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Problem ELDX 7mm08
Posted By: GLC
Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/03/18 07:34 PM
Next weird thing found. A couple of weeks ago I tried to workup a 7mmo8 load with 150 ELDX, could not find a good group. Went back to try 162 ELDX, could not get a good group also. Went broad spectrum with both 150 and 162 staying within .3 grains of powder 37 to 42. Had a few rounds left from last years workup so I shot off 5 rounds just for grins since I was already bummed out. Shot at a 3/4 inch barcode on a target so I wasn't necessarily holding the best I could possibly do. Shot real good with old loads so I went back home and loaded what I thought would be the exact replica of what I just shot. Same powder, same COAL to Ogive, same primer same gun, same everything only difference was 162 AMAX was last years load vs the new 162 ELDX. The only thing was last years workup the distance to Ogive was incorrect, old load was measuring at 80 thousands off off the rifling vs my regular 20 that I normally do. But since the old load shot so well I loaded the ELDX the same 80 thousands off to keep them the same. Groupings were all over the place again with best group at 1" or better. So my question is is there any difference between AMAX vs the ELDX at the same grain?
Pic is a 5 shot group at 100 yards, top hole is my 300 win mag.
Posted By: J.G.
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/03/18 08:20 PM
I assume you meant stepping in .3 gr increments?
What I would do:
Clean the barrel.
Make sure everything is tight.
Find the rifling, and set .005" off the lands.
Find the best powder charge.
Then test bullet jump in .005" increments.
I understand wanting to shortcut your way to a good load, but this rifle is telling you, you have to start over with the new bullet.
Posted By: GLC
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/03/18 09:52 PM
Sorry, yes in .3 grain intervals.
Was afraid of that.
talked a little to Chad about this a couple of weeks ago trying to brainstorm. Shot barrel from dirty to literally stripping all copper out. No change.
Found rifling previously and have checked multiple times to to see if I was just missing something, started at .020 but will back down to .005. At .020 pretty well all charges I tried sucked. Closest I got was about 1 MOA. This thing used to shoot 1 holers at 100 yards that is why this is so frustrating.
Everything tight, checked twice.
Changed scopes, both SWFA and they have no issue on my 300 win mag.
This is on a chassis so it is sound
Barrel only has about 600 rounds in it, I don't shoot hot loads, I keep it from 2500 to 2600 from what Lyman and powder sites tell me but don't have a chrono.
Guess I will just start over.
Posted By: J.G.
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/03/18 10:15 PM
What powder?
Posted By: RiverRider
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/03/18 10:48 PM
I had something like that once a few years ago, and it turned out I had pushed the shoulders back on my brass way too far. I never did figure out for sure why the adjustment of my sizing die got diddled the way it did, but I have a theory. No matter.
Have you looked at concentricity? Another idea, maybe you're brass needs to be annealed?
Posted By: GLC
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/03/18 10:52 PM
Posted By: GLC
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/03/18 10:59 PM
I use Lee dies, full size each firing, trim for length, de-burr, and load, fire three times then anneal.
Maybe I need to try another set of dies?
Posted By: RiverRider
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/03/18 11:05 PM
I don't see why they wouldn't work now if they were working before.
How are you weighing out your powder?
Posted By: GLC
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/03/18 11:10 PM
I don't see why they wouldn't work now if they were working before.
How are you weighing out your powder?
Electronic scale, GemPro 250, and then verifying it on the beam scale from time to time. It is spot on each time.
I even took a couple of rounds apart from last year that shot good and they weighed correctly as what I had marked them.
Posted By: GLC
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/03/18 11:45 PM
This is what it used to do.
This is what it is doing now
Posted By: J.G.
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/03/18 11:57 PM
39.0 to 41.0 of H-Varget, and .005" off was where I was going. I know it is temp stable, don't know about the other. And in this case, temp stable not worrying about over-pressure, but the opposite.
Posted By: Judd
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/04/18 01:15 AM
Easy fix for me...shoot the Amax and forget the Eldx.
Posted By: J.G.
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/04/18 01:46 AM
Easy fix for me...shoot the Amax and forget the Eldx.
