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HomeOwner Insurance - School me you experts #8918573 09/17/23 10:04 AM
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For Example house value 1 million, per tax role land value is 300K of that.

Do you only insure house for $700K?

Cuz you in my opinion land can't burn down like a house could?

Or should you insure the full 1 million?

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You ain't considering anything on point and are on the wrong bunny trail. If written on a replacement cost form, a home should be insured for what it takes to, ahem, actually replace it. That dpoesn't have anythign to do with what it is worth, the value of the land nor anything to do with what you would like to rebuild if different from what you have. Plain & simple, you are insuring the house and it needs to be insured for that amount it would require to rebuild it in the unfortunate, albeit unlikely, event of a total loss.

The burnable value of the home is what is important here. The cost of land, concrete flat work, fencing, landscaping & such need not be considered. Other structures such as detached garages, work shops, pool cabanaes, casitas, barns, stables & such need to be separately accounted for if appropriate coverage is so desired.

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Hud, what are you seeing for an average cost range per square foot to rebuild these days? I remember years ago when you could build a pretty nice place for $100/sq ft but I'm guessing that it's closer to double that now? Of course it varies greatly depending upon a whole lot of variables!


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I figure most people are way underinsured with the increased cost to build a new house in the past few years. Case in point........ I had a friend who built a new home in 2018 and it burned down (total loss) in late 2020. I told my wife he probably didn`t have enough insurance coverage since things were crazy at the time. I happened to be correct, and he had to use a lot of his contents money to be able to rebuild. I guess it`s all about the homeowner accepting some of the risk if they don`t raise the amount of the coverage. I`m about to renew mine next month and I will have to decide to raise my coverage or not, because I know I`m underinsured. I built new in 2017 for about 110 dollars psf and it would easily cost close to 200 now and then you have the cost to remove the debris from the burned down home.

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My only suggestion is to review what the policy includes for contents and any outside structures. The insurance companies like to apply maximum percentage coverages of the home value to these. For example, I have a $1200 storage shed on my property they had insured for $32K. I have no doubts it would cost me no more than $3K to replace the shed and everything I have stored in it.

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Originally Posted by Texas Dan
My only suggestion is to review what the policy includes for contents and any outside structures. The insurance companies like to apply maximum percentage coverages of the home value to these. For example, I have a $1200 storage shed on my property they had insured for $32K. I have no doubts it would cost me no more than $3K to replace the shed and everything I have stored in it.


Most every home insurance policy provides a minimim of 10% of the dwelling limit to apply to other non-commercial/non-farm structures on the premises - coud be a detached garage, mailbox, pool cabana, guest house, smoke house, storage, shop and/or whatever as long as it services the house. You can typically add to this 10%, but not reduce or otherwise delete it.

Home policies are intended to provide coverage to a broad array of insureds who have different needs and exposures. Several items need specific attention. There are limits on theft of jewelry and cash. In addition, fine arts, antiques, collectibles and other hard to replace items are difficult to insure unless specifically described on a schedule. Farm implements, tack, trailers and other equipment of this type may also require listing.

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What I have found out is most companies will start you with great rates to get you to buy and then stick it to you at renewal time.

Yes, Texas has so much weather-related damage which will have to be shared by everyone with increased premiums. THIS YEAR was especially BAD.

Best advice is use someone you know personally.


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Originally Posted by Buzzsaw
What I have found out is most companies will start you with great rates to get you to buy and then stick it to you at renewal time.

Yes, Texas has so much weather-related damage which will have to be shared by everyone with increased premiums. THIS YEAR was especially BAD.

Best advice is use someone you know personally.


I have been with same agent and same Home Owners/Auto Insurance since 1987

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Originally Posted by Hudbone
You ain't considering anything on point and are on the wrong bunny trail. If written on a replacement cost form, a home should be insured for what it takes to, ahem, actually replace it. That dpoesn't have anythign to do with what it is worth, the value of the land nor anything to do with what you would like to rebuild if different from what you have. Plain & simple, you are insuring the house and it needs to be insured for that amount it would require to rebuild it in the unfortunate, albeit unlikely, event of a total loss.



So if the house is really worth 1.3 million, I need to get a Real Estate Agent involved to let me know the true value of the market in my area.

