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Where are all the muzzleloader guys ?

Posted By: Old Stony

Where are all the muzzleloader guys ? - 05/25/19 11:31 PM

This thread has been really quiet for a while now ! We need to get some discussions going and get some of the guys active again ! Anybody out there working with a new muzzleloader to hunt with? How about some trips to the range and posted results?
Posted By: RANGERRONG

Re: Where are all the muzzleloader guys ? - 05/26/19 08:36 PM

i agree
Posted By: SowHntr

Re: Where are all the muzzleloader guys ? - 05/27/19 01:35 AM

Looks like I drew my Kansas muzzleloader tag. I have never hunter there but got a lease this season. Havenít even seen it yet. We are heading up soon. Since my uncle didnít draw I might carry his scopes pro hunter. I really want to break in the hawkens.
Posted By: Old Stony

Re: Where are all the muzzleloader guys ? - 05/27/19 11:07 AM

You get game with your Hawken, you will never forget it! Hunting in the old traditional manner with smokepoles like that is an experience that will stay with you forever. A friend invited me to hunt some of his property in Oklahoma this season....and asked me what I would hunt with. I told him "what else"...a muzzleloader....
Posted By: TX_LT230FH

Re: Where are all the muzzleloader guys ? - 05/29/19 05:06 PM

I need to get mine going. I used to have an in-line and got rid of it. Then I picked up A TC Seneca off the forum in 45, and I inherited my Dad's old TC Hawken 50 that he bought right after he saw the Jeremiah Johnson movie the umpteenth time right after it came out. I guess what slows me down is the thoughts of cleaning them......
Posted By: Hopedale

Re: Where are all the muzzleloader guys ? - 05/29/19 09:02 PM

Funny, just thinking about finally getting to putting a scope on mine.
Posted By: Herbie Hancock

Re: Where are all the muzzleloader guys ? - 05/29/19 11:54 PM

Iíll be using a muzzleloader for the first time when I go up to Kansas. I am pretty excited about it all.
Posted By: SowHntr

Re: Where are all the muzzleloader guys ? - 05/29/19 11:55 PM

I take mine to the range/land about every other trip. Iíve probably put 150 rounds through the hawkens in the past year. 90 grains of pyrodex RS and 195 gr powberbelts are shooting great. 1 inch groups at 100 with iron sites and a clean bore.
Posted By: fishdfly

Re: Where are all the muzzleloader guys ? - 05/30/19 02:35 AM

I hunt with M/L side lock only.

I shoot competition at the state and national level, again side lock only.

I look here at times, seems the interest is in only in-lines.

The Texas state championship is 04-09 June in Brady. Black powder and supplies are supposed to be there.
Posted By: SowHntr

Re: Where are all the muzzleloader guys ? - 05/30/19 05:19 AM

Originally Posted by fishdfly
I hunt with M/L side lock only.

I shoot competition at the state and national level, again side lock only.

I look here at times, seems the interest is in only in-lines.

The Texas state championship is 04-09 June in Brady. Black powder and supplies are supposed to be there.


Is it flint lock only or does percussion count as well? What are the regs for the competition?

Thanks josh
Posted By: fishdfly

Re: Where are all the muzzleloader guys ? - 05/30/19 03:26 PM

Rifle, percussion and flint
Pistol- percussion and flint
Shotgun

The above are all side lock.

Do a search for Texas Muzzle Loading Rifle Assc. and look under Swap Sheet.

I will try to send the rules via PM.
Posted By: duckhunter175

Re: Where are all the muzzleloader guys ? - 05/30/19 09:15 PM

Rifle: CVA Accura MR and a Traditions Deerhunter kit gun, both .50cal.

Waiting to see next week if I draw a CO muzzy tag. If so I'll need ideas on irons for the Accura!
Posted By: SowHntr

Re: Where are all the muzzleloader guys ? - 05/31/19 01:57 AM

Thanks fish! That was a lot of info you sent me. That would be fun to see.
Posted By: Blank

Re: Where are all the muzzleloader guys ? - 05/31/19 02:37 PM

Still here, just pretty darn busy right now. Didn't draw my Kansas muzzy deer tag this year, which was a shock. Thought I had them all figured out, and now have to wait a year.

