Posted By: SapperTitan
Savage A is youth 7mm-08 - 01/07/18 07:24 PM
Is this too much gun for the average 5-6 yr old? Wanting to get my son a rifle to practice on to get ready for next deer season and hogs.
Posted By: Brother in-law
Re: Savage A is youth 7mm-08 - 01/07/18 07:27 PM
My opinion is yes
6.8 is a good one with the adjustable stock
Posted By: TFF Caribou
Re: Savage A is youth 7mm-08 - 01/07/18 07:29 PM
I’d say yes. I’d be more comfortable with a .223
Posted By: Amarillo.Hunter
Re: Savage A is youth 7mm-08 - 01/07/18 07:42 PM
I'd go 223, 22-250, or maybe a 243/257 Roberts. But, I'd lean towards one the 22 centerfires.
Posted By: Jimbo1
Re: Savage A is youth 7mm-08 - 01/07/18 07:55 PM
Would probably be fine using "lite" loads. That's what my wife shoots and she's a little thing.
Posted By: SapperTitan
Re: Savage A is youth 7mm-08 - 01/07/18 07:55 PM
He already has a 22lr looking for something he can hunt with for the next 5 yrs or so. I thought someone said their kid shoots 7mm-08 with light recoil loads. He has shot my 6.8s one with a red dot but it’s an SBR and has more recoil than my 16 inch but it has either a thermal or VORTEX PST on top and the reticle is prob too busy for him. May get a kynshot hydraulic buffer and try and tune the recoil to as light as possible for the SBR.
Posted By: TFF Caribou
Re: Savage A is youth 7mm-08 - 01/07/18 08:39 PM
Would probably be fine using "lite" loads. That's what my wife shoots and she's a little thing.
Without personally having shot the lite loads, I’d still say there is a big difference in a small framed adult female and a 5 year old kid.
Posted By: Buzzard Breath
Re: Savage A is youth 7mm-08 - 01/07/18 10:52 PM
I went the .243 route with my daughter, if I had to do over I'd start her on the 22-250 bull barrel and focus on accuracy. Would be something for the next 5 years and beyond.
Posted By: rogerh
Re: Savage A is youth 7mm-08 - 01/07/18 11:01 PM
I agree, I have the Howa heavy barrel and it's recoil is very light IMO.
Posted By: redchevy
Re: Savage A is youth 7mm-08 - 01/08/18 12:53 AM
Get the 7mm08 and shoot reduced recoil ammo. Bet chad could easily make a reduced load with low recoil and would work like a charm and still leave him a great caliber to grow into.
Posted By: skinnerback
Re: Savage A is youth 7mm-08 - 01/08/18 01:34 AM
I’d say yes. I’d be more comfortable with a .223
Agreed
Also agree, any 22 cal center fire and especially a 22-250 and don't be surprised if he wants to use it the rest of his life.
Posted By: VAFish
Re: Savage A is youth 7mm-08 - 01/08/18 04:00 PM
I don't own a 7-08, but I did some searching (I thought a full power .22-250 would have more recoil than a reduced recoil 7-08) and even with the Remington Reduced Recoil ammunition in a 7lb rifle it's going to have 12.35 ft lbs of recoil energy. A .22-250 using a 62 gr bullet at 3,500 fps in the same weight rifle will have 6.61 ft lbs of recoil energy and a .223 with a 64 gr bullet at 2900 fps will have 4.51 ft lbs of recoil energy.
So the 7mm-08 with reduced recoil loads has about twice the recoil of a .22-250 and almost three times the recoil of a .223 given the same weight rifle.
I used to do a lot of junior rifle coaching, biggest problem with a 5-6 yr old kid is getting a rifle that fits them properly. You need a really short length of pull. And if you want the rifle to grow with them that's a lot of adjustment from 6 yrs old to adult. I think your best bet is an AR15 M4 style carbine. But I would go .300 BLK. I know plenty of folks use a .223 on deer and hogs, but in my experience the .300 blk just hammers them much harder. The .300 blk with a 110 gr bullet at 2180 fps will have about 5 ft lbs of recoil energy in that same 7lb rifle as I used in all my other calculations. It has plenty of power for deer and hogs out to 150 yards which is plenty far for a 6 year old.
Posted By: redchevy
Re: Savage A is youth 7mm-08 - 01/08/18 06:20 PM
Where did you get the recoil figures from?
I just ran some stuff through an on line recoil calculator and with reduced loads you can get a 100 grain soft points in the 2500 fps range with same recoil as factory full power 55 grain 22-250.
Posted By: skinnerback
Re: Savage A is youth 7mm-08 - 01/08/18 06:57 PM
Can't go wrong with a blackout.
Posted By: unclebubba
Re: Savage A is youth 7mm-08 - 01/08/18 08:25 PM
I searched for a while, but finally found my boy's first deer rifle. Rossi .357 single shot. Very little recoil, and is good out to 100 yards.
Posted By: VAFish
Re: Savage A is youth 7mm-08 - 01/09/18 02:17 PM
Where did you get the recoil figures from?
I just ran some stuff through an on line recoil calculator and with reduced loads you can get a 100 grain soft points in the 2500 fps range with same recoil as factory full power 55 grain 22-250.
http://www.shooterscalculator.com/recoil-calculator.phpUsed figures from Nosler handloading data for powder amounts.
Posted By: redchevy
Re: Savage A is youth 7mm-08 - 01/09/18 02:17 PM
If you hand him a box of full house 140 grainers sure. If you buy a pound of H4895 and load 20-30 grains under a 100 grain soft point you will have a deer killing machine with recoil between a 223 and 22250.