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Should TPWD buy this land next to Powderhorn WMA #9064380 06/20/24 02:25 AM
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About 2800 arces of land went up for sale next to the Powderhorn WMA for just over 10 million dollars. Should TPWD make the move and buy it?
https://www.beaumontenterprise.com/homes/article/costa-grande-ranch-texas-19512546.php

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https://kinglandwater.com/properties/costa-grande-ranch/

Re: Should TPWD buy this land next to Powderhorn WMA [Re: nhk outdoors] #9064387 06/20/24 02:33 AM
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They probably just wait unit it sells and then ED for 5 million


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Conservation easements are restrictive in ways that would more than likely prohibit the development the state would need to do to be able to utilize it for their needs. Even making a two track road could be in violation of the easement depending on how it was written.

Unlikely the state would make a play for it.


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Originally Posted by BOBO the Clown

They probably just wait unit it sells and then ED for 5 million


And then make it another state park that can’t support itself and operate it with my hunting license fees.

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tpwd is more screwed up than woke democrats. Need to clean the whole top level out.

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They are too busy trying to stop canned mountain lion hunts.


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Originally Posted by txtrophy85
Conservation easements are restrictive in ways that would more than likely prohibit the development the state would need to do to be able to utilize it for their needs. Even making a two track road could be in violation of the easement depending on how it was written.

Unlikely the state would make a play for it.


Based on the description of the CEs in the listing, I think there is sufficient freedom for the state to make it into something usable.

Seems like a good play. They're trying to spend way more money than that to replace Fairfield Lake State Park. This could be extremely cool, and because of the CEs probably isn't a play that makes any sense for most private parties.

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Originally Posted by ErnestTBass
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Conservation easements are restrictive in ways that would more than likely prohibit the development the state would need to do to be able to utilize it for their needs. Even making a two track road could be in violation of the easement depending on how it was written.

Unlikely the state would make a play for it.


Based on the description of the CEs in the listing, I think there is sufficient freedom for the state to make it into something usable.

Seems like a good play. They're trying to spend way more money than that to replace Fairfield Lake State Park. This could be extremely cool, and because of the CEs probably isn't a play that makes any sense for most private parties.


Every conservation easement is written different. No way you can gauge what is in it by that write up.

They dictate where the improvements can be built ( building envelopes) and can range from restrictive to extremely restrictive in terms of what you can do with the land. Even building a fence around the main camp can require approval from the NRCS. Pretty much everything from building a road to digging a water hole will require approval.

An end user with a conservation mind would much more a target buyer than a government entity.




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If the Fairfield incident is any indication on how they will handle situations of the sort... they’re too busy adding new unnecessary regulations to think anything like that out. Everyone knows canned mt lion hunting and not having a turkey harvest requirement was going to doom us all. They’ll wait until somebody buys it, and then try to pull the eminent domain hoopla and take it from someone for a fraction of what they just paid for it.

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They should quit screwing around and finish making Powderhorn into a usable state park first. I've been waiting for YEARS.

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I'd rather see our tax dollars going towards land for public use than some of the stupid assinine ideas the state reps come up with in spending bills.


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Yeah. We need the state spending tax dollars on more private land that they can mismanage and spend limitless future funds in maintenance and staffing. Geezus


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Another no, TPWD does a poor job managing what they have already!


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Originally Posted by therancher
Yeah. We need the state spending tax dollars on more private land that they can mismanage and spend limitless future funds in maintenance and staffing. Geezus


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Originally Posted by woodduckhunter
If the Fairfield incident is any indication on how they will handle situations of the sort... they’re too busy adding new unnecessary regulations to think anything like that out. Everyone knows canned mt lion hunting and not having a turkey harvest requirement was going to doom us all. They’ll wait until somebody buys it, and then try to pull the eminent domain hoopla and take it from someone for a fraction of what they just paid for it.



