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Season is almost over, so who thinks…
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12/28/24 06:36 PM
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Moon has an effect on buck movement?
Been hunting several years, certainly not as long as many on here. I have always felt moon has an effect on deer movement in general and phase and position make a difference, albeit small.
There are always days that are outliers and days that I wish I was in the woods as cameras have shown unbelievable amounts of buck activity….
So what say you, do you believe the moon has any bearing on buck movement?
This is a serious question, please don’t answer “best to just he in the woods” as i understand that concept very well. I am searching for honest debate about the moon effect on buck movement. Seems this should be pretty clean, and hopefully a lively discussion on the topic.
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Re: Season is almost over, so who thinks…
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12/28/24 06:45 PM
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I’m a believer in the solunar tables. The 2 places I hunt now are small so I don’t see the daytime activity as much as when I hunted the larger place though.
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Re: Season is almost over, so who thinks…
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12/28/24 06:54 PM
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Re: Season is almost over, so who thinks…
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12/28/24 07:10 PM
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I do believe in it but not as much as I do fishing. I have seen the bite turn off several times right at the end of a major period. That being said, I have always favored a Waxing moon 50-80% for movement into the full moon. I also think wind will trump any moon phase period. Cold and still in that Waxing phase is where I have the most deer and activity.
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12/28/24 08:10 PM
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I do believe in it but not as much as I do fishing. I have seen the bite turn off several times right at the end of a major period. That being said, I have always favored a Waxing moon 50-80% for movement into the full moon. I also think wind will trump any moon phase period. Cold and still in that Waxing phase is where I have the most deer and activity. Interesting stuff, that makes a lotta sense. My MLD season runs through Feb. The ol' lady is grouching about how I don't sit enough, considering the $ we spend on feeding, and she wants some venison. ![wife wife](/forum/images/graemlins/default/wife.gif)
...and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Gen. 1:28
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Re: Season is almost over, so who thinks…
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12/28/24 08:28 PM
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It seems logical that if bucks or deer could see better at night they would move more at night. That would make them less likely to move in the daytime right? I've blamed lack of deer movement on the moon before but don't have any proof to say it's true.
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Re: Season is almost over, so who thinks…
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12/28/24 09:50 PM
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If you google it and read up on it says moon phase has little to no effect on deer movement. But every time I hunt around a full moon it's never that great. Evening hunts are better than morning hunts around the full moon. On the evening hunt I use the road feeder and spread out corn and they eat some of it. In the morning that corn is all gone and the few deer I see just take a small bite and wander off to bed. It's kinda obvious they have been feeding all night. The game cameras verify that. Verde ![[Linked Image]](https://texashuntingforum.com/forum/pics/userpics/2024/12/full-9708-440582-img_0843.jpeg)
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Re: Season is almost over, so who thinks…
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12/28/24 10:03 PM
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Moon movement does effect deer movement and fish feeding times with tidal movements. I hunt on moon rise for 4 hours and moon setting 4 hours before setting. The deer also move in pitch black nights..has nothing to do with being able to see. I don't have a reason why but they just do. Check your cameras will help define feeding times.
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Re: Season is almost over, so who thinks…
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12/29/24 02:00 AM
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I’m not sure how much it affects movement outside of when it’s full they can see better than when it’s new so they may feel more comfortable feeding under better lighting conditions
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Re: Season is almost over, so who thinks…
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12/29/24 04:07 AM
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It”s interesting, according to the people who have commented, most will say the moon has some effect on buck movement. This is in line with a recent survey done as part of a research project that showed 83% of slightly over 1400 respondents (voluntary over social media) said moon had some effect on buck movement.
A project done out of the MSU research lab has done some serious data analysis on collared adult bucks and their movement during the year, focused during the hunting season. It is explained in the deer university podcast from november 15, 2024. The results were impressively humbling to my opinion (and the other 83% of hunters who feel moon has an effect on buck movement).
To summarize, they found that after “controlling” for the increase in buck movement due to rut phase, sunrise and sunset, there was zero effect on buck movement rate and/or bedding time during hunting hours attributed to moon phase, moon position, combination of moon phase and position, and also from a rising or setting moon over periods of sunrise and sunset (they called this the red moon times). They also found zero effect on daytime movement rates and bedding rates from full moon or new moon during the night time hours.
Not gonna lie, i was surprised by the data.
Happy to go deeper into this if anyone wants.
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Re: Season is almost over, so who thinks…
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12/29/24 04:20 AM
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Dang, why dudnt you give us longer to comment. I was going to say I thought it had some effect but not much. I’ve never noticed a difference and there are so many factors that would override any effect that it would be hard to measure.
