This is a new and improved version of another thread.

****I want yalls help trying to figure out the hold point(gun) with the LARGEST MARGIN FOR ERROR IN EVERY DIRECTION.****

What I do NOT NOT want to know is where YOU would aim.
Keep in mind there are LOTS of places to aim and hit and kill a deer but most can be too small for the average shooter in various conditions.
I’m showing an aim point with a circle and I’m suggesting a quality cartridge/bullet anywhere in that circle will definitely kill a deer.
Please tell me if my circle needs to move or if it’s too big or too little.

Circle is too tall. Needs to be expanded a bit to the right and quite a ways left

What you’re asking for is a pretty novice level topic. What is your goal by asking these questions?

You creating a chart?

Did you shoot Old Mo and not find him?

Txtro, it needs to remain a ROUND circle. When you shoot no one knows which way off center the shot may err.
If the CIRCLE moves both right AND left(as you suggest) then it has to get bigger and also go higher and lower. Think about it.
My goal is CLEARLY stated in all caps surrounded by bullet points.
Sorry if my novice way of thinking doesn’t inspire you.

The circle needs to be round because you want it to be round? To me, your large round circle, if it has to be round, needs to be smaller. I don’t care for the 6 O’clock edge, or the 3 O’clock edge. And the 9 O’clock is a bit too close to the guts if the shot isn’t actually broadside. The center circle looks good to me.

That’s pretty much your best “safe zone” as most vital organs expand and contract so there is some movement with body position. That circle would be the constant safe zone

I say it looks good where it's at. I'm understanding your looking at best case scenario for a possible flier, or flinch shot that results in a filled tag.

Exactly. Assuming you meant WORST case scenario. If anyone knows EXACTLY where the bullet will hit then your aiming point may be different. But most don’t know exactly.
Consider a kid or novice hunter. Don’t you want them to aim where they have some room for forgiveness? That’s the aiming point I’m looking for.
Either agree with me or tell me where the aiming point should be for the biggest margin of error. Not that hard guys.

The center of your circle needs to be where the black line leads to.

Assuming you can shoot straight and don’t worry about the rack, shoot it in the head. No tracking needed.

603, surely you understand WHY it needs to be round.
Just like shooting a target- you aim at the bullseye but your shots aren’t in the same hole so they could scatter anywhere in any direction. If someone is shooting 2” groups and go out to 200/300 yards and under less than bench conditions then that bullet could go in any direction and out of the vitals. If you can assume 6” groups at 300 yards then you could hit 3” from center in ANY direction. Just trying to find the spot that will STILL be in vitals regardless which direction it goes off center.

Obviously the head is a very small target and there is little margin for error. The entire thread is to establish where to aim so that a slightly(or more) shot will STILL hit vitals.

by novice level I was assuming you are making a chart/graph for a young hunter or novice level hunters. Not a novice way of thinking, just that shot placement is covered pretty early on in the education process.

I would only take that shot if the left leg was in front of the right leg.

If you are saying EVERYONE shoots there when they are unsure of their shot, or shooter, or situation or whatever then I will quit talking about it. I know for a fact many hunters shoot elsewhere so trying to establish best spot for maximum margin of error.
If you think everyone is taught that then please agree that spot is best or say where it should be.
No tricks here, just trying to get consensus from y’all on best spot for max margin of error.

I think your circle is fine. However, the concerning area for me would the very top of the circle, especially top right. Anywhere in that circle will kill the deer, just depends how far it goes after shot. I have my perfect area, and they drop where they stand.

I would say the center of the circle(crosshairs) would need to be about 4” back from where it’s currently located and down about 2”

Thanks Stompy and that’s fine. So if you are concerned with top and/or top right then that circle needs to be smaller. Making it smaller but keep bottom the same means your aim would be slightly lower and slightly left.

Same thought process if someone is afraid of the leg bone or scapula to the front or right. Either move circle back and/or make smaller which moves your aim point back.

Fair enough and I’ll draw that when I find time.
I would say its not gonna give you quite as much lung capacity to back and lower but we can all play along with a drawing. Good shot for sure.
Edit…after glancing at it, looks like your circle of error would be smaller on the bottom and bottom left. That’s fine if you can hit where you want but once again, looking for largest margin of error.

Basically my aim point is the crease of the shoulder, back part of the heart. That's the perfect spot for me.

For a rifle shot, that is exactly where i am aiming. If shooting for the center target, even a 4inch miss will still hit vitals and kill the deer.

I have guided many hunters. Some novice and some know it all. With any animal I tell them to shoot it right square in the shoulder. They then take out booth shoulders or at least hit some of the vitals. But even then, they hopefully don't gut shoot. That circle is very good.

If you hit anywhere on the head, it’s lethal. And if you can’t hit the head, you shouldn’t take the shot.

This is objectively false

Many years ago my dad and I were hunting in Menard. He had a Doe come by that was barely alive, someone had shot her lower jaw off, he put her out of her misery. She had come from a neighbors ranch. Due to that experience, I will never take a head shot.