162 A-Max is out of production. He's gotta convert at some point.
Posted By: GLC
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/04/18 02:06 AM
Yep, i dont have any more amax.
Posted By: Judd
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/04/18 08:17 AM
Easy fix for me...shoot the Amax and forget the Eldx.
162 A-Max is out of production. He's gotta convert at some point.
I knew they aren't making them but i bet you could find and buy enough to burn that barrel up. Too many guys think the eld is good and selling their amax.
Posted By: wp75169
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/04/18 12:28 PM
There’s a lot of Amax still out there.
Posted By: RiverRider
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/04/18 02:24 PM
I don't shoot either of those bullets, so I wouldn't know this...but could there be enough difference in the profiles that the ELD is being seated by meplat contact? I know they're plastic tips, but if that's happening then you might be getting enough inconsistency in seating depth to give you problems. I can't think of anything else being the possible cause except that you may well just have to wipe the slate clean and start all over to get the ELD to shoot.
I was thinking about laying in some 53-grain V-Max the other day. They seem to be unavailable, but Midway doesn't show them to be discontinued. I found plenty of them on Gunbroker and not unreasonably priced. I looked to see about the 162 A-Max, and it's a different story altogether. You MIGHT be able to find some, but I don't have any idea where.
Posted By: RiverRider
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/04/18 02:32 PM
I do have ONE more idea, but I dunno if you'd want to pursue it. If you have enough of the old A-Max loads left, you could disassemble five of them, then rebuild them from the beginning to see if they'll shoot the same. I have no idea what might turn up, but that way you would absolutely KNOW that your loading equipment and procedures don't have a bug of some kind. I think that would pretty much eliminate all the possibilities except for the fact that the ELD is a different bullet. I know that if one fellow makes the switch from A-Max to ELD-whatever and doesn't have to tune anything, he's going to be tempted to declare that you can just switch between those two bullets as a rule. It just may not be true in every rifle, and that is something that would be very hard to know.
Posted By: dee
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/04/18 03:14 PM
My batches of 162 Amax and 162 Eld-m are identical in measurements.
Posted By: J.G.
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/04/18 04:19 PM
Just measured.
162 gr A-Max
base to tip: 1.430"
base to ogive: 0.733"
162 gr ELD-X
base to tip: 1.471"
base to ogive: 0.821"
ELD-X is 0.041" longer over-all, 0.088" longer base to ogive.
Same caliber, same weight, significantly longer in all respects.
Gary, looks like a new bullet to me, and you're going to have to start over. From what I have seen, shooting both, they tend to do well on near the same charge of H-Varget.
Also, the tips won't melt like the AMAX.
Posted By: GLC
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/04/18 08:17 PM
Just measured.
162 gr A-Max
base to tip: 1.430"
base to ogive: 0.733"
162 gr ELD-X
base to tip: 1.471"
base to ogive: 0.821"
ELD-X is 0.041" longer over-all, 0.088" longer base to ogive.
Same caliber, same weight, significantly longer in all respects.
T
Gary, looks like a new bullet to me, and you're going to have to start over. From what I have seen, shooting both, they tend to do well on near the same charge of H-Varget.
Guessing since bullet is longer i will be going down in charge weight?
Posted By: J.G.
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/04/18 08:44 PM
Nah.
38.4 up to 41.0 gr. Find which one shoots well, and does not over-pressure.
This is where the Ladder Test is handy.
Posted By: wp75169
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/06/18 02:05 PM
Did you get this figured out? I can mail you 30-40 162 Amax if you want to try your old load to eliminate any other possible issues.
Posted By: GLC
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/06/18 04:49 PM
Not as of yet, may take you up on that. By any chance coming to the Hunters Challenge next month?
JG got me thinking when he measured the 162 Amax vs the Eldx and found they were different dimensions to the Ogive. I started measuring different bullets to see if any others that I had measured close to what the 162 Amax does. Found that the 150 Eldx is pretty well exact match to the Ogive as the 162 Amax. The 162 Amax is just overall longer past the Ogive. So, looking at what had been the most consistent charge with the 162 Amax that I had previously, and putting the jump at 40 thousands like the previous charge was and then looking at different load charts with 150 vs 162 weights, I came up with somewhat an educated guess where the powder may be at. I know a lot of guessing but we will see what happens.