Did get drawn for a Utah muzzy antelope and waiting for draws in AZ, WY, and ID to know final hunt plans.
Posted By: Old Stony

Re: Where are all the muzzleloader guys ? - 05/31/19 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by Blank
Still here, just pretty darn busy right now. Didn't draw my Kansas muzzy deer tag this year, which was a shock. Thought I had them all figured out, and now have to wait a year.

Did get drawn for a Utah muzzy antelope and waiting for draws in AZ, WY, and ID to know final hunt plans.

That's getting pretty serious about your muzzleloader hunting !
Posted By: colt.45

Re: Where are all the muzzleloader guys ? - 06/02/19 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by fishdfly
Rifle, percussion and flint
Pistol- percussion and flint
Shotgun

The above are all side lock.

Do a search for Texas Muzzle Loading Rifle Assc. and look under Swap Sheet.

I will try to send the rules via PM.


cheers Cool info fishdfly... My first deer rifle twas the .45 Kentucky have couple side locks, & of coarse me .44 slinger 1851 postal & New Orleans special ( think that's what its called) single shot darranger type use .440 round ball... Tryed finding a .45 inline last year, bang No could do, so bought .50 in-line... Still prefure the side-lock or flint .45's...

Keep your head held hi & your powder dry...
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Posted By: fishdfly

Re: Where are all the muzzleloader guys ? - 06/02/19 10:55 PM

I like traditional M/L, guess it's my age. I shoot flint pistols better than percussion for some reason.

In modern guns, I still like nice wood and checkering. Just cannot adjust to plastic.
Posted By: JABHunting

Re: Where are all the muzzleloader guys ? - 06/03/19 03:37 PM

I have a 191 year old flintlock with a brand new stock and touch-hole. I went to the range the same day it arrived in the mail and to my total surprise it was sighted-in. I loaded my usual starting point of 80 grains FFFg Goex, .530 swaged ball and .018 pillow ticking patch with 7:1 Ballistol/Water dry lube. Pan primed with FFFFg Goex. First 5 shots at 50-yards were 2.5" high on the bullseye and grouped into one expanding hole. Moved target to 100-yards and was totally surprised to see a 3" 3-shot group with perfect elevation and windage! The following Saturday I snuck around a 10,100 acre ranch dodging mosquitoes and snakes to finally get a Red Deer in my sights. The shot hit perfect and the deer went down. The in and out holes were large and although the deer didn't go anywhere the amount of blood on the ground was significant. I am planning to hunt with the rifle exclusively for the remainder of this year at least.

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Posted By: Choctaw

Re: Where are all the muzzleloader guys ? - 06/03/19 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by colt.45
Originally Posted by fishdfly
Rifle, percussion and flint
Pistol- percussion and flint
Shotgun

The above are all side lock.

Do a search for Texas Muzzle Loading Rifle Assc. and look under Swap Sheet.

I will try to send the rules via PM.


cheers Cool info fishdfly... My first deer rifle twas the .45 Kentucky have couple side locks, & of coarse me .44 slinger 1851 postal & New Orleans special ( think that's what its called) single shot darranger type use .440 round ball... Tryed finding a .45 inline last year, bang No could do, so bought .50 in-line... Still prefure the side-lock or flint .45's...

Keep your head held hi & your powder dry...
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Colt, have you had any problems using your flinters in the weather in Minnesota?
Posted By: colt.45

Re: Where are all the muzzleloader guys ? - 06/04/19 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by Choctaw
Originally Posted by colt.45
Originally Posted by fishdfly
Rifle, percussion and flint
Pistol- percussion and flint
Shotgun

The above are all side lock.

Do a search for Texas Muzzle Loading Rifle Assc. and look under Swap Sheet.

I will try to send the rules via PM.


cheers Cool info fishdfly... My first deer rifle twas the .45 Kentucky have couple side locks, & of coarse me .44 slinger 1851 postal & New Orleans special ( think that's what its called) single shot darranger type use .440 round ball... Tryed finding a .45 inline last year, bang No could do, so bought .50 in-line... Still prefure the side-lock or flint .45's...

Keep your head held hi & your powder dry...
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Colt, have you had any problems using your flinters in the weather in Minnesota?


