remodel question - 02/06/19 03:15 PM

It looks like we will be going with ship-lap for the walls. In order to save money, I think we will be using 1/4" plywood ripped into 8" boards and then painted a rustic color.
Posted By: Lotto

Re: Cabin remodel question - 03/15/19 03:26 AM

I put this on the INSIDE walls of my cabin and I think you would be very pleased........... Item # 15601 Model # 27905

Brown Engineered Panel Siding (Common: 0.375-in x 48-in x 96-in; Actual: 375-in x 48.563-in x 95.875-in) at Lowes
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Posted By: ccrock

Re: Cabin remodel question - 03/15/19 12:27 PM

Lotto
Did you insulate the walls before putting the siding on?
Did you have any waves or is the siding thick enough to not have that issue?

Chris
Posted By: Lotto

Re: Cabin remodel question - 03/15/19 03:48 PM

Yes insulation and no waving....This stuff is pretty heavy and really looks good........just trim it up...no painting...
Posted By: rob valle

Re: Cabin remodel question - 03/19/19 02:03 PM

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Ok here is what it looks like now! It took a few weekends, but we got the LP Smart Siding installed on the exterior and the trim boards in place. I'm glad I painted them before hand, it was easier that way.
Posted By: rob valle

Re: Cabin remodel question - 03/19/19 02:12 PM

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And here are some pics of the new interior. I fully understood what everyone said about using vinyl flooring, but in the end the cost was too much. To do the cabin in vinyl, it was close to a thousand bucks, I ended up paying 380.00 for the laminate. I left 1/2" to 3/4" all around to allow for expansion once things start heating up. This weekend, I hope to finish the electrical, paint the interior, and install a vent near the roof to allow the heat to escape. The ship lap on the interior was done with thin plywood which we ripped down to 8" boards and then air stapled in place to the studs. We insulated it with R13 prior to the ship lap going up.
Posted By: colt45-90

Re: Cabin remodel question - 03/19/19 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by PMK
sounds like a pretty solid plan to me ...

one one of our old leases, the LO allowed us to use an old frame house that was bare interior wall studs and no enclosed ceiling (open joists or rafters). One of the guys that hunted with us, had access to a large supply of cheap sheet rock, we put the fiberglass bats of insulation in the walls, then sheet rocked ... did the same with the ceiling, worked like a charm. I don't know what the price difference would be using sheet rock versus OSB though, the OSB would be more durable IMO.

most likely won't be an issue, OSB glue can be a problem for anyone that has allergies...
Posted By: BubRay

Re: Cabin remodel question - 03/20/19 12:23 PM

Looking good.
Posted By: Lotto

Re: Cabin remodel question - 03/31/19 02:41 AM

Looks really nice. Excellent work.
Posted By: Henly

Re: Cabin remodel question - 04/13/19 03:16 PM

Great so far! But by all means go ahead and insulate the ceiling and sheath it with whatever is handy. You are losing/absorbing five times the heat from your uninsulated roof that you were from your previously uninsulated walls.

I build my deer blinds with Smart Panel. It is great stuff and seems to last well, especially if you add a layer of paint to its primed surface.
Posted By: rob valle

Re: Cabin remodel question - 05/08/19 02:38 PM

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Posted By: rob valle

Re: Cabin remodel question - 05/08/19 02:43 PM

Took about 8 weekends to get it all done. The only thing left is to resize the bunk beds and add a lower kitchen cabinet with a countertop. At this point there is very little, if any ventilation. In the summer the temps in the cabin have got to be pushing 120 degrees at least. Does anyone think I should a whirlybird on top of the roof?
Posted By: rob valle

Re: Cabin remodel question - 05/08/19 02:48 PM

My wife said to mix the interior paint 50/50 with water in order to give the walls an older "weathered washed look."
Posted By: 68rustbucket

Re: Cabin remodel question - 05/08/19 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by rob valle
My wife said to mix the interior paint 50/50 with water in order to give the walls an older "weathered washed look."


More like a stain?
Posted By: ETexas Hunter

Re: Cabin remodel question - 05/08/19 05:50 PM

looks good
Posted By: unclebubba

Re: Cabin remodel question - 05/08/19 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by rob valle
Took about 8 weekends to get it all done. The only thing left is to resize the bunk beds and add a lower kitchen cabinet with a countertop. At this point there is very little, if any ventilation. In the summer the temps in the cabin have got to be pushing 120 degrees at least. Does anyone think I should a whirlybird on top of the roof?

Looks like you have electricity. Do you have an A/C? Are you just worried about the contents baking while you are gone or are you worried about you baking in the summer? If the latter, a whirly bird won't help.

In our cabin, we insulated the roof, and installed wood panels, then stuck a window unit in. Turn on the AC when we get there, and within an hour it is nice a cool in there. Our 5000 BTU AC runs on a 2000W generator.
Posted By: Herbie Hancock

Re: Cabin remodel question - 05/08/19 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by rob valle
My wife said to mix the interior paint 50/50 with water in order to give the walls an older "weathered washed look."


I did that with some flower boxes I made for my wife out of wood, I added a little water, asked her to look at a test piece, kept adding water until she found one she liked the best.
Posted By: rob valle

Re: Cabin remodel question - 05/08/19 07:32 PM

Yes I bought an 8000 btu AC window unit which will run on a Honda 2200i generator. I was thinking of a whirley bird so the place would not be so hot when we are not there. I am curious if the AC will cool the place as the roof is not insulated.
Posted By: tailchaser93

Re: Cabin remodel question - 05/08/19 11:10 PM

The place looks awesome but you might want to move that plastic cabinet away from the stove...it might melt when you start cooking.
Posted By: unclebubba

Re: Cabin remodel question - 05/09/19 03:13 AM

Originally Posted by rob valle
Yes I bought an 8000 btu AC window unit which will run on a Honda 2200i generator. I was thinking of a whirley bird so the place would not be so hot when we are not there. I am curious if the AC will cool the place as the roof is not insulated.