Posted By: wp75169
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/06/18 06:54 PM
I was considering the Hunters Challenge but don’t have a rifle ready to go. Starting load development now on the 6.5x55.
I typed a bunch of stuff about the 150 Eldx vs the 162 Amax. Then realized I didn’t have a clue what I was talking about. Just guessing.
If you decide you want the 162 Amax let me know. They were used for initial load development and when I bought bulk it was a different lot # so these 30-40 are just hanging around for nothing.
Posted By: GLC
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/06/18 07:21 PM
Sent you a pm
Posted By: J.G.
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/06/18 07:38 PM
Gary,
You giving up on the 162 ELD-X?
Posted By: GLC
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/06/18 10:04 PM
No sir, at least not forever. Just to curb my curiosity for now, I am going to try the 150 Eldx first since the Ogive on the 162 Amax and the 150 Eldx are identical..
Posted By: J.G.
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/07/18 02:18 AM
You ever need to sell them, I'm a buyer.
I'm about to test the 150's in 7mm-08 A.I. fire forming, and on formed brass just because I want the knowledge.
Posted By: GLC
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/07/18 03:36 AM
I can bring them to you next month. If i can get the 150s to shoot i i may just stay with them.
Posted By: J.G.
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/07/18 03:37 AM
Be sure and let me know how many you have, so I'll have the right amount of cash to hand you.
Posted By: GLC
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/07/18 12:36 PM
Ok, no problem.
Can you also PM me the details on memberships?
Posted By: GLC
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/14/18 07:14 PM
WP75169 sent me some more 162 Amax's, going to verify that they work as well as my old loads/workups. If they do, all of my load info and tools are correct, but will have to do a totally different load workup for the ELDX since they are a different length.
Posted By: GLC
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/17/18 12:44 AM
Ok, so nothing wrong with my equipment or my load process. Loaded up 5 rounds of 162 Amax with old load parimeters and it shot like old times. One flyer #5 but 4 in the middle at 100 yards. Played with the 150 also today with similiar loads that should have worked but no joy. Is anyone shooting the 162 or 150 ELDX 7mm and getting groups between .25 and .5 MOA? What are your loads and jump numbers?
Posted By: Smokey Bear
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/17/18 01:39 AM
GLC, you need to start from scratch whenever you change bullets to find the combination your rifle likes. I can tell by your posts that you are fond of your A max load. It does not apply to the new bullet in your rifle.. Each rifle is a rule unto its self. If I were trying to get the new longer bullet shooting, I would cautiously work my charges up and watch till it either started shooting or I found the maximum charge. A little more velocity/faster spin may tighten up the longer bullet with more bearing surface. The bottom line is your best odds to find out what it likes, is a thorough load workup, rather than burn components on someone else's load. I have not had much luck dialing in a load any other way. Successful load development is the most rewarding part of handloading for me. Good luck working it out.
Posted By: Smokey Bear
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/17/18 01:52 AM
One other thought came to mind after I submitted my post. If you have not found the COAL to the lands with your new bullet, it would be worth doing. Bummer they DC'd your bullet. It sucks when that happens.
Posted By: cblackall
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/17/18 04:24 AM
Why not give the 162 ELD-M a try? I shoot them in my 7-08 with great results. Terminal performance should be the same as the AMAX. I killed five animals with mine last year. Two coyotes at 87 and 220 yds, cow elk at 300 yds, and two whitetail both around 60 yds. None took a single step. The profile is different from the ELD-X looking at the two bullets side by side, though I haven’t measured them against the AMAX.
Posted By: GLC
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/17/18 01:46 PM
Not worried about terminal performance on tbis one. This is all about accuracy for target punching. I am just wondering if any one has achieved the kind of accuracy/precision i am looking for with the eldx or the eldm.
Posted By: Sneaky
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/17/18 02:43 PM
I don’t understand what the issue is or what you’re trying to accomplish or what another bullet has to do with it. It’s a new bullet, work up a load for it. What am I missing?