Dont own flint lock... Did find one (flint lock) identical ta my .45 Kentucky bang $120.00, just didnt have the money, out of work, not by choice... Have shot flint in winter though, key is keeping it dry, also flint plays roll, it fired twice, pan egnited, just not powder in barrell, third time it did the k- k- pow...
Do prefure old school black powder (side lock & flint) ...
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Posted By: DavidC.

Re: Where are all the muzzleloader guys ? - 06/06/19 04:25 PM

Well, I can offer an incentive to the black powder community, ill offer an additional 10% discount on our meat hunts just for hunting with your smokepole, check out our quality meat hunts in the exotic column.
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Posted By: Adchunts

Re: Where are all the muzzleloader guys ? - 06/07/19 11:55 PM

Iíve shot a lot more deer with a front-stuffer than with a centerfire. Grew up hunting in Arkansas and Oklahoma, and both have muzzleloader seasons that precede modern firearm season. I still go to Oklahoma every year for ML season. Love the sound, the smell, and the smoke.
Posted By: colt.45

Re: Where are all the muzzleloader guys ? - 06/10/19 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by Adchunts
Iíve shot a lot more deer with a front-stuffer than with a centerfire. Grew up hunting in Arkansas and Oklahoma, and both have muzzleloader seasons that precede modern firearm season. I still go to Oklahoma every year for ML season. Love the sound, the smell, and the smoke.


cheers my first derr rifle twas .45 Kentucky... still my favorit...
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Posted By: fishdfly

Re: Where are all the muzzleloader guys ? - 06/10/19 10:43 PM

For those who did not go to Brady last week, you missed a nice shoot. Cooler than normal and no wind to speak of.

Plenty of powder was to be had at decent prices.

Next shoot is October for those interested and need supplies. There is a 1St time shooters match.
Posted By: colt.45

Re: Where are all the muzzleloader guys ? - 06/11/19 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by fishdfly
For those who did not go to Brady last week, you missed a nice shoot. Cooler than normal and no wind to speak of.

Plenty of powder was to be had at decent prices.

Next shoot is October for those interested and need supplies. There is a 1St time shooters match.


bang i'm in Minnesota...

Several years back go th on the public hunting on this forum & had a thread giving invite ta any ta do a hog hunt on WMA land with Muzzleloader... Got 0 responce...
Gonna go back ta thr .45 Kentucky 4 the muzzleloader season here... Getting old, eyes & health not what used ta b so tried in-line with scope... Still prefure old school... learn me limitations not the rifles... Thats d key...

cheers THANKS 4 keeping this part of furom going... Me first post twas in this section... twas told leave advice up ta d experts rofl i did get a D- in grammar... 30 years when joined, going on 40+ of chooten BP dont makes ya an expert.. Had thread : D fun-d-mentals of chooten, somethen like that several years ago, gotta know your limits, not rifles... rofl Think they tried decifering it & most went muyloco ... feel sorry 4 d other colt45, people get us confussed.. why kept me own lingo, as pappy puts it: i gotta b me, no one else wants the job...

Keep your head held high & your powder dry...
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Posted By: Rocklock

Re: Where are all the muzzleloader guys ? - 06/20/19 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by TX_LT230FH
I need to get mine going. I used to have an in-line and got rid of it. Then I picked up A TC Seneca off the forum in 45, and I inherited my Dad's old TC Hawken 50 that he bought right after he saw the Jeremiah Johnson movie the umpteenth time right after it came out. I guess what slows me down is the thoughts of cleaning them......



If you are using black powder and not one of the myriad of substitutes, cleaning is no problem especially w a gun w a hooked breech. Iíve been shooting traditional MLs since Ď73. A good range rod helps but isnít necessary. Remove the nipple and put the breech in tap water. Start with a wet patch (donít want it to get stuck) and run several patches thru the bore, change the water and repeat till patches and water come out clean, dry the barrel w a fresh patch, spray a little WD40 down the bore and on a fresh patch wipe the bore and outside of the barrel. A day or 2 later run a WD40 patch thru. If thereís any brown color the bore wasnít really clean. Before shooting again I wipe with a little 90%alcohol.

