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Hard to sell guns: Your opinion
Posted By: Kevin1
Hard to sell guns: Your opinion - 08/06/17 02:04 AM
What are some of the guns that are hard to sell?
I can think of a few:
-Anything in .40 (since FBI went with 9mm)
-Hard to find calibers (like 17HM2)
-Some brands (I’ve heard Kahr drops a lot in value. Not sure why? I have a CM9 I bought new and I absolutely love it)
-Basic Ars (This seems to follow the political climate. Currently the market seems to be saturated)
-Brands that went bankrupt (like the sport division of Colt)
Do you agree with the above list? Can you think of anything else?
Posted By: DStroud
Re: Hard to sell guns: Your opinion - 08/06/17 02:07 AM
I would think the Colt's may be hard to sell now but gain value over time if they no longer are available.
Posted By: jhenderson
Re: Hard to sell guns: Your opinion - 08/06/17 02:16 AM
Anything custom or higher end
Posted By: jhenderson
Re: Hard to sell guns: Your opinion - 08/06/17 02:18 AM
There's a market for everything just depends on what it is to appeal to the larger crowd. Any true custom rifle will be a hard sell unless you find the person looking for the exact thing. High end 1911's Wilson nighthawk les bear etc have an appeal but not everyone is gonna spend 2k either.
Posted By: Kevin1
Re: Hard to sell guns: Your opinion - 08/06/17 02:19 AM
I would think the Colt's may be hard to sell now but gain value over time if they no longer are available.
I'm talking about Colt competition. Not Colt's Manufacturing Company (that makes the M4 and still exists).
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/03/robert-farago/colt-competition-goes-business-first-many/
Posted By: TexFlip
Re: Hard to sell guns: Your opinion - 08/06/17 02:27 AM
Selling a used HK pistol for anywhere near it's actual price is next to impossible.
Posted By: Gone to Texas
Re: Hard to sell guns: Your opinion - 08/06/17 02:27 AM
Anything custom or higher end
Yup, just like anything else price point is very important. The market for a $1,500 gun is a lot smaller than the market for a $150 gun.
Caliber is important as well. And for me, ARs or anything tactical sells fast.
I've sold a few hunting rifles and the one that took the longest to sell was a 30-06.
Posted By: Palehorse
Re: Hard to sell guns: Your opinion - 08/06/17 02:34 AM
Old military rifles that have been Bubba modified. Before he passed away, my next door neighbor gave me a Mosin Nagant carbine that has a synthetic stock, see through mounts, and a cheap Tasco scope. I really appreciated it but that thing is hideous. I took it to a gun show and about got laughed out of the place. I just use it as a loaner hog rifle for when my brother in law comes into town.
Posted By: Kevin1
Re: Hard to sell guns: Your opinion - 08/06/17 02:51 AM
Old military rifles that have been Bubba modified. Before he passed away, my next door neighbor gave me a Mosin Nagant carbine that has a synthetic stock, see through mounts, and a cheap Tasco scope. I really appreciated it but that thing is hideous. I took it to a gun show and about got laughed out of the place. I just use it as a loaner hog rifle for when my brother in law comes into town.
That is funny....Please post a picture
Posted By: Kevin1
Re: Hard to sell guns: Your opinion - 08/06/17 02:59 AM
Selling a used HK pistol for anywhere near it's actual price is next to impossible.
HKs and and some Sigs should be easy to sell. Was it a 9mm? I'm thinking you should be able to get 75% of the new price. For example a mint Sig P226 in 9mm would probably sell for around $675 (vs $900 new). I suppose the same rationale would apply to HK.
Posted By: BCJ
Re: Hard to sell guns: Your opinion - 08/06/17 03:13 AM
Glocks are a lot harder to sell now, the XD and M&P come in too much cheaper
Posted By: bigjoe8565
Re: Hard to sell guns: Your opinion - 08/06/17 03:58 AM
High priced custom AR which translates to garage build with high end components
Custom or heavily modified pistols
Posted By: jeepercreeper
Re: Hard to sell guns: Your opinion - 08/06/17 04:03 AM
Seems like everything is hard to sell right now. Market is saturated and there is no panic.
Posted By: Kevin1
Re: Hard to sell guns: Your opinion - 08/06/17 04:18 AM
Glocks are a lot harder to sell now, the XD and M&P come in too much cheaper
I wasn't expecting this! Who knew... I guess I shouldn't even try to sell my Glock 35 (it's a Glock and it's a .40 cal!)
Posted By: easttxhoghunter
Re: Hard to sell guns: Your opinion - 08/06/17 05:26 AM
Guess it's just time to hold on to them till the next panic. Hopefully that doesn't come. Been thinking of selling my Ruger M77 Bi-Centenial #57 of 500, 7x57 Mauser. I've had it since 1976 and it is a 98. But then again, maybe not.