Posted By: cblackall
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/17/18 03:07 PM
Not worried about terminal performance on tbis one. This is all about accuracy for target punching. I am just wondering if any one has achieved the kind of accuracy/precision i am looking for with the eldx or the eldm.
I was trying to get a photo to upload from my phone, but it’s not working anymore due to format. I’m getting roughly half MOA, 5 shot groups from mine. I’m loading to 2.860”, which is jumping around .075 thousandths in my rifle. The accuracy can be had, but like Sneaky said. There’s no guarantee when switching bullets, and working up a new load is still your best bet. The ELD-M will be the closest thing you’re going to find to the AMAX, unless you run across a stockpile.
Posted By: TackDriver
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/17/18 03:08 PM
ELD M and ELD X are accurate bullets for hunting and target. Best you do a load development to see what your rifle likes. Try different powders, change of primers, bullet seating depths, etc. Pet loads from others don't make your rifle accurate, you do especially if you using a new bullet, like Smokey says.
Posted By: GLC
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/17/18 04:08 PM
I don’t understand what the issue is or what you’re trying to accomplish or what another bullet has to do with it. It’s a new bullet, work up a load for it. What am I missing?
Exactly, what am I missing? I have tried multiple powder charges with multiple seating depts with little or no accuracy changes. For some reason I cannot get this ELDX bullet to fly constantly for precision. That is the issue. I have not had that problem in the past with the Amax in 7mm 162 in my 7mm08 or in my win mag. What I am trying to accomplish is to rule out as many variable as possible before I chuck this bullet. So you do have this bullet shooting .25 to .5 MOA consistently in 7mm? Please post pics.
Posted By: GLC
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/17/18 04:13 PM
ELD M and ELD X are accurate bullets for hunting and target. Best you do a load development to see what your rifle likes. Try different powders, change of primers, bullet seating depths, etc. Pet loads from others don't make your rifle accurate, you do especially if you using a new bullet, like Smokey says.
Yes I understand and have worked for about 5 months trying different load work ups. I have gone through about 400 rounds of 150 and 162 ELDX and a bunch of powder. I understand, what shoots in another rifle will not probably work in mine, I get it but who is getting consistent precision with this bullet in .25 to .50? Pics please.
Posted By: TackDriver
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/17/18 05:13 PM
ELD M and ELD X are accurate bullets for hunting and target. Best you do a load development to see what your rifle likes. Try different powders, change of primers, bullet seating depths, etc. Pet loads from others don't make your rifle accurate, you do especially if you using a new bullet, like Smokey says.
Yes I understand and have worked for about 5 months trying different load work ups. I have gone through about 400 rounds of 150 and 162 ELDX and a bunch of powder. I understand, what shoots in another rifle will not probably work in mine, I get it but who is getting consistent precision with this bullet in .25 to .50? Pics please.
The 178 grain ELD M and X shot very well in my .308, consistent .25 MOA at 300 yards or less with Varget. I have not tried the ELD in the 300 Win Mag since my 180 Accubonds shoots a tight load of half an inch at 300 yards with RL-22, so I won't waste time with an ELD for that rifle. I would try ELD soon in my 6.5 Creedmoor but using the 140 Berger which shoots awesome too. The top 3 pictures are 100 yard groups in the .308 with 178 ELD, the last picture is @ 300 yards with the 178 ELD-X and Varget. Two powders works very well with the ELD in the .308
Posted By: GLC
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/17/18 06:21 PM
Thank you for sharing your pics. Load looks great. I have been able to get a good load workup for my 300 win mag with the 178 ELDX just having a problem with either the 150 or 162 ELDX in the 7mm. I am also using IMR 4064. Maybe I am running just too slow for what they need. Guess I will try that next before i throw in the towel. Maybe they just need to be spun a lot faster compared to the Amax.
Posted By: Smokey Bear
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/17/18 07:24 PM
What powders have you tried with the 162 and did you start low and work up to max?
Posted By: GLC
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/17/18 08:08 PM
Varget and IMR 4064, these two have always been pretty good in the past. From the bottom to past the top, over pressure. From .010 off lands to .090 off lands.
