I know I want a thermal monocular but I'm not sure what optic I want on the rifle. Night vision scope or thermal scope? Would like to hear opinions or what y'all use! I'm in the Hill Country and lots of thick brush.

Any conversation on thermal starts with a budget. What’s your pain threshold?

$2500-$3000 for thermal scope and sub $1000 for monocular. I see some Thermals for cheaper that are 384 resolution so I could go with something cheaper than $2500. I know for sure I want a thermal monocular just to see what is all out there. Seems that plenty of people use night vision after spotting with a thermal. Just trying to get some actual real world use advice. If I could be just fine with a night vision scope, that won't bother me none. But IR light apparently isn't the best with thick brush and short shooting distances???

I just use a quality thermal scope with LRF and quality quick release mount so I can scan with it. Rifle stays in a tripod with Reaper Rest. Been doing this for years without issue

See if you can find a used Pulsar.

Thats all I use nowadays.

Stay away from ATN.

Definitely thermal for scanning, cheap ATN would work but resolution for ID is lacking for small animals. 384 IR you can see a rabbit @ 100 yds. I got an amadilllo @ 50 with the 384, didn't ID before the shot. Your hunting area would determine IR or NV for the gun. Wide open field, NV probably OK. My area is 250x75 with feeder at one end - surrounded by brush and trees. Hardly have time to switch from scanner to rifle unless the hogs are stationary at the feeder. Look at all the vids of night hog hunting you can find, relate to how you can hunt. What ever you decide, make sure it is sighted for max distance - no time to change settings. My first experience was 384 on 10" BO pistol (super Vmax loads). 4-5 hogs at feeder 50yds. 7 shots, no hits and they just looked in my direction before slowly walking into the woods. Talk about me being ticked off( I'm not a bad shot)!! The feeder has an overhead green light, turns on at dusk. Noticed I can see movement in the open away from the light (no moon) but would never try to ID or shoot. Surprised me but brings up another problem. You get night blind in the eye using the scanner/scope. I'm old, my eye recovery isn't very fast so I close that eye and recovery is quicker. Just some hints from another beginner.

I am quoting somebody else for this, but I really like the saying. When it comes to night hunting, digital night vision is for the more casual hunters. Thermal is for the guys who are getting serious. What does that mean? Digital NV has a lot more issues than hunting with thermal, even 384 resolution. I am not a big proponent of 256k thermal. It can work, but can also be a struggle.

The issue with digital night vision and sometimes with even Gen III stuff is that you will need an IR illuminator and that will have issues with reflectivity, aka IR bloom, aka photonic barriers....basically light (reflected or otherwise) that whites out your scope. This makes hunting in the woods or in brushy areas much more difficult. It works best for wide open, low brush fields, feeders out in the open, senderos, etc.

For $3k for a rifle scope, you can get a variety of 384 scopes. Right now I am testing the Rix Storm S3 that retails for $1800 and that would give you 2000 for a spotter or $600-800 for a DNV sight and $1200-1400 for a thermal spotter. I am not saying that a Storm S3 is the scope for you, but am using it as an example of an inexpensive 384 resolution thermal sight that would do well in your budget. I work for Rix and so I am going to tell you about their stuff, but I also am a hunter and know that everyone has different likes and dislikes.

Based on what you described, I think my idealish setup might be something like a Storm S3 for $1800 and an AGM Taipan 25-384 for $1600 and the rest can go for taxes and ammo. You could do very well with this sort of combination for your budget.

I am using a Rix Pocket K2 spotter that is only $500 and 256 resolution. At 100 yards, some small animals (skunks, rabbits, armadillos) can literally disappear and reappear between the pixels. You can spot things, but often you won't know what they are, or you can only guess because the resolution just isn't there. I would strive to get something with at least 320/384 resolution unless you are just hunting 100 yards and less. Otherwise, every time you see a thermal signature in the distance, you will have to raise up your rifle to identify it. That can get bothersome. I much prefer not waving my rifle around every time I need to identify something. However, I hunted a few years with fair low resolution digital night vision and a 320 resolution 9 (NINE!) Hz little FLIR where the pair did me well, but both aspects were problematic. You can make it work.

If you just have a feeder set up at 75-100 yards or are just killing critters around the house/barnyard and want the cheapest functional setup, get a $500 or 600 digital night vision scope and maybe an inexpensive thermal.

I have one of these agms in 25/384 and just bought this one in 640/512 also have a thermion xp50.

good value for the money (like all thermal they ain't cheap for the decent ones), runs on 2 123 but also can use external packs (I use a 20,000 mah). excellent clarity, easy to zero and works great on sbr's which is what mine is on.

https://www.scheels.com/p/agm-rattl...9.html?cgid=thermal-rifle-scopes#start=4

with either the agm or thermion you can use the app as a scanner, just swing the rifle thru what you want to see and it is on your phone, best in the blind.

the 384 I have is good and works great on my short range setup (woods/walk hunt). midway and scheels both have the 640 for the same price, scheels shipping was a lot faster.

I would rather have a new thermal ATN with a warranty than a used thermal. I haven't had many problems with the 3 ATN's I have owned. I sold an Armasight to a guy and he called and said it stopped working after a few months and it was not under warranty. I have a Pulsar Thermion, a Flir Scout II & III and I own a thermal drone and I haven't noticed many problems with any of them. I think it's personal preference and what you can afford. Avoiding the ATN is like avoiding walmart. A lot of people talk smack about them but they provide a great product for the price. I currently own the 1280 Thor 5 and it was about 1/3 of the price of the infiray.

Friends don't let friends buy ATN.

Couple things. If you’re hunting from a blind, here is my set-up. In the beginning, I used an Apex thermal on the gun and a night vision camera/950nm illuminator and a 7” lcd monitor for a spotter. I scanned with the camera then once pigs were located I would shoot with the thermal. Once I started using suppressed airguns I couldn’t get the accuracy from the thermal I needed so I did a switcher-roo. Now I have a Sightmark Wraith on the gun and use the Apex as a spotter. Shooting sub-sonic .308 143gr hollowpoints, I can often get 2 or 3 shots off from 100 yards before they bolt.

Good on you!

I LOVE shooting them with air rifles. I need to get a bigger one, but I'm using a 25 cal avenger + Sumo with JSB hades. I do night time spot and stalk and try to get within 30yds then shoot off sticks. last one was at ~18yds.

I've shot 2 so far with the 25 and it flips the off switch as good as anything.