Posted By: RiverRider
Re: Hard to sell guns: Your opinion - 08/06/17 11:43 AM
It may be hard to sell something at the price you want, but anything that's priced right will sell. The size of your target market can really make a big difference, though. Selling locally on THF, you might have a hot item and get your price easily...or you might have something that's *not so hot* and have to discount it heavily. Items like that are best marketed nationally using Gunbroker or some such tool. At least this is the way I see it.
Posted By: blackcoal
Re: Hard to sell guns: Your opinion - 08/06/17 12:40 PM
It may be hard to sell something at the price you want, but anything that's priced right will sell. The size of your target market can really make a big difference, though. Selling locally on THF, you might have a hot item and get your price easily...or you might have something that's *not so hot* and have to discount it heavily. Items like that are best marketed nationally using Gunbroker or some such tool. At least this is the way I see it.
Agree with price and item. Lot of items for sale are like the farmer that parks a tractor by the fence and puts a "for sale" sign on it. He is asking double for the tractor and will discount it for the "Green Acres" guy from the metroplex. He isn't going to spend a penny trying to sell it, and doesn't care if it sells. Same thing with many guns for sale through THF. Start charging for ad space and items will drop by 50%. Regarding item, I remember the later '70s when everyone wanted the Beretta 92s, you couldn't sell a 1911 or 6-shooter.
Posted By: HWY_MAN
Re: Hard to sell guns: Your opinion - 08/06/17 12:47 PM
I'm not much on selling guns since I bought them because I wanted them in the first place but I have learned a few things observing others.
I'm not going to say stay away from customs since one can purchase a whole lot a rifle at a reduced price, just remember that you'll rarely get back what you put into them.
I will say stay away from plastic, while they can perform flawlessly and have the durability of their steel counterparts they drop value faster than a new Cadillac.
Stick with long time name brands such as Colt, S&W, Winchester, Remington, Browning and even Ruger if your concerned about a return of investment. Some Euro brands would also make my list with Sig's being at the top.
Now with that said I also have two what I call junker pistols which see allot of carry time and that's a 380 Keltec and a Taurus Model 85 Ultra-lite, both I got specifically for conceal carry and they work perfectly during the warmer months. Both just drop into the front pocket of a pair of cargo shorts. They're ugly, they're cheap but they're damn sure reliable and that's all I wanted. My Colt pistols are the only ones that continue to gain value with the others gaining some or at least holding in value.
Posted By: jeepercreeper
Re: Hard to sell guns: Your opinion - 08/06/17 02:37 PM
The things that amuse me when it comes to gun sales:
1) Custom ARs - if i can buy all the same crap parts you did and cobble together an AR, its not custom. Its a frankenAR.
2) Unrealistic Prices - if i can buy it cheaper brand new why would i want your used gun for the same or higher price?
3) Battle Worn paint jobs - stupidest thing ever first of all. why would i want a gun that looks like a piece of crap that has and never will see battle.
4) Bed Pics - take the 5 minutes to snap pics of ur guns in the garage, kitchen counter, table, floor, anywhere. nobody wants to see the flowered pillows and comforter ur wife picked or the pee stained sheets/mattress from ur bachelor pad.
Posted By: J.G.
Re: Hard to sell guns: Your opinion - 08/06/17 02:44 PM
Anything custom or higher end
Yes, on this forum.
Posted By: bphillips
Re: Hard to sell guns: Your opinion - 08/06/17 05:31 PM
Anything custom or higher end
Yes, on this forum.
Yea customs are actually pretty easy to sell just needs to be somewhere like longranghunting or snipers hide where the majority of memebers know what they're looking at. THF is tough for any high end items
Posted By: MClark
Re: Hard to sell guns: Your opinion - 08/06/17 06:02 PM
Rifles chambered in wildcat cartridges.
If ammunition can't be bought at the local gunshop it will be hard to sell even if brass and reloading dies are included.
European cartridges- I bought a near new CZ 550 with brass and dies for $300 because it was in 9.3X62.
The dealer said I was the first person who didn't drop it like a hot potato when I read the caliber.
M
Posted By: DStroud
Re: Hard to sell guns: Your opinion - 08/06/17 08:18 PM
Rifles chambered in wildcat cartridges.
If ammunition can't be bought at the local gunshop it will be hard to sell even if brass and reloading dies are included.
European cartridges- I bought a near new CZ 550 with brass and dies for $300 because it was in 9.3X62.
The dealer said I was the first person who didn't drop it like a hot potato when I read the caliber.
M
True... I picked up a 6x45mm Cooper that was unfired with rings for a steal back a couple years ago as nobody knew what it was at that store.
Posted By: wall8053
Re: Hard to sell guns: Your opinion - 08/09/17 06:27 PM
Seems like everything is hard to sell right now. Market is saturated and there is no panic.
Pretty much sums it up. And definitely higher end items are hard to move here.
Posted By: SnakeWrangler
Re: Hard to sell guns: Your opinion - 08/10/17 01:14 AM
Seems like everything is hard to sell right now. Market is saturated and there is no panic.