Posted By: wp75169
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/17/18 08:23 PM
Has anyone else associated this with the 162s being on clearance? That’s not a good sign for this new bullet in general. I never saw Amax marked “clearance” until they were a history lesson.
In fact Amax last sold at MidwayUSA for $29.99. The Eldx are now at $19.63
Posted By: Smokey Bear
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/17/18 08:33 PM
Both are logical choices in 7-08. If you found something that showed promise experiment with primers. If not then eliminate those two. They are pretty close on the burn chart. There are atleast 20 powders that will work. Either IMR or H 4350 or IMR 8208 XBR are good powders in 7-08. If I was looking for match grade accuracy they are where I would look next.
Posted By: TackDriver
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/17/18 09:01 PM
Here is a QL of the 7-08 and 162 ELD-X, hope the selection of powders helps narrow your search.
Cartridge : 7 mm-08 Rem.
Bullet : .284, 162, Hornady ELD-X 2840 G7
Useable Case Capaci: 44.025 grain H2O = 2.858 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.800 inch = 71.12 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 60000 psi, or 413 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 112 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
2 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
ReloadSwiss RS 60 103.7 44.2 2.86 2783 100.0 60000 8560 1.177 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-26 112.0 48.9 3.17 2777 99.4 55891 9572 1.210 ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17 102.9 43.8 2.84 2765 100.0 60000 8515 1.183 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-17 102.9 43.8 2.84 2765 100.0 60000 8515 1.183 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ReloadSwiss RS 70 109.7 47.4 3.07 2759 98.2 60000 9200 1.181 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S365 110.7 44.7 2.90 2748 100.0 60000 8119 1.190 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-16 110.4 43.6 2.83 2747 100.0 60000 8406 1.192 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ReloadSwiss RS 62 106.9 45.5 2.95 2742 99.7 60000 8590 1.198 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 518 108.6 45.5 2.95 2727 98.6 60000 8707 1.193 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 511 104.3 45.1 2.92 2727 98.8 60000 8667 1.194 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma MRP 112.0 47.4 3.07 2726 97.2 55272 9375 1.223 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 107.7 45.2 2.93 2725 98.8 60000 8654 1.194 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester 760 101.7 43.7 2.83 2716 98.2 60000 8603 1.199 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H414 101.7 43.7 2.83 2716 98.2 60000 8603 1.199 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma URP 107.3 43.1 2.79 2712 99.7 60000 8344 1.201 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 107.3 43.1 2.79 2711 99.7 60000 8341 1.202 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N550 104.2 43.2 2.80 2711 99.7 60000 8456 1.207 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 4350 106.8 43.3 2.81 2711 99.7 60000 8322 1.215 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-19 112.0 45.5 2.95 2706 96.4 59710 8740 1.196 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2209 111.0 44.8 2.90 2697 96.2 60000 8638 1.191 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 7828 SSC 112.0 46.7 3.03 2685 93.7 57159 8961 1.211 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 106.1 44.5 2.88 2682 96.2 60000 8472 1.197 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Raufoss RA4 109.6 44.5 2.88 2682 96.2 60000 8472 1.197 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 109.6 44.5 2.88 2682 96.2 60000 8472 1.197 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 112.0 45.5 2.95 2680 96.1 58307 8619 1.209 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 112.0 43.5 2.82 2680 99.7 58697 8140 1.221 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 