At some point in life its time to quit chasing the pot of gold and just enjoy the rainbow. FR Keep your gratitude higher than your expectations. RWH
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Re: Season is almost over, so who thinks…
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12/29/24 04:24 AM
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Moon absolutely has an effect on animal movement, along with barometric pressure changes.
That said, it does not mean hunting is gonna be bad or not worth going.
I’ve killed the vast majority of my wall hangers on a full moon. Probably 90% of what I’ve got mounted came during that time.
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: Season is almost over, so who thinks…
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12/29/24 04:28 AM
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I think moon phase does have an affect, but I've yet to figure it out with certainty. I once thought I did, but I didn't. My current observation is that the morning hunt tends to be better leading up to the full moon. Evening hunt tends to be better after the full moon. Another observation is that if the morning hunt is really good, the evening hunt tends not to be as good, and if the evening hunt is good, the morning hunt tends not to be as good. There's definitely a pattern. I just haven't been able to peg it to the moon phase with certainty. It does make for a good excuse when I have a bad hunt though.
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Re: Season is almost over, so who thinks…
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12/29/24 05:49 AM
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I think it might have a little affect on them but more so what time of the day they move during the daylight hours. During a full moon they tend to move during the middle of the day but where we hunt we see less movement at night with a bright moon shining. Since we moved over to cell cams this year I’ve noticed the barometric pressure changes their movement more than anything else outside of the rut.
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Re: Season is almost over, so who thinks…
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12/29/24 06:13 AM
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I am fairly certain barometric pressure is known to have an effect on buck movement….higher barometric pressures mean more buck movement. Obviously though, bucks gotta move during low barometric pressures too, so this isnt to say baro pressure being low means no buck movement.
But that was the question asked on this survey regarding movement, what increase in buck movement would you consider significant ?
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Re: Season is almost over, so who thinks…
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12/29/24 02:08 PM
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Freerange has a point about the other factors going on during full moon. If a major front was coming in or if it was the middle of the rut. I would think the moon wouldn't matter.
Trophy 85, I have no idea what the moon phase was when I got my best bucks. I am going to start paying attention to that. Was it the peak of the rut when you got your trophies?
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Re: Season is almost over, so who thinks…
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12/29/24 04:03 PM
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Saw quite a few deer up and feeding mid morning Saturday as we rove down 287. Nice muley buck just East of Estelline too. Nothing was up at first light, well not sighted from the highway.
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Re: Season is almost over, so who thinks…
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12/29/24 05:21 PM
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We all fall victim of biases, and several are at play in this thread.
Confirmation bias: i shot my best buck and when i checked, it was during a “___ moon phase/position” when the real situation was you were in the stand during the rut and caught a buck on the move, or you shot it close to sunrise/sunset when we know deer are more likely to move. Your bias is that you attribute the buck to the moon phase but not to the other factors.
Selection bias: i only get to hunt several weekends or i see deer up and moving when i do X (drive thru the country, look at trail cams, mow the fields, whatever…) and when i do those things i see more deer moving during full moon or see less movement when full moon is at night, or whatever….this is not taking into account all the other times you are not there to see the deer moving or not moving. But attributing this selection bias to moon is a faulty conclusion.
Anecdotal evidence bias: i know what i see and what so and so told me, so it doesnt matter what anyone else says about the subject, i know what i know because i have experienced it. This is the most common barrier to getting good information out there about deer hunting.
Just throwing this out there. The research done was pretty well done. Sure it isnt perfect, but it was pretty solid. The reality is rut is the biggest factor affecting buck movement, followed by sunrise sunset, and then weather conditions. Moon phase had almost zero effect, well within the margin or error for the gps collar tracking devices.
Of course, research is only as good as the data, and the data may only apply to Mississippi deer. It may also be flawed data. But for what it is, this is a large multiyear study that showed many things affect buck movement, but the moon was not it.
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Re: Season is almost over, so who thinks…
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12/29/24 05:30 PM
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Re: Season is almost over, so who thinks…
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12/29/24 07:34 PM
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I believe the moon has an effect to an extent. Moon effects a lot things, why not deer. Hell, there is enough evidence to prove anyone’s point of view, anecdotal or not. All that matters to us hunters is whether they move while we are in the blind with a gun. ![grin grin](/forum/images/graemlins/default/grin.gif)
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Re: Season is almost over, so who thinks…
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12/29/24 08:33 PM
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Or with a bow ![up up](/forum/images/graemlins/default/cup.gif)
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Re: Season is almost over, so who thinks…
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12/30/24 12:55 AM
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We all fall victim of biases, and several are at play in this thread.