Yeah I know, lots of voodoo stuff on the net but it ainít rocket science, black powder and itís residue are water soluble. I tried all the boiling water and commercial goop (theyíre >90% water). By the way I shoot over 2,000 rounds a year through flintlocks, revolvers, muskets and smoothbores then clean as above. This week I ran a WD40 patch thru a bench gun that hasnít been fired in a couple of years. Clean.

If you are using the synthetics, I canít help but understand that requires much more attention as the powder and their residue is different and very corrosive. Find some one with experience there.

As someone else mentioned, I find shooting and hunting with traditional MLs and real BP very satisfying. Casting round balls and minie balls or cleaning isnít a chore just part of the hobby. Check around for other MLers, contact Texas MLRa to see if they can put you in touch with others near you. Iím SW of Austin if thatís close.

Enjoy
TC
Posted By: bassman110

Re: Where are all the muzzleloader guys ? - 06/29/19 01:50 AM

Well I am one of the guys who shoot the modern in-lines and I enjoy the heck out of hunting with them. I currently have a CVA Accura and had an Optima in the past. I have hunted with one or the other for the last 10 or more years and taken more deer with them than any other rifle I own. While they are not flint locks I enjoy the hunts with them very much knowing I get one shot and it has to count. You can't get in a hurry and start lobbing lead when a deer steps out at 200 yards. I love the rush from having to wait for the deer to walk into range, keeping still and/or controlling your movement, and sitting up my pop-up blind in the right location. I get a great deal of satisfaction every year hunting with them and putting venison in the freezer.

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Posted By: sleepyhunter

Re: Where are all the muzzleloader guys ? - 07/01/19 02:17 PM

I just bought a Pedersoli 50 cal percussion rifle, I'm wanting to shoot patch and ball but the barrel diameter is to tight. Can't get it start down the barrel like my Lyman 50.
Posted By: fishdfly

Re: Where are all the muzzleloader guys ? - 07/01/19 07:11 PM

What size patch?

Are you using a short starter?
Posted By: luv2brode

Re: Where are all the muzzleloader guys ? - 07/02/19 03:30 AM

I need to finally fire my smoke pole
Posted By: sleepyhunter

Re: Where are all the muzzleloader guys ? - 07/02/19 01:13 PM







I'm using a .005 patch with a 50 cal round ball.
Posted By: fishdfly

Re: Where are all the muzzleloader guys ? - 07/02/19 05:53 PM

In a 50 Cal., normally a .490 ball with .015 patch. Going to need a short starter and hammer to start the ball.

A tight fitting ball combination is going to produce better groups than a less tight fitting combination, .005 is kind of a thin patch..
Posted By: Booner1

Re: Where are all the muzzleloader guys ? - 07/03/19 04:45 PM

I shoot a in-line, what is the best powder to shoot ??? Loose black powder, powder pellets or white hots ??? I'm sure that I will get many different opinions but what I am trying to do is develop the most consistent load for my muzzy since where I hunt is limited to bow, shotgun or muzzle loader. I have been shooting powerbelt bullets with hodgeman triple 7 pellets with pretty good results but wondering if I can improve on that. What do you do to keep your load dry when hunting in wet weather ???
Posted By: bassman110

Re: Where are all the muzzleloader guys ? - 07/04/19 02:24 AM

I shot triple 7 pellets and white hots along with other brands for several years with a 250gr sabot. But last year I switched over to Blackhorn 209 to try find something with less smoke after shooting to give a better/quicker view. I can say I was very pleased with the results. The Blackhorn 209 produces far less smoke and is also a cleaner. You can actually get a second shot loaded without cleaning if you needed to. It is a loose type synthetic powder which is cut in to small tubular grains. I used tubes to carry measured loads to the field with me. Note that blackhorn 209 requires the use of magnum primers and a special breach plug as it produces higher pressures and faster speeds.
Posted By: adkhunter

Re: Where are all the muzzleloader guys ? - 07/30/19 02:32 AM

Just got my first flinter. An unfixed pedersoli 45 cal Kentucky long rifle. Only shot an encore for the last 20 years. Should be fun to ring out.