So if houses are selling at 1.3 million in my area, I need to figure out how much it would take to rebuild the land

Is what I am gathering from your reply

Or will my insurance agent do comps for the area? I do have lots of contacts in my subdivision and I do have a personal friend whom is a realtor I can get comps from

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Originally Posted by RedRanger
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You ain't considering anything on point and are on the wrong bunny trail. If written on a replacement cost form, a home should be insured for what it takes to, ahem, actually replace it. That dpoesn't have anythign to do with what it is worth, the value of the land nor anything to do with what you would like to rebuild if different from what you have. Plain & simple, you are insuring the house and it needs to be insured for that amount it would require to rebuild it in the unfortunate, albeit unlikely, event of a total loss.



So if the house is really worth 1.3 million, I need to get a Real Estate Agent involved to let me know the true value of the market in my area.

So if houses are selling at 1.3 million in my area, I need to figure out how much it would take to rebuild the land

Is what I am gathering from your reply

Or will my insurance agent do comps for the area? I do have lots of contacts in my subdivision and I do have a personal friend whom is a realtor I can get comps from


A realtor will know what a home in your area is selling for, not what it will cost to rebuild. What you would need is an independent appraiser.

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Maybe a contractor building similar homes. Avoid paying for an independent appraiser.

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Originally Posted by Hudbone
Maybe a contractor building similar homes. Avoid paying for an independent appraiser.



This is very bad advise and I did not expect it to come from you.


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If the insurance company offers guaranteed replacement cost, their replacement cost estimator is probably pretty accurate, they usually have tiers of economy, standard, custom, and luxury. as long as you choose the right level they're pretty accurate. Upgraded kitchens and baths can be problematic. If you have a luxury kitchen in a custom home you may need to do an adjustment.


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Originally Posted by LoneStarSon
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You ain't considering anything on point and are on the wrong bunny trail. If written on a replacement cost form, a home should be insured for what it takes to, ahem, actually replace it. That dpoesn't have anythign to do with what it is worth, the value of the land nor anything to do with what you would like to rebuild if different from what you have. Plain & simple, you are insuring the house and it needs to be insured for that amount it would require to rebuild it in the unfortunate, albeit unlikely, event of a total loss.



So if the house is really worth 1.3 million, I need to get a Real Estate Agent involved to let me know the true value of the market in my area.

So if houses are selling at 1.3 million in my area, I need to figure out how much it would take to rebuild the land

Is what I am gathering from your reply

Or will my insurance agent do comps for the area? I do have lots of contacts in my subdivision and I do have a personal friend whom is a realtor I can get comps from


A realtor will know what a home in your area is selling for, not what it will cost to rebuild. What you would need is an independent appraiser.


I have rebuilt many a homes in my past, I have a fairly rough cost of how much it would cost, I just need a realtor in my subdivision/area to give me the true going price of a house, I suspect about 35% over tax role value

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Originally Posted by nsmike
If the insurance company offers guaranteed replacement cost, their replacement cost estimator is probably pretty accurate, they usually have tiers of economy, standard, custom, and luxury. as long as you choose the right level they're pretty accurate. Upgraded kitchens and baths can be problematic. If you have a luxury kitchen in a custom home you may need to do an adjustment.


From what I have seen the insurance company go off tax role.

I used to keep pretty low insurance on the house due to land value being so high, but the last few years house cost has risen alot.

I want to have it insured with a figure I am happy with not with what the insurance suggest, to me it's a tad low what they have it valued at now.

Hell I even toyed with the plan of not having HomeOwners insurance and see if there was some other type of insurance to covers assets.

But for the low cost they want relative to the cost of building a house, it's kinda of a no brainer not to have insurance, I just want to make sure if my house burned down I would get enough money to build back much better or move to a new home.

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Originally Posted by Bee'z
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Maybe a contractor building similar homes. Avoid paying for an independent appraiser.



This is very bad advise and I did not expect it to come from you.


What is the intrinsic value of hiring an independent appraiser?


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Maybe a contractor building similar homes. Avoid paying for an independent appraiser.



This is very bad advise and I did not expect it to come from you.


What is the intrinsic value of hiring an independent appraiser?


In this day's time where collection of infomation seems to be paramount, insurance companies have used it to their detriment. You'll see "good hands" agents sending out letters offering an insurance lmit taken from the local appraisal district. That there is a loser's limp and, belief mine, to the detriment of their prospects. I had one come to me with an offer of coverage at $450,000 when my rebuild cost was actually closer to $850,000 and that was several years ago. Appraisal district's attempt to determine what a property is worth based on very broad infomation like your square footage based on averages. If your house is "average", all may be fine.

