Long range rifle

I have been interested in the 1000 yrd shots wanting my on rifle that would be capable of these shots. where would i need to start?I will have someone build it for me are there any gunsmiths around the waco area that could accoplish this for me

I can't point you to a Waco gunsmith but I can point you to a chambering.

If you handload:

#1 .260 Rem
#2 6.5 Creedmore
#3 .243 with 1:8 to 8.5 twist and 105+ g.r bullets
#4 7mm-08

If you don't handload:

#1 6.5 Creedmore
#2 .243 and 100gr. bullets
#3 7mm-08

No I didn't put a damn .308 in there. All of those will out perform the .308 at distance and with a cross wind, which is always present.

Oh and when you read that you need a magnum or a super speed 6.5-284 consider barrel life and recoil of those chamberings larger than a short action. The short action chamberings I mentioned will not kick your retinas loose and will have a fairly long barrel life if loaded with reasonable ammo.

You need something you can shoot hundreds of rounds through and work out to longer ranges in increments.

We shot the other day at 1102 yards. Hit a torso size target
pretty easy. Used a 308. The scope made a big difference, over $2000.

243 is just about as harsh on barrels as the 6.5-284. Seems you got the rest of the post pretty well locked up.

Yes, the .243 can be hard on barrels. That's why I mentioned keeping the ammo "reasonable" in reference to speed. A .243 kept at or under 2900 fps will hold up for quite a while, depending on barrel maker of course. It won't have the longest barrel life of all the choices, for sure.

6.5-284 if you reload.

30-06 can do it also. A 223 can if you really want to.

6.5-284 and the 300 wsm hold the 1000 yard records in benchrest.

243 or 6 remington ackley ized is pretty salty.

260 rem or 260 ackley is pretty sweet to!

High bc and 3000 fps and whatever recoil you can handle and a scope that can repeat the same every time you move it..

My long range rig I have $4000+ in and 1/2 is scope cost!

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2007/07/sarver-shoots-1403-group-at-1000-yards/

He used a 300 Hulk a shortened 338 lapua

6mmBR and wildcats off that cartridge have been setting records quite a bit lately

I would read that site i gave you youll learn alot

x2..... love my 300 wsm

are you going to reload? if not keep it simple and build a 308 or 300 win mag. Mark Pharr is in round rock just finished up my custom build. he is good! http://www.tumbleweedsrifles.com/

The 06 is a very good comprise in the 30 cal bore when using the 208's. If you are going long action standard bolt face I would look at Tbe 280 or 280AI as it is an awesome performer as well.

If you load your own, go with a fast twist 223. Sending 82 Berger BTHP, pointed, at 2900-ish matches my 260 dope to 1100. If you don't load your own, go 6.5creed or 308.

I just built a 6.5/284. It's awesome!
But, I think any of the 6.5's or the .260 are excellent choices.
I don't reload, but I use Dallasreloads.com (Chad) to do it for me. I am happy with that set up.
Jon Trammel in Breckenridge is a good builder.
Chuck Ross built mine, but he might kind of far from Whacko.
Good luck, shooting "out there" is pure fun!

Anything in the 6.5mm, 7mm, or heavy bullet .308 calibers will work fine. What you need, is a good high BC bullet. Which case that propels this bullet is up to you. The bigger the case, the more recoil and more muzzle blast you will have. It's hard to beat a 6.5mm or 7mm bullet in a 308 Win sized case (like a 260 Rem, 6.5 Creemoor, 7mm-08, etc).

From your posts I would buy an sps tactical with a $300-500 mil dot scope. Preferably vortex, leupold or on the cheaper side Nikon.

If you get so you can shoot better than the rifle then great sell it to get into a better bc rifle. You shouldn't lose any money on it and my guess is 308 will get the job done.

I would build something in a 7mm. It is a flat flying round with great knock down power.

I've been tossing around the idea as well and just can't seem to take my mind off the 7mm stw in a sendero style rifle. I've got 270 and 308's, but it would be nice to have something that can pound steel way out there. I've also been tossing around putting a sightron siii lrmoa scope on whichever I come up with.

You don't need a STW to bang steel way out there. Yes, an STW can do it and di it well. It is one of the hardest recoiling 7mm calibers out there. Most shooters could not shoot this round well. A 7mm-08 with a 162 A-max, 168 or 180 VLD would work very well. A 154 SST would also be a decent choice.