110.3 43.3 2.80 2679 100.0 60000 7665 1.200 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation 107.2 44.1 2.86 2670 97.8 60000 8261 1.209 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S385 112.0 45.9 2.98 2666 97.2 58566 8379 1.222 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old 99.3 40.7 2.64 2664 100.0 60000 7728 1.227 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP3 99.3 40.7 2.64 2664 100.0 60000 7728 1.227 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H380 98.5 40.8 2.65 2658 99.5 60000 7985 1.221 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Rottweil R903 101.6 40.8 2.64 2658 100.0 60000 7655 1.228 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N560 112.0 46.4 3.01 2656 92.5 52850 9138 1.252 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S070 106.2 42.6 2.76 2656 98.2 60000 8133 1.222 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester Supreme 780 110.0 47.1 3.05 2655 96.0 60000 8242 1.199 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2213 112.0 45.9 2.98 2651 93.2 55918 8801 1.225 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355 101.4 40.3 2.61 2650 100.0 60000 7661 1.225 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Rottweil R904 110.1 44.1 2.86 2645 94.9 60000 8170 1.205 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4831 SC 112.0 45.9 2.98 2643 93.4 58650 8374 1.209 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15 112.0 45.9 2.98 2640 94.9 51964 8931 1.263 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 112.0 45.9 2.98 2640 94.9 51964 8931 1.263 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22 112.0 45.9 2.98 2640 94.9 51964 8931 1.263 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S065 104.7 41.6 2.69 2635 99.0 60000 7862 1.225 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2520 92.0 39.4 2.55 2632 100.0 60000 7213 1.233 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex D073.6 94.1 39.4 2.55 2632 100.0 60000 7213 1.233 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 4064 99.1 39.4 2.55 2632 100.0 60000 7212 1.251 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SNPE Vectan SP 7 92.9 40.4 2.62 2629 99.4 60000 7678 1.227 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate MAGPRO 112.0 48.3 3.13 2626 90.0 51678 9041 1.268 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907 103.2 41.1 2.66 2624 97.5 60000 7913 1.223 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP7 103.2 41.1 2.66 2624 97.5 60000 7913 1.223 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4007 SSC 99.9 41.1 2.67 2624 97.5 60000 7907 1.223 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot Magnum 112.0 49.5 3.21 2617 95.2 53974 8585 1.244 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S361 108.8 47.0 3.05 2611 93.8 60000 7964 1.218 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2495 93.3 37.0 2.40 2606 100.0 60000 6913 1.259 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4955 Enduron 112.0 44.2 2.87 2591 93.5 56847 8058 1.235 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R901 92.9 35.8 2.32 2583 100.0 60000 6885 1.248 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-23 112.0 44.5 2.88 2569 99.2 46628 8379 1.323
Rottweil R905 112.0 45.1 2.92 2568 91.8 50434 8417 1.287
Accurate 3100 112.0 45.5 2.95 2563 97.4 50695 8068 1.306
Bofors RP15 112.0 45.0 2.91 2559 93.3 47276 8683 1.319
Winchester WXR 112.0 45.0 2.91 2559 93.3 47276 8683 1.319
SNPE Vectan SP 12 112.0 48.5 3.14 2548 91.2 48676 8748 1.301
PB Clermont PCL 517 112.0 48.5 3.14 2542 90.9 48414 8735 1.304
Hodgdon H4831 112.0 44.2 2.86 2526 91.2 50685 8022 1.290
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation 112.0 46.3 3.00 2515 88.3 49946 8192 1.298
IMR 7828 112.0 44.2 2.86 2511 90.3 46524 8415 1.328
Vihtavuori N165 112.0 45.0 2.91 2504 94.5 48983 7777 1.312
ADI AP 2214 112.0 47.2 3.06 2502 90.2 48828 8284 1.307
Alliant Reloder-25 112.0 45.2 2.93 2497 95.8 42803 8656 1.373
Vihtavuori N160 112.0 43.6 2.82 2495 92.4 50643 7629 1.300
Lovex S071 112.0 43.0 2.79 2403 95.0 40936 7680 1.437
