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Re: 7mm/08 [Re: Dave Scott] #8858066 05/26/23 01:07 AM
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It’s been said enough but I am a fan for sure. I’ve owned one, and I’ve owned many, but I haven’t been without one for years.


The BTs and the SSTs are perfect for hunting whitetail. The 162 class bullet is perfect for long range, and many 140 class well constructed bullets good for heavier game. I hate to say it’s a catch all one size fits all but in my eyes it is.

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You shut yo mouf! We don't need any Gaymoor love interjected into the men talking here.


you must be shooting itty bitty bullets in 7mm caliber….


I’ve shot about all the weight classes…that Fallow you caped for me and asked WTH did you shoot this thing with…120 BT wink

I’m down to 1 7-08 right now, I’m busy playing with 22/6/6.5’s as of late.


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You shut yo mouf! We don't need any Gaymoor love interjected into the men talking here.


you must be shooting itty bitty bullets in 7mm caliber….


I’ve shot about all the weight classes…that Fallow you caped for me and asked WTH did you shoot this thing with…120 BT wink

I’m down to 1 7-08 right now, I’m busy playing with 22/6/6.5’s as of late.


itty bitty bullets for .28 might as well use 115 in a .257


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You shut yo mouf! We don't need any Gaymoor love interjected into the men talking here.


you must be shooting itty bitty bullets in 7mm caliber….


I’ve shot about all the weight classes…that Fallow you caped for me and asked WTH did you shoot this thing with…120 BT wink

I’m down to 1 7-08 right now, I’m busy playing with 22/6/6.5’s as of late.


itty bitty bullets for .28 might as well use 115 in a .257


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Originally Posted by Judd
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You shut yo mouf! We don't need any Gaymoor love interjected into the men talking here.


you must be shooting itty bitty bullets in 7mm caliber….


I’ve shot about all the weight classes…that Fallow you caped for me and asked WTH did you shoot this thing with…120 BT wink

I’m down to 1 7-08 right now, I’m busy playing with 22/6/6.5’s as of late.



There's no way a 120 BT actually killed a deer. He musta been faking it.

Deer have fooled lots of hunters using that bullet.

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You shut yo mouf! We don't need any Gaymoor love interjected into the men talking here.


you must be shooting itty bitty bullets in 7mm caliber….


I’ve shot about all the weight classes…that Fallow you caped for me and asked WTH did you shoot this thing with…120 BT wink

I’m down to 1 7-08 right now, I’m busy playing with 22/6/6.5’s as of late.



There's no way a 120 BT actually killed a deer. He musta been faking it.

Deer have fooled lots of hunters using that bullet.

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I cant wait until he builds a 300 PRC so he can shoot 140gr bullets


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Stay tuned...how's about a 30 Nosler shooting a 190 eek2

FWIW (and facts don't matter) I wouldn't shoot the light(er) bullets if I wasn't cutting the barrels down short so they are handier to hunt with. That's the compromise, cut them off and lighten them up...it works and it works well, for the non-believers. Take this for what you paid...magic happens around 3k fps and most folks don't even know. wink


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I briefly had a Ruger American in 7-08, it seemed to prefer the lighter factory loads over the 140s. I killed 7-8 deer with it, and the 120 gr Fed Fusion hammered them from 25 yds to 225. Huge blood trails on rib shots and they didn't go far if they went at all.

If Tikka made a CTR in 7-08 I'd fight you to get to buy it. If I stumble across a good deal on one I can re-barrel, it will be a done deal for my next rifle.


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Stay tuned...how's about a 30 Nosler shooting a 190 eek2

FWIW (and facts don't matter) I wouldn't shoot the light(er) bullets if I wasn't cutting the barrels down short so they are handier to hunt with. That's the compromise, cut them off and lighten them up...it works and it works well, for the non-believers. Take this for what you paid...magic happens around 3k fps and most folks don't even know. wink


Im not even using hooks today and getting hits!!!

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on serious note i bet that 210ABLR is nasty medicine


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Okay so the 7mm/08 is a great round. How is the accuracy compared to other rounds, what groups at say 200 yards?

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Originally Posted by Dave Scott
Okay so the 7mm/08 is a great round. How is the accuracy compared to other rounds, what groups at say 200 yards?



That’s more tied to the rifle you chose to shoot it in. Many factory rifle will give 1 moa with factory ammo. Roughly 2” groups at 200 yards. Reloading improves that. Custom or semi custom can take that down to 1/2” groups at 200 yards. These are results that I have personally seen with rifles I own or owned.