Confirmation bias: i shot my best buck and when i checked, it was during a “___ moon phase/position” when the real situation was you were in the stand during the rut and caught a buck on the move, or you shot it close to sunrise/sunset when we know deer are more likely to move. Your bias is that you attribute the buck to the moon phase but not to the other factors.
Selection bias: i only get to hunt several weekends or i see deer up and moving when i do X (drive thru the country, look at trail cams, mow the fields, whatever…) and when i do those things i see more deer moving during full moon or see less movement when full moon is at night, or whatever….this is not taking into account all the other times you are not there to see the deer moving or not moving. But attributing this selection bias to moon is a faulty conclusion.
Anecdotal evidence bias: i know what i see and what so and so told me, so it doesnt matter what anyone else says about the subject, i know what i know because i have experienced it. This is the most common barrier to getting good information out there about deer hunting.
Just throwing this out there. The research done was pretty well done. Sure it isnt perfect, but it was pretty solid. The reality is rut is the biggest factor affecting buck movement, followed by sunrise sunset, and then weather conditions. Moon phase had almost zero effect, well within the margin or error for the gps collar tracking devices.
Of course, research is only as good as the data, and the data may only apply to Mississippi deer. It may also be flawed data. But for what it is, this is a large multiyear study that showed many things affect buck movement, but the moon was not it. Great summary. I assume the next to the last paragraph is from the study and not your opinion.
At some point in life its time to quit chasing the pot of gold and just enjoy the rainbow. FR Keep your gratitude higher than your expectations. RWH
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12/30/24 12:57 AM
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Dead solid proof right there,,,,,, One time I killed a buck right after the Cowboys lost, so, at halftime today I rushed out to the blind to hunt…..
At some point in life its time to quit chasing the pot of gold and just enjoy the rainbow. FR Keep your gratitude higher than your expectations. RWH
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Re: Season is almost over, so who thinks…
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12/30/24 01:14 AM
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Oh man it has been a tough season for a lot of folks. My dilemma started off with the feeder not throwing and me not knowing, it worked three weeks before opening weekend so never checked again, turns out that apparently the battery went DOA right after that. So no groceries to entice them to my spot, then the Big Full Moon, above average temperatures and precipitation which laid out a salad bar with all of the trimmings, followed by my bad hygiene downwind on my part, oh then you have deer with look out scouts aided by Russian drones and Chinese spy balloons tracking my every move, it has been a challenge! Other than that it has been the best season ever ![muyloco muyloco](/forum/images/graemlins/default/rolleye0018.gif)
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Re: Season is almost over, so who thinks…
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We all fall victim of biases, and several are at play in this thread.
Confirmation bias: i shot my best buck and when i checked, it was during a “___ moon phase/position” when the real situation was you were in the stand during the rut and caught a buck on the move, or you shot it close to sunrise/sunset when we know deer are more likely to move. Your bias is that you attribute the buck to the moon phase but not to the other factors.
Selection bias: i only get to hunt several weekends or i see deer up and moving when i do X (drive thru the country, look at trail cams, mow the fields, whatever…) and when i do those things i see more deer moving during full moon or see less movement when full moon is at night, or whatever….this is not taking into account all the other times you are not there to see the deer moving or not moving. But attributing this selection bias to moon is a faulty conclusion.
Anecdotal evidence bias: i know what i see and what so and so told me, so it doesnt matter what anyone else says about the subject, i know what i know because i have experienced it. This is the most common barrier to getting good information out there about deer hunting.
Just throwing this out there. The research done was pretty well done. Sure it isnt perfect, but it was pretty solid. The reality is rut is the biggest factor affecting buck movement, followed by sunrise sunset, and then weather conditions. Moon phase had almost zero effect, well within the margin or error for the gps collar tracking devices.
Of course, research is only as good as the data, and the data may only apply to Mississippi deer. It may also be flawed data. But for what it is, this is a large multiyear study that showed many things affect buck movement, but the moon was not it. Great summary. I assume the next to the last paragraph is from the study and not your opinion. Free, while the study was on my mind and i had listened to the podcast recently (hence the thread), all of the stuff i have been writing are my original thoughts. Obviously the summary of the study is using their information, but it was summarized by me on here. Been chasing a specific deer the last couple days. I have seen him twice in two days, both times from around 100 yards, so no shot opp. He is still chasing doe it appears, so trying to pattern is next to impossible. Just hoping he stops chasing at some point and gets hungry. I would really enjoy seeing him on my wall. This new moon has had no effect on this bucks movement. ![hammer hammer](/forum/images/graemlins/default/hammer.gif)
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