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Re: Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?
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10/30/24 05:45 PM
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redchevy
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Everything has limitations. Use good bullets and stay within the limits and I have full confidence in the 223 as a deer rifle. Practiced with my son this year and he developed a pretty good flinch shooting 30-30 and 300BO. Went back to 22 lr ironed it out and then to 223. He liked the 223 and shot well enough with it. I suggested he shoot it for youth weekend, I load 60 grain partitions around 3000 fps for it and have never recovered a bullet or lost a deer. He said he wanted to stick with the 3030 so we did. A slip on recoil pad and practice ended up just fine.
His 3030 load was a 130 grain at 2100 fps what do you have more faith in, that or a 223? I was pretty surprised at the 3030’s performance, but would have had no reservations on the 223 either. Know several old timers that hunted an entire 80-90 year like with a 22 hornet and 222, 22-250 was their BIG GUN!
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Re: Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?
[Re: Choctaw]
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10/30/24 06:09 PM
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freerange
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Serious question, is a tiger hard to kill??
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Re: Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?
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10/30/24 06:16 PM
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Re: Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?
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10/30/24 06:36 PM
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redchevy
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Serious question, is a tiger hard to kill?? I don’t know but they are pretty big animals, 200-650 pounds pending which subspecies etc. think about a 400 lb house cat
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Re: Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?
[Re: Choctaw]
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10/30/24 06:38 PM
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Re: Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?
[Re: freerange]
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10/30/24 07:11 PM
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Serious question, is a tiger hard to kill?? Thin skinned just like bears and mountain lions. So no not hard to get to vitals Only way you Drop any animal right there is severe nervous system. I watched guy take a giraffe with I think 22 CM the other day. Giraffe probably has the thickest ungulate hide. Easy 1”, Video showed Pretty impressive performance
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Re: Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?
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10/30/24 07:30 PM
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People, the thread wasn't meant to be about shooting our little bitty deer with a dang .223. It was about the LRRP using one round to kill a tiger while on a combat patrol. Did you even see the tiger in the picture before jumping to conclusions?
Then why did you title it "Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?" One of the risks one takes when posting on a public forum is that you are not in control of the direction of tangential issues. ya! GWB
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Re: Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?
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10/30/24 07:44 PM
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Do you own or have access to a good tracking dog?
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Re: Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?
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10/30/24 08:03 PM
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freerange
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Serious question, is a tiger hard to kill?? Thin skinned just like bears and mountain lions. So no not hard to get to vitals Only way you Drop any animal right there is severe nervous system. I watched guy take a giraffe with I think 22 CM the other day. Giraffe probably has the thickest ungulate hide. Easy 1”, Video showed Pretty impressive performance That’s what I assumed but never heard it talked about.
At some point in life its time to quit chasing the pot of gold and just enjoy the rainbow. FR Keep your gratitude higher than your expectations. RWH
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Re: Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?
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10/30/24 08:08 PM
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Never shot a bear and don’t care to, but I would have never guessed they were classified as thin skinned?
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Re: Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?
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10/30/24 09:22 PM
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Serious question, is a tiger hard to kill?? I don’t know but they are pretty big animals, 200-650 pounds pending which subspecies etc. think about a 400 lb house cat I would assume they'd be like a giant leopard, and you better make the first shot count or else you gotta whole lotta trouble on your hands. Read Jim Corbett. He had a cast iron pair.
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Re: Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?
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10/30/24 09:32 PM
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People, the thread wasn't meant to be about shooting our little bitty deer with a dang .223. It was about the LRRP using one round to kill a tiger while on a combat patrol. Did you even see the tiger in the picture before jumping to conclusions?
Then why did you title it "Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?" One of the risks one takes when posting on a public forum is that you are not in control of the direction of tangential issues. ya! GWB Yep. Hardly a single subject is potentially a can of worms. Precision in written communication can be difficult to achieve. Maybe we should have a standard THF definition of "adequate." Then again, it would probably get us precisely nowhere.
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Re: Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?