You guys may poke at them for banning canned mountain lion hunts, but all it takes is one idiot to screw a good thing up for a lot of people. See the story from Wyoming about the guy with the wolf in the bar.
https://buckrail.com/wolfs-capture-torment-puts-wyoming-on-path-toward-legal-reform/


Even outlandish and unbelievably stupid things do occur and will get posted on the internet! Better to have the law and never need to use it than not have a way to prosecute someone that would take part in a canned mountain lion hunt. For a seasoned houndsmen with access to property with lions, this would not be a difficult thing to do. In fact an outfitter was just prosecuted for violating the Lacey act in Utah for holding a lion captive for a paid hunter to come shoot.
https://www.outdoorlife.com/conservation/utah-outfitter-prison-time-canned-lion-hunts/

I don't see why a conservation easement would impact the state purchasing, there are state natural areas with minimal development and also this would be an add-on piece to the larger Powderhorn which is mostly being left as a WMA anyways from my understanding. As someone who left Texas specifically to have access to public land, I would have to advocate for the purchase.

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Originally Posted by blancobuster
Originally Posted by woodduckhunter
If the Fairfield incident is any indication on how they will handle situations of the sort... they’re too busy adding new unnecessary regulations to think anything like that out. Everyone knows canned mt lion hunting and not having a turkey harvest requirement was going to doom us all. They’ll wait until somebody buys it, and then try to pull the eminent domain hoopla and take it from someone for a fraction of what they just paid for it.



You guys may poke at them for banning canned mountain lion hunts, but all it takes is one idiot to screw a good thing up for a lot of people. See the story from Wyoming about the guy with the wolf in the bar.
https://buckrail.com/wolfs-capture-torment-puts-wyoming-on-path-toward-legal-reform/


Even outlandish and unbelievably stupid things do occur and will get posted on the internet! Better to have the law and never need to use it than not have a way to prosecute someone that would take part in a canned mountain lion hunt. For a seasoned houndsmen with access to property with lions, this would not be a difficult thing to do. In fact an outfitter was just prosecuted for violating the Lacey act in Utah for holding a lion captive for a paid hunter to come shoot.
https://www.outdoorlife.com/conservation/utah-outfitter-prison-time-canned-lion-hunts/

I don't see why a conservation easement would impact the state purchasing, there are state natural areas with minimal development and also this would be an add-on piece to the larger Powderhorn which is mostly being left as a WMA anyways from my understanding. As someone who left Texas specifically to have access to public land, I would have to advocate for the purchase.



Wade was just treeing lions then calling clients, lot of treed lions get killed, or collared next day as it may have gotten to dark to quick and people pulled out and came back in early next morning, to find dogs

I wouldn’t call what Wade did canned, illegal or grey area for most western states yes by letter of the law but not anywhere close to being canned,

Also why we should be 100% against any lion regulations because they ultimately want hounds banned in TX.

Wolf thing only made news because it was a wolf, been a yote no one would have cared, with that said he should have killed and tagged it and been done with the spawn of hell

Regardless neither of these example are canned. If they are then there are a bunch of bears being dumped by Colorado Fish and Game in to a couple WMA’s.


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Originally Posted by BOBO the Clown
Originally Posted by blancobuster
Originally Posted by woodduckhunter
If the Fairfield incident is any indication on how they will handle situations of the sort... they’re too busy adding new unnecessary regulations to think anything like that out. Everyone knows canned mt lion hunting and not having a turkey harvest requirement was going to doom us all. They’ll wait until somebody buys it, and then try to pull the eminent domain hoopla and take it from someone for a fraction of what they just paid for it.