I'm not a long range shooter, but I am a big fan of the 260. Even loaded up to near max with a 120 grain bullet, it doesn't kick as much as my 270, and the 270 is a good bit heavier. And if you want to bang whitetail instead of steel, the 260 has proven to be a very deadly round.

They are also really hard on barrels thanks to that nice overbore it has.

Did I mention the short actions?

First off, what is your skill level at this point in time? When you get to where you can get tiny groups with a 22lr, then switch to 223....when you get tiny groups farther out, switch to something else.

The 308 may not be en vogue at this point, but match grade ammo can be had cheaper in 308. It will take a LOT of practice in order to get to where you can utilize a gun that is capable of 1k+ yard shots. Get something smaller, and a lot of ammo, and practice until you get good. The 223 or 308 will be cheaper to learn with. Once you are faithful in the small things, move on up to bigger things.

Come to think of it, starting off with a good quality pellet gun in the backyard might also be a good place to start. Look up Peter Hathaway Capstick and his writing about "Mini Sniping"-shooting at a 9mm casing at 30 meters! It is much harder than you would think, and can be done in the backyard!

There are tons of rifles/calibers that are more than capable of making 1000 yard shots. Many of these are off the shelf rifles. You could go many different ways with many different calibers. Some will make you work a little harder than others.

When I hunted the NW corner of Co. for Elk, I lived w/a 7MM Rem
Mag and a 300 Win Mag..both were great at range, and proved it many times over..If you just want to bang targets,irregardless of
some folks opinion, the 308 will do it w/aplomb daily and for less bucks and effort than any of the other calibers..Don

I wouldn't say less effort since it has a tendency to be affected by the wind a good bit more than most of the calibers listed above. For me the less I have to worry about perfect wind holds the better. Unless you were considering cost and availability of ammo then yes the 308 isn't bad but 6.5 CM is a bit cheaper than FGMM which seems to be a standard in off the shelf ammo.

I'm with dee 100%

I've shot enough .308 rounds to know it can give new, or even experienced shooters, fits when it comes to wind holds. OP mentioned 1000 yards. Well the .308 will have a 1.0+ Mil variance at 1000. That's a 3 foot difference from on density altitude and temp to another. The elevation correction you got a hit with last month may cause you to miss high or low this month depending on conditions. The wind hold you used last month may not work at all this month.

I'm not hating on the .308. It hits hard, its a killing machine and it is very consistant to 500 yards for just about any type of environmental conditions. But the game is much harder 700 yards and out with the .308 the 6mm 6.5s and 7s are a better choice. And you don't "need" a .30-06 bolt face to get it done, especially someone new to getting the fundamentals of marksmanship as perfect as possible. Learn to properly drive the rifle with something that doesn't recoil too much, then move up to a long action or magnum.

I started with a .22-250 and got out to 600 yards with it, then moved to a .308 and worked out to 1000. Looking back I would've saved quite a bit of time, money and frustration had I skipped the .308 and went to the .260 I'm currently shooting. My experience with the .260 has been a pure joy compared to the .308

i read this thread and I agree with it all pretty much 100%

I would look at the 260 or 260 AI if you reload..

there are many many options... trust me a 300 win mag or 260 are tough to beat.

what is the barrel life of a 308 vs 260?

3500-4000 260 up to 7000-8000 on the 308.

I can hit .22 cases at 30 meters with my open sight single shot .22 I,m not new to shooting long range I have shot steel plates at 500 yards with nothing more than a 25-06 hunting rifle I'm looking for a badass gun and round that will get me out farther not a pellet gun.

Well now your speaking my language... first question do you reload?

Do not but indend too

Accurate barrel life f a 260 will be around 2000 to 3000 rounds. I've seen them go out at 1100 rounds and last up to 3500 rounds. Most shooters with a 260 shooting comps replace a barrel when accuracy falls off, which is about 2500 rounds, give ot take a few rounds.
308- I've seen 10K rounds and still shoot 1/2 moa. Around 8K rounds would be a good average.

In that case; 6.5mm barrel with 1:8.4" twist chambered in .260

H-4350, Berger 140 gr target hybrid making 2700 to 2850 fps.

I just did my first step of load development with that bullet and it is impresive!

Run the numbers in JDM Ballistics and see what you get, bet you're impressed as well.