I would think the whirly bird will reduce cooling efficiency when you are there. If it were me, I would at minimum close in the rafters with plywood to create an air space. Preferably with some insulation. I really would not worry about the heat when you are not there.
Posted By: rob valle

Re: Cabin remodel question - 05/23/19 06:03 PM

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Added some cabinets last weekend. I think this will be all I can do for this year as it is getting pretty hot.
Posted By: Mr. T.

Re: Cabin remodel question - 05/24/19 12:08 PM

Very very nice.
Posted By: Lotto

Re: Cabin remodel question - 06/05/19 02:50 AM

Lookin good.
Posted By: Lotto

Re: Cabin remodel question - 06/20/19 02:16 AM

How do you get your tv reception ? Antenna etc ?
Posted By: redchevy

Re: Cabin remodel question - 06/20/19 08:33 PM

Looks like a great hunting cabin.

I would definitely insulate the roof if the a/c struggles at all to keep it cool.
Posted By: BubRay

Re: Cabin remodel question - 06/21/19 04:13 AM

Originally Posted by redchevy
Looks like a great hunting cabin.

I would definitely insulate the roof if the a/c struggles at all to keep it cool.
Posted By: colt45-90

Re: Cabin remodel question - 06/21/19 05:51 PM

that is down rite awesome, you might think about something around the bottom outside to keep critters from making it a home...
Posted By: colt45-90

Re: Cabin remodel question - 06/27/19 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by rob valle
Yes I bought an 8000 btu AC window unit which will run on a Honda 2200i generator. I was thinking of a whirley bird so the place would not be so hot when we are not there. I am curious if the AC will cool the place as the roof is not insulated.

on hot days july, august ect, the non insulated roof will have a drastic effect on your cooling, I would have went with a 12,000 btu, I insulated the garage walls then installed osb with the foil back one side, insulated the attic. never have to set the thermostat below 77 if I turn it on early in the mornings, its my man cave, reloading, leather crafting ect
Posted By: rob valle

Re: Cabin remodel question - 08/27/19 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by Lotto
How do you get your tv reception ? Antenna etc ?



I have tried a TV antennae with 120 mile range and still have not picked up any signals! As of now, it only plays DVD's.
Posted By: TXRobTRX

Re: Cabin remodel question - 09/16/19 01:21 AM

up VERY NICE!!
Posted By: B_Man

Re: Cabin remodel question - 09/18/19 08:59 PM

Rob and Others,
Our hunting lease is in a real remote location and we tried all kinds of things to get TV reception especially for the weekend hunts
and watching the football games around lunch time when we got back after the morning hunt. We contacted the following company:

Antennas Direct 636-779-8700 and talked with their technical staff.

Here is what we did together with their Technical group.

1. both got together on the phone and pulled up Google Earth.
2. located our hunting spot and with Google Earth in the corner you can see the elevation.
3. looking at the elevation and his database on TV stations at various cities we determined the antenna height, etc.
4, he recommended a higher range antenna and the height we needed plus he gave us the degrees from North to point the antenna.
5. I downloaded a compass app for my phone to make sure I pointed it at the correct angle from North to hit the best. closest TV station.
6. we were able to get about a dozen channels.

just some information to share with you and others that might be of some help.

thanks
Posted By: rob valle

Re: Cabin remodel question - 10/11/19 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by B_Man
Rob and Others,
Our hunting lease is in a real remote location and we tried all kinds of things to get TV reception especially for the weekend hunts
and watching the football games around lunch time when we got back after the morning hunt. We contacted the following company:

Antennas Direct 636-779-8700 and talked with their technical staff.

Here is what we did together with their Technical group.

1. both got together on the phone and pulled up Google Earth.
2. located our hunting spot and with Google Earth in the corner you can see the elevation.
3. looking at the elevation and his database on TV stations at various cities we determined the antenna height, etc.
4, he recommended a higher range antenna and the height we needed plus he gave us the degrees from North to point the antenna.
5. I downloaded a compass app for my phone to make sure I pointed it at the correct angle from North to hit the best. closest TV station.
6. we were able to get about a dozen channels.

just some information to share with you and others that might be of some help.

thanks




Thanks B_Man I will give them a try!
Posted By: rob valle

Re: Cabin remodel question - 10/11/19 02:17 PM

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Built a new outhouse for the cabin. No more freezing your butt off! We do not have running water, so it has a simple 5 gallon bucket under a toiler seat which is for #2's only. I have a container inside the outhouse which is full of sawdust. Once you are done, you simply add a layer of sawdust to cover everything in the bucket. The sawdust absorbs odor and moisture. Once it is time to go home, I empty the contents into an empty corn bag and either burn it or haul it home to be disposed of. I have a smaller bucket which fits inside the 5 gallon bucket in case any kids or women are there. They can sit down to #1 inside the smaller bucket and then pour it out in some bushes when they are done. If this wasn't done, the urine would cause the bucket to smell bad ( too much moisture). Anyhow, I also insulated the ceiling of the cabin with foil covered foam boards which I cut to fit between the rafters. I'll post pics of that when I go back up. Hopefully, Opening Weekend will be a little more comfortable this year!
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