You guys may poke at them for banning canned mountain lion hunts, but all it takes is one idiot to screw a good thing up for a lot of people. See the story from Wyoming about the guy with the wolf in the bar.
https://buckrail.com/wolfs-capture-torment-puts-wyoming-on-path-toward-legal-reform/


Even outlandish and unbelievably stupid things do occur and will get posted on the internet! Better to have the law and never need to use it than not have a way to prosecute someone that would take part in a canned mountain lion hunt. For a seasoned houndsmen with access to property with lions, this would not be a difficult thing to do. In fact an outfitter was just prosecuted for violating the Lacey act in Utah for holding a lion captive for a paid hunter to come shoot.
https://www.outdoorlife.com/conservation/utah-outfitter-prison-time-canned-lion-hunts/

I don't see why a conservation easement would impact the state purchasing, there are state natural areas with minimal development and also this would be an add-on piece to the larger Powderhorn which is mostly being left as a WMA anyways from my understanding. As someone who left Texas specifically to have access to public land, I would have to advocate for the purchase.



Wade was just treeing lions then calling clients, lot of treed lions get killed, or collared next day as it may have gotten to dark to quick and people pulled out and came back in early next morning, to find dogs

I wouldn’t call what Wade did canned, illegal or grey area for most western states yes by letter of the law but not anywhere close to being canned,

Also why we should be 100% against any lion regulations because they ultimately want hounds banned in TX.

Wolf thing only made news because it was a wolf, been a yote no one would have cared, with that said he should have killed and tagged it and been done with the spawn of hell

Regardless neither of these example are canned. If they are then there are a bunch of bears being dumped by Colorado Fish and Game in to a couple WMA’s.


I did not say either instance was canned but as you state they are gray areas. Seems like the lion hunting deal in Texas just made it a more black and white.

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Their intent in Texas is to highly limit if not stop all lion harvest in TX. Period

I didn’t say you did, just clarifying for people that aren’t familiar with hound hunting, as the title of articles are deceptive


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Originally Posted by blancobuster




I don't see why a conservation easement would impact the state purchasing, there are state natural areas with minimal development and also this would be an add-on piece to the larger Powderhorn which is mostly being left as a WMA anyways from my understanding. As someone who left Texas specifically to have access to public land, I would have to advocate for the purchase.


Have you ever read thru a conservation easement?


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Originally Posted by BOBO the Clown
Their intent in Texas is to highly limit if not stop all lion harvest in TX. Period

I didn’t say you did, just clarifying for people that aren’t familiar with hound hunting, as the title of articles are deceptive




I really want to know how many lions are killed in the state each year?

Texas is not the Rocky Mountains, we don’t have the cat population nor the demand they do for lion hunting on any scale.

Banning the hunting/taking of them here would accomplish absolutely zero.


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Originally Posted by BOBO the Clown
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Yeah. We need the state spending tax dollars on more private land that they can mismanage and spend limitless future funds in maintenance and staffing. Geezus


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If you left texas for that reason, a lot has happened since you’ve been gone. You don’t want to come back. They can’t raise enough money to buy enough land to provide ample public opportunity that you are referring to. If they can, make sure you don’t own or participate in what’s being taxed to do it.

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Originally Posted by BOBO the Clown

They probably just wait unit it sells and then ED for 5 million

Sounds about just backwards.


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Originally Posted by txtrophy85
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Their intent in Texas is to highly limit if not stop all lion harvest in TX. Period

I didn’t say you did, just clarifying for people that aren’t familiar with hound hunting, as the title of articles are deceptive




I really want to know how many lions are killed in the state each year?

Texas is not the Rocky Mountains, we don’t have the cat population nor the demand they do for lion hunting on any scale.

Banning the hunting/taking of them here would accomplish absolutely zero.



I think we have more lions then we think, Most ranchers east of 35 are to small to run dogs, Really most ranches in Texas period are to small to run dogs

A few years back ranch manager of Callahan told me they took +- 2 year off them. he said they normally waited for unit they thought they had 2-3 staying on ranch then would run dogs. I know I saw one in laredo. stx36 missed one on same ranch




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They probably just wait unit it sells and then ED for 5 million

Sounds about just backwards.


Not really, be a steal for them


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