Values listed by appraisal districts and values determined by real estate appraisers seldom are spot on in regards to pinpointing accurate replacement cost figures. Most everyone is using some sort of replacement cost calulator (MSB for one) and, belief mine, they have not been "keeping up" and/or the agent using them is not fuly utilizing the program sufficiently to obtain correct replacement cost numbers. I am fairly well connected with the local builders and do know who to trust. Obtaining information from them helps me and certainly is not used to disadvantage the people I work for.

Pro tip - if you purchased a tract home in a subdivision dominated or soley built by one builder, you may really need to look at insuring the place for more than you paid for it. Economies of scale come in to play and if there is a total loss, they ain't coming back for a one shot deal. Not when their system is designed to buld 8-10 at a time.

Although he keeps muddling issues with the value of his lot, it sounds like RR is actually being sensible here. My guess is he knows he is and has been under-insured and now whants to "lock in" his equity.

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Originally Posted by Hudbone
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My only suggestion is to review what the policy includes for contents and any outside structures. The insurance companies like to apply maximum percentage coverages of the home value to these. For example, I have a $1200 storage shed on my property they had insured for $32K. I have no doubts it would cost me no more than $3K to replace the shed and everything I have stored in it.


Most every home insurance policy provides a minimim of 10% of the dwelling limit to apply to other non-commercial/non-farm structures on the premises - coud be a detached garage, mailbox, pool cabana, guest house, smoke house, storage, shop and/or whatever as long as it services the house. You can typically add to this 10%, but not reduce or otherwise delete it.

Home policies are intended to provide coverage to a broad array of insureds who have different needs and exposures. Several items need specific attention. There are limits on theft of jewelry and cash. In addition, fine arts, antiques, collectibles and other hard to replace items are difficult to insure unless specifically described on a schedule. Farm implements, tack, trailers and other equipment of this type may also require listing.



I would listen to Hudbone - he does this for a living


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I found that 'Good Hands' people, would quote at economy replacement cost, even if you have a luxury home. I've been out of the business a while, but with what Hudbone said, they haven't changed.


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Originally Posted by Hudbone
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Maybe a contractor building similar homes. Avoid paying for an independent appraiser.



This is very bad advise and I did not expect it to come from you.


What is the intrinsic value of hiring an independent appraiser?


In this day's time where collection of infomation seems to be paramount, insurance companies have used it to their detriment. You'll see "good hands" agents sending out letters offering an insurance lmit taken from the local appraisal district. That there is a loser's limp and, belief mine, to the detriment of their prospects. I had one come to me with an offer of coverage at $450,000 when my rebuild cost was actually closer to $850,000 and that was several years ago. Appraisal district's attempt to determine what a property is worth based on very broad infomation like your square footage based on averages. If your house is "average", all may be fine.

Values listed by appraisal districts and values determined by real estate appraisers seldom are spot on in regards to pinpointing accurate replacement cost figures. Most everyone is using some sort of replacement cost calulator (MSB for one) and, belief mine, they have not been "keeping up" and/or the agent using them is not fuly utilizing the program sufficiently to obtain correct replacement cost numbers. I am fairly well connected with the local builders and do know who to trust. Obtaining information from them helps me and certainly is not used to disadvantage the people I work for.

Pro tip - if you purchased a tract home in a subdivision dominated or soley built by one builder, you may really need to look at insuring the place for more than you paid for it. Economies of scale come in to play and if there is a total loss, they ain't coming back for a one shot deal. Not when their system is designed to buld 8-10 at a time.

Although he keeps muddling issues with the value of his lot, it sounds like RR is actually being sensible here. My guess is he knows he is and has been under-insured and now whants to "lock in" his equity.


Thank you for delivering a coherent, lucid, and intelligent response that includes valuable information and facts for THFers.


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Originally Posted by nsmike
I found that 'Good Hands' people, would quote at economy replacement cost, even if you have a luxury home. I've been out of the business a while, but with what Hudbone said, they haven't changed.


Allstate blows, they have become one of the worst insurance companies out there to deal with.

I used to deal with about 10 HomeOwner claims per month

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I did not read all the replies so not sure if anyone mentioned it but you need to consider demolition costs in the replacement value.


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