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10/30/24 09:51 PM
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If THF agreed on a definition of “adequate” it would die a slow death-kinda like being shot with a just barely adequate cartridge….
At some point in life its time to quit chasing the pot of gold and just enjoy the rainbow. FR Keep your gratitude higher than your expectations. RWH
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Re: Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?
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10/30/24 10:14 PM
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Re: Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?
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10/30/24 11:59 PM
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People, the thread wasn't meant to be about shooting our little bitty deer with a dang .223. It was about the LRRP using one round to kill a tiger while on a combat patrol. Did you even see the tiger in the picture before jumping to conclusions?
What?
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Re: Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?
[Re: freerange]
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10/31/24 12:44 AM
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If THF agreed on a definition of “adequate” it would die a slow death-kinda like being shot with a just barely adequate cartridge…. that was good I like barely adequate
Bottom line, never trust a man whose uncle was eaten by cannibals.-Sen Joni Ernst
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Re: Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?
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10/31/24 03:23 AM
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Never shot a bear and don’t care to, but I would have never guessed they were classified as thin skinned? Bears, especially the further north you go have long thick fur that makes the hides very heavy. The actual skin portion though is not that thick. Skin is not really relevant where bears are concerned. The bones on the other hand can be very heavy and much thicker and stronger than those on a deer. This is especially true for larger old bears. Fewer reliable bullet options to break both front shoulders on a bear as compared to a deer.
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Re: Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?
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10/31/24 03:31 AM
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If THF agreed on a definition of “adequate” it would die a slow death-kinda like being shot with a just barely adequate cartridge…. that was good I like barely adequate Wait till you’re my age and the term “barely adequate” takes on a whole other meaning…….
At some point in life its time to quit chasing the pot of gold and just enjoy the rainbow. FR Keep your gratitude higher than your expectations. RWH
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Re: Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?
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10/31/24 05:28 AM
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If THF agreed on a definition of “adequate” it would die a slow death-kinda like being shot with a just barely adequate cartridge…. that was good I like barely adequate Wait till you’re my age and the term “barely adequate” takes on a whole other meaning……. Yes, it does.
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Re: Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?
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10/31/24 11:21 AM
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If THF agreed on a definition of “adequate” it would die a slow death-kinda like being shot with a just barely adequate cartridge…. that was good I like barely adequate Wait till you’re my age and the term “barely adequate” takes on a whole other meaning……. Yes, it does. What a pleasant thought for an old man to be reminded of first thing in the mornin'. I'll be fine. I got other skills! I thought this was about tigers? ('Been a long time since I was called Tiger. )
...and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Gen. 1:28
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Re: Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?
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10/31/24 12:48 PM
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If THF agreed on a definition of “adequate” it would die a slow death-kinda like being shot with a just barely adequate cartridge…. that was good I like barely adequate Wait till you’re my age and the term “barely adequate” takes on a whole other meaning……. Yes, it does. IMHO, the 140 Gr. Accubond out of this 7mm-08 rifle was "Bear-ly" adequate! Yowsir! BTW that was a great definition! Good stuff guys! ya, GWB
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Re: Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?
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10/31/24 06:58 PM
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Never shot a bear and don’t care to, but I would have never guessed they were classified as thin skinned? If you shot a bear in arm pit you potentially miss vitals, potentially same with forward shoulder, middle middle to back edge shoulder is the ideal area . hair is only thing thick on a bear, but yes skin is thin, and not hard to get to vitals. Elk and moose are thicker skinned. I’m done using any thing over 224 cal unless I’m CO then you have to use 6mm or bigger. No point and tears up capes.
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Re: Is 5.56 NATO Adequate for deer?
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10/31/24 07:12 PM
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IMHO, the 140 Gr. Accubond out of this 7mm-08 rifle was "Bear-ly" adequate!
Yowsir!
BTW that was a great definition!
Good stuff guys!
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GWB
Perfect example of what I’m talking about, all mine where shot with 115-130gr bullets all have giant holes, a buddy shot switched to 16” 223 with 77TMK suppresed, and works as good if not better, with less hide damage
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