Pretty much sums it up. And definitely higher end items are hard to move here.
Definitely a buyers market......
Posted By: Palehorse
Re: Hard to sell guns: Your opinion - 08/10/17 01:38 AM
Seems like everything is hard to sell right now. Market is saturated and there is no panic.
Pretty much sums it up. And definitely higher end items are hard to move here.
Definitely a buyers market......
It sure doesn't seem like prices reflect that. I am constantly seeing used guns with little to no collector value priced at or above new prices. I don't know if they are getting those prices but I'm sure not paying it.
Posted By: SnakeWrangler
Re: Hard to sell guns: Your opinion - 08/10/17 01:41 AM
Sellers don't want to accept that their guns have gone down in value from the "rush" a couple years ago....that's why they don't sell....over priced for the current market...
Posted By: The Dude Abides
Re: Hard to sell guns: Your opinion - 08/10/17 01:52 AM
Seller can ask anything they want but the item is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. Sellers should not get their panties in wad if someone makes an offer lower than what their asking. If you paid a $1,000 for a gun 2 years ago then you can expect to get roughly 45% if selling to a shop and 65% if selling to a private party. The firearms industry / market is beyond saturated.
Posted By: RiverRider
Re: Hard to sell guns: Your opinion - 08/10/17 02:16 AM
I think some guys just look the ongoing Gunbroker auctions and assume the seller is going to get his price. As they used to say in the USSR, nyet, nyet, NYET! COMPLETED auctions where items actually did sell is where you find out what an item might be worth.
Posted By: patriot07
Re: Hard to sell guns: Your opinion - 08/10/17 02:23 AM
AR market is awful. Bolt gun market isn't as bad, especially for low/medium priced guns.
Posted By: SnakeWrangler
Re: Hard to sell guns: Your opinion - 08/10/17 11:45 AM
AR market is awful. Bolt gun market isn't as bad, especially for low/medium priced guns.
Wheel guns are still way up there too....saw a early 70's colt .357 go for around $2,500....
Posted By: TX_LT230FH
Re: Hard to sell guns: Your opinion - 08/10/17 04:03 PM
It's less worrisome if you never sell any. It's much easier to talk oneself into keeping one than it is to selling it.
Posted By: Kevin1
Re: Hard to sell guns: Your opinion - 08/10/17 06:19 PM
AR market is awful. Bolt gun market isn't as bad, especially for low/medium priced guns.
Wheel guns are still way up there too....saw a early 70's colt .357 go for around $2,500....
Those are classic guns. Anything like that will actually gain in value overtime.
But buying the latest cool gun is different story....6 month later, a new version is out and your 1st gen gun takes a big hit.
Posted By: patriot07
Re: Hard to sell guns: Your opinion - 08/10/17 06:23 PM
That's true Kevin. Anything that is at risk of being banned by democrats was significantly more expensive this time last year than it is now. Most of the rest of the market is pretty normal since then.
Posted By: Chris42
Re: Hard to sell guns: Your opinion - 08/10/17 07:27 PM
Tons of new pistols in the $300-550 range. AR are dirt cheap. Yep buyers market.
AKs, wheel guns, still seem to well for premium.
Posted By: huntwest
Re: Hard to sell guns: Your opinion - 08/11/17 01:58 AM
For the most part if you purchased a new gun of any brand at retail you have to wait about 10 years to get your money back or make a little profit. Normally the only exception is on a gun that the public thinks is going to be outlawed and there is a panic buy on them.
Used guns are a lot different.
Posted By: 686ppp
Re: Hard to sell guns: Your opinion - 08/11/17 02:55 PM
Ill agree with Kahr being a hard sell usually take a beating on them. I've had several of them and sold the ones that weren't comfortable to shoot.
Posted By: retfuz
Re: Hard to sell guns: Your opinion - 08/15/17 02:26 AM
Yeah, please post a pic of brother in law!
Posted By: Kevin1
Re: Hard to sell guns: Your opinion - 08/17/17 12:39 AM
The things that amuse me when it comes to gun sales:
Unrealistic Prices - if i can buy it cheaper brand new why would i want your used gun for the same or higher price?
Yup... You can see this on a daily basis. It goes like I got a NIB with less than 500 rounds
, not the original owner, is missing one mag, and I'm selling it for more that what it would cost you (including shipping and FFL) than a new one that is in stock from Buds. I mean what do they think? They should google the price befpre posting!
Posted By: The Dude Abides
Re: Hard to sell guns: Your opinion - 08/17/17 12:44 AM
Yeah, please post a pic of brother in law!
with blue gun?
Posted By: EasyMoney
Re: Hard to sell guns: Your opinion - 08/17/17 07:47 PM
I've had a hard times with savage rifles and odd calibers. On here though everyone's looking for a steal not a deal lol but we all have a little of that in us don't we
Posted By: ZK-315
Re: Hard to sell guns: Your opinion - 08/18/17 05:15 PM
It's less worrisome if you never sell any.
This is me.