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Never seem this before
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09/04/24 05:58 PM
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12th Man
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I was coming back from Dallas last week on my way home. I was on 114 heading west just passing Decatur. I saw a lone doe in the field looking to her right. I saw a coyote in full run. About seventy five yards in front of the coyote I saw a fawn booking towards the woods. I passed them all at 75 mph. I have no idea how the coyotes hunt ended. I was hoping the fawn had a big enough head start. My bet was the coyote had tender venison for dinner.
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Re: Never seem this before
[Re: 12th Man]
#9102477
09/04/24 06:01 PM
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I was on US85 in eastern WY one time, and a pronghorn doe that had just given birth was having a 30yd standoff with a coyote in an empty basin that we drove by. I doubt it ended well for her, little guy was just too new. I didn't stop to watch.
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Re: Never seem this before
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09/04/24 07:34 PM
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freerange
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They say after about two weeks a fawn can outrun a coyote. If they get the jump on em it may be different.
At some point in life its time to quit chasing the pot of gold and just enjoy the rainbow. FR Keep your gratitude higher than your expectations. RWH
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Re: Never seem this before
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09/04/24 07:43 PM
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Texas buckeye
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Plenty of opinions on fawns being killed/eaten by coyotes. To be fair, a healthy fawn is no easy meal for a coyote, lots of running, lots of time and energy spent. A sickly fawn is a different story. There are plenty of opinions that coyotes real meal is the sickly fawn, and it may be natures way of keeping the deer herd healthy.
I am not saying what you saw wasn't legit, as it probably was a coyote chasing a fawn, and not a coyote running in the same direction of a fawn. But I have seen plenty of deer coyote interactions to know that a coyote wants nothing to do with a healthy adult deer.
Now feral dogs, different story. All bets are off on feral dogs. they are domesticated just enough to make them very stupid in the wild, but they are vicious mean in the wild too, and do not seem to have the same "survival of the species" attitude coyotes have.
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Re: Never seem this before
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09/04/24 07:44 PM
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They say after about two weeks a fawn can outrun a coyote. If they get the jump on em it may be different. Outrun how though? Bet there is a little tortoise and hair going on deer seem like sprinters.
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Re: Never seem this before
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09/04/24 07:47 PM
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Last year a yote was chasing a fawn in my front pasture and her momma crashed head on into the yote. After the crash he chased momma which is what she wanted. Everyone survived until dark and I evened things up.
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Re: Never seem this before
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09/04/24 08:33 PM
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They say after about two weeks a fawn can outrun a coyote. If they get the jump on em it may be different. Outrun how though? Bet there is a little tortoise and hair going on deer seem like sprinters. Very possibly true and a good point. Just what I’ve heard. I know coyotes get a lot of fawns. I don’t know if it’s after a long run, or a slower new born or a sick one. I dont know if anyone spends enough time in the woods to know first hand. Need lots of scientific research to know much about specifics.
At some point in life its time to quit chasing the pot of gold and just enjoy the rainbow. FR Keep your gratitude higher than your expectations. RWH
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Re: Never seem this before
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09/04/24 09:05 PM
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Years ago, I was in my favorite blind, and could hear some crashing sounds from the woods behind me. Out came a doe, running hard. She ran across the 80 yard wide power line, stopped and turned to face the direction she had come from. I was expecting to see a buck, but it was a coyote. He slowed and began moving toward the doe, when I shot him. At that a small doe came out of the tall grass behind her. She was gonna fight for her fawn.
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Re: Never seem this before
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#9102577
09/04/24 09:57 PM
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I do not like yotes. Period.
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Re: Never seem this before
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09/04/24 10:46 PM
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They say after about two weeks a fawn can outrun a coyote. If they get the jump on em it may be different. Outrun how though? Bet there is a little tortoise and hair going on deer seem like sprinters. Very possibly true and a good point. Just what I’ve heard. I know coyotes get a lot of fawns. I don’t know if it’s after a long run, or a slower new born or a sick one. I dont know if anyone spends enough time in the woods to know first hand. Need lots of scientific research to know much about specifics. I saw this play out last summer like I’ve never seen it before. The drought had everything starving. A month old fawn can out maneuver a yote if it is in brushy cover. In an open field, the yote will likely catch it but then momma doe will be stomping the snot out of it. The fawn will likely be on the run again during the stomping. I got to watch these chases at least 10 or more times last year.
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Re: Never seem this before
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09/04/24 11:51 PM
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Mesh wire fences put the coyote at a big advantage.
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Re: Never seem this before
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09/05/24 02:57 AM
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Couple years back on the lease I was on. I heard what sounded like a stampede while I was in the blind. Looked up and saw the herd of sheep on the property going full speed across my hunting area. Turns out two coyotes were chasing them and pinned the sheep in the picture up against that brush pile. I shot one that is circled in the picture…. that sheep had no idea how it lived because if I hadn’t been there it was over.
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Re: Never seem this before
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09/05/24 11:39 AM
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I have read that fawns when born, weighing less than 6.5 lb.s most likely will not survive. I find that the fawn survival factor is extremely low for yearlings, thus non surviving fawns are eaten by yotes, cats and buzzards. Survival rate is low and is reproducible each year for yearlings. As does get older the survival rate increases .... a doe increases in size each year until maturity then levels out...therefore increasing the fawn survival rate. The larger a doe gets she is able to put more into the fawn and able to protect it better, thus higher survival rates. I also recommend keeping as many rabbits alive the better off we are as keeping up food for yotes and cats.
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Re: Never seem this before
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09/05/24 12:32 PM
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Coyotes are the number one predator to deer. Man is second. If you are seeing and hearing coyotes at your ranch/lease, shoot them. Coyotes mainly kill the fawns when they are born and "sick/wounded" deer. Once a fawn has survived a few weeks, its chance for survival gets a lot better.
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Re: Never seem this before
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09/05/24 12:48 PM
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Watched a golden eagle take a mule deer fawn last year, not a happy sight. It was bedded about 25 yds from the doe and had no chance.
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Re: Never seem this before
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#9102808
09/05/24 01:19 PM
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I have seen this play itself out numerous times in person and on TV shows where the mother to the baby, whether it be a deer, antelope, giraffe, zebras, etc. starts in after the predator and ends up kicking or biting or stomping on the offspring. It almost looks like it is on purpose that she is trying to kill the baby. Is this just by accident or is this some type of mode that kicks in for the mother where she is trying to save herself to perpetuate the species? Just have noticed this numerous times in many species.
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Re: Never seem this before
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#9102897
09/05/24 03:57 PM
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Watched a golden eagle take a mule deer fawn last year, not a happy sight. It was bedded about 25 yds from the doe and had no chance. I had a redtail swoop at a wt fawn I jumped in October. Fawn was probably 30-35lbs and if I hadn't scared him with the truck, the hawk was likely going to at least make contact. That's a large morsel; I can imagine what they do to a 12-15lbr. I've held a golden eagle (the Buick commercial bird), they're huge.
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