Norma MRP 2 112.0 45.5 2.95 2391 87.7 38002 8369 1.456
Bofors RP30 112.0 45.5 2.95 2391 87.7 38002 8369 1.456
IMR 7977 Enduron 112.0 45.0 2.91 2391 81.6 50125 7006 1.323
Vihtavuori N570 112.0 47.9 3.11 2343 78.0 37436 8378 1.471
ADI AR 2217 112.0 45.0 2.91 2341 86.2 40317 7694 1.428
Hodgdon H1000 112.0 45.0 2.91 2341 86.2 40317 7694 1.428
ADI AR 2225 112.0 45.7 2.96 2272 86.9 34314 8067 1.525
Hodgdon Retumbo 112.0 45.7 2.96 2272 86.9 34314 8067 1.525
Alliant Reloder-33 112.0 49.3 3.20 2262 76.0 35028 7996 1.521
Lovex D100 112.0 48.9 3.17 2250 74.1 40073 6851 1.454
Vihtavuori N170 112.0 45.0 2.91 2215 77.7 34957 6990 1.535
ReloadSwiss RS 80 112.0 49.3 3.20 2206 74.6 33508 7752 1.554
Vihtavuori 24N41 112.0 48.4 3.14 2206 69.6 37449 6923 1.496
ADI AR 2218 112.0 48.4 3.14 2176 69.2 35081 7335 1.537
Norma 217 112.0 44.8 2.90 2163 82.3 28870 7782 1.647
Hodgdon H870 112.0 46.9 3.04 2134 74.3 29867 7392 1.632
Bofors 12,7mmRA NC1214 Lot20115087 112.0 48.1 3.12 2056 63.5 27250 6766 1.703
Alliant Reloder-50 112.0 49.2 3.19 2053 68.3 26572 7234 1.711
Hodgdon 50BMG 112.0 46.1 2.99 2041 61.3 30075 6237 1.646
Hodgdon US 869 112.0 48.4 3.14 2033 64.5 29741 6281 1.657
SNPE Vectan SP 13 112.0 46.4 3.01 1987 68.5 26559 6273 1.732
Accurate 8700 112.0 47.4 3.07 1940 64.9 26803 5952 1.737
PB Clermont PCL 513/520/9520 112.0 46.4 3.01 1929 64.8 25175 5956 1.777
Vihtavuori 20N29 112.0 48.9 3.17 1909 61.6 25166 5933 1.779
NC A3502 ,test only 112.0 44.5 2.88 1792 44.0 25371 4212 1.808
TLP A 502(RH) ,test only 112.0 44.5 2.88 1773 47.5 23361 4493 1.861
V1734 7-multiperf ,test only 112.0 44.5 2.88 1274 21.5 13631 2039 2.416
Posted By: TackDriver
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/17/18 09:13 PM
If you get me some data like velocity, barrel length, case H20 capacity, bullet, powder used, etc, I may help pinpoint your possible nodes with Quickload.
Posted By: cblackall
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/18/18 02:31 PM
GLC, I’ve been trying to upload photos from my iPhone, but it’s telling me they’re the wrong format. I’ve never had this issue in the past. I can text photos if you want them. I’m loading a fairly stiff load of Varget behind the ELD-M. Start around 39.0 gr, and work up. I haven’t found them to be seating depth sensitive. I just went as long as my unmodified 700 action would allow, which is 2.860” and they shot well. My magazines allow for longer seating, but I’d need to notch my receiver. As stated earlier, I’m jumping .075 thousandths.
Posted By: GLC
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/18/18 08:40 PM
If you get me some data like velocity, barrel length, case H20 capacity, bullet, powder used, etc, I may help pinpoint your possible nodes with Quickload.
Unfortunately can't give you a lot of info, no crono, no H20 case capacity known, 22 inch barrel, bullet Hornady ELDX 150 grain, IMR 4064.
Posted By: GLC
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/18/18 08:48 PM
GLC, I’ve been trying to upload photos from my iPhone, but it’s telling me they’re the wrong format. I’ve never had this issue in the past. I can text photos if you want them. I’m loading a fairly stiff load of Varget behind the ELD-M. Start around 39.0 gr, and work up. I haven’t found them to be seating depth sensitive. I just went as long as my unmodified 700 action would allow, which is 2.860” and they shot well. My magazines allow for longer seating, but I’d need to notch my receiver. As stated earlier, I’m jumping .075 thousandths.
I am going to try a lot hotter loads in the 150's for more velocity while checking for pressure signs. I am shooting a long action chassis gun so I can load very long.
Posted By: GLC
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 02/19/18 05:57 PM
Back from the range, I give up on the 7mm ELDX. Going back to Nosler.
Posted By: GLC
Re: Problem ELDX 7mm08 - 03/03/18 02:07 AM
Be sure and let me know how many you have, so I'll have the right amount of cash to hand you.
Fyi, your pm is full, bringing 171, 162 eldx and a few 150 eldx.