Think Iím going to start my oldest boy on it this fall. What do you all recommend for ball and patch size?
Posted By: Old Stony

Re: Where are all the muzzleloader guys ? - 07/30/19 09:00 AM

I'd start with a .440 ball and .015 patch and see how that groups for you. I have some that I have better results with using a .445, but it's just a matter of experimentation.
Posted By: adkhunter

Re: Where are all the muzzleloader guys ? - 08/05/19 12:23 PM

Thanks OS, I need to keep an eye out for a mold, in the mean time I think I may order a few different balls and play around with it.
Posted By: fishdfly

Re: Where are all the muzzleloader guys ? - 08/05/19 08:13 PM

Log Cabin is a good place to get balls and molds when you need them. Nice folks to deal with.
Posted By: SowHntr

Re: Where are all the muzzleloader guys ? - 08/08/19 03:10 AM

Kansas is coming soon! Can’t wait to break out the muzzle loader.
Posted By: Old Stony

Re: Where are all the muzzleloader guys ? - 08/09/19 11:43 PM

Originally Posted by SowHntr
Kansas is coming soon! Can’t wait to break out the muzzle loader.

I always think of Kansas as wide open flat places...and think maybe it would be a tough place for hunting with a muzzleloader. They did a study once and decided that Kansas was in fact flatter than a pancake !
Posted By: SowHntr

Re: Where are all the muzzleloader guys ? - 08/10/19 11:42 AM

Stoney I’m in south east Kansas. I was thinking the same thing, but there is nothing flat about the flint hills.
Posted By: Old Stony

Re: Where are all the muzzleloader guys ? - 08/10/19 04:29 PM

They have some really nice deer there..
Posted By: fishdfly

Re: Where are all the muzzleloader guys ? - 08/11/19 10:40 PM

Practicing for Friendship (pistol), it starts in about 30 days. Practice at 25 yards is going well, 50 yards has been a struggle.

Brady shoot is in October, will post dates later in September.

Seeing a few deer, still to hot to get excited about M/L deer hunting.
Posted By: Palehorse

Re: Where are all the muzzleloader guys ? - 08/12/19 01:44 PM

Well, I'm joining you muzzleloader folks this year. I just bought a TC Black Mountain Magnum 50 with the walnut stock from a cool cat on the green screen. Other than a few minor handling marks, it looks like it's been barely used.
I'm going to the shooting range Tues to try it out.
Posted By: Old Stony

Re: Where are all the muzzleloader guys ? - 08/13/19 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by fishdfly
Practicing for Friendship (pistol), it starts in about 30 days. Practice at 25 yards is going well, 50 yards has been a struggle.

Brady shoot is in October, will post dates later in September.

Seeing a few deer, still to hot to get excited about M/L deer hunting.

I have to agree with you about the heat. I went to a shoot at our local club range on Sunday and some of us old guys were virtually stumbling around by the time we got out of there. I maxed out the A/C in my truck on the way home and kept it that way for almost 30 minutes before I could turn it down !
Good luck at the big shoots...
Posted By: fishdfly

Re: Where are all the muzzleloader guys ? - 08/13/19 11:30 AM

Thanks, they are enjoyable. I get to visit with some good friends and visit with some of the top shooters in the country.

Deer, some of my does have gone to the summer mode. They are wading out into the lake to stay cool and eat some of the floating vegetation. Saw a small buck Sunday.

Did kill a small hog Sunday with my Ruger Old Arm, it has been converted to .36, it is extremely accurate.
Posted By: hank000

Re: Where are all the muzzleloader guys ? - 08/18/19 06:36 AM

I like muzzleloaders and I'm a new guy


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Posted By: NEtransplant

Re: Where are all the muzzleloader guys ? - 08/27/19 09:38 PM

When I found out I was getting stationed in Texas I hit up a good buddy and fellow New Englander who was stationed here for a while. Up northeast, muzzleloader is preferred because rifle (or shotgun only in some states) season was so short, but a muzzleloader could keep you hunting all winter. That and with the technology of in-lines now I wouldn't even hesitate on 100yds. His exact words were "I ran into too many folks that didn't even know what a muzzleloader was".

I do wonder though, for Whitetail, do you miss the action by going out in January with your smoke pole? I have to assume the deer get really skittish and not very active by that point, no?
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