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Originally Posted by BOBO the Clown
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Stay tuned...how's about a 30 Nosler shooting a 190 eek2

FWIW (and facts don't matter) I wouldn't shoot the light(er) bullets if I wasn't cutting the barrels down short so they are handier to hunt with. That's the compromise, cut them off and lighten them up...it works and it works well, for the non-believers. Take this for what you paid...magic happens around 3k fps and most folks don't even know. wink


Im not even using hooks today and getting hits!!!

roflmao


on serious note i bet that 210ABLR is nasty medicine


I know you don't tune but that's a bullet you'll likely see me never use...I've read to many tuning nightmares and with the way Nosler is acting on bullets, they can keep them. It's like they act like they are the only game in town. The last 140 7mm accubonds I saw were over a dollar a bullet bang


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Stay tuned...how's about a 30 Nosler shooting a 190 eek2

FWIW (and facts don't matter) I wouldn't shoot the light(er) bullets if I wasn't cutting the barrels down short so they are handier to hunt with. That's the compromise, cut them off and lighten them up...it works and it works well, for the non-believers. Take this for what you paid...magic happens around 3k fps and most folks don't even know. wink


Im not even using hooks today and getting hits!!!

roflmao


on serious note i bet that 210ABLR is nasty medicine


I know you don't tune but that's a bullet you'll likely see me never use...I've read to many tuning nightmares and with the way Nosler is acting on bullets, they can keep them. It's like they act like they are the only game in town. The last 140 7mm accubonds I saw were over a dollar a bullet bang



i had good luck with the the 129 in a .26.

what point of 300 anything and not shooting 200 plus grain bullets.


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Okay so the 7mm/08 is a great round. How is the accuracy compared to other rounds, what groups at say 200 yards?



That’s more tied to the rifle you chose to shoot it in. Many factory rifle will give 1 moa with factory ammo. Roughly 2” groups at 200 yards. Reloading improves that. Custom or semi custom can take that down to 1/2” groups at 200 yards. These are results that I have personally seen with rifles I own or owned.


7mm-08, I have made sub 1" at 200 yards with Tikkas.

And custom rifles, I've made 1/2" or better at 200 yards.

Many, many times the cartridge is not the fault on how poorly something shoots. It is the rifle and the ammo at fault.

Hell, I made a 7.62X39 shoot well under MOA at 200 yards, just to see if I could. The cartridge had a bad rep, and I never believed it was the cartridge at fault. And it isn't, it is the sloppy rifles (you can't hardly break) that are to blame.


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I see a lot of praises being laid on the 708 already, I'll pile onto that.

I've been hunting with one for a couple of decades now. I also have experience with 3006, 280ai, 2506, 6.8spc, and a few others. While they are all effective, I haven't seen another caliber that's notably better than the 708, and vice-versa. What I do like about the 708 are the same things everyone else likes. Short action, very effective round with little recoil and inherently accurate. Very easy to load for as well.

Actually, I own two of them now. One Remington VLS 26" barrel w/brake that is my heavier gun, and my daughter (ok, sometimes me too) hunts with a Ruger American Predator in 708. She started using it at 13yrs old and has never once complained about recoil after stepping up from her 6.8spc. In the Remington I've run the spectrum of bullets thru it from 100gr Sierra HP's for varmint, up to 150gr bullets and everything in between. For me, the sweet spot seems to be 140gr projectiles for medium game, I specifically like the Sierra Gameking. It just seems to work well at the velocities the 708 produces. Almost always a pass-thru with a nice wound channel. Usually either DRT or they drop within 50yds or so.

I've tried lighter bullets (120's and 130's) and the ratio of pass-thru's tends to suffer a bit, more recovered bullets. And while that's not a bad thing when the deer drop pretty quickly, if they run at all I want them leaking from two holes. I've used 140gr Accubonds and while all deer shot were recovered pretty easily I can't remember one the was drt, and most made it farther than with a 140gr GK. Wound channels just not quite as prominent. I think the AB just needs a bit more velocity, as an example my 280ai drops more of them in their tracks with the AB's (then there's the cost difference). Due to availability issues I changed to 145gr Speer Hot Core bullets last year and two deer shot with no discernible difference from the 140gr GK's.

I know the same can be truthfully said about a dozen or more cartridges, but for medium game I think the 708 is hard to beat. It has the capability to go down to 100gr bullets, and up into the 160'ish range practically. That's a pretty big range of application when you start comparing it to some of it's competitors.


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Many, many times the cartridge is not the fault on how poorly something shoots. It is the rifle and the ammo at fault.

Hell, I made a 7.62X39 shoot well under MOA at 200 yards, just to see if I could. The cartridge had a bad rep, and I never believed it was the cartridge at fault. And it isn't, it is the sloppy rifles (you can't hardly break) that are to blame.

Many factors affect accuracy, possibly the least of which is the cartridge itself. Sure some are inherently accurate but it usually aint the round that is the issue. Quality of the rifle and ammo are certainly number one but I think overlooked is the loose nut behind the trigger. I've got a lifelong friend that built a 6.8SPC and couldn't get it to shoot for crap. He blames the round even though he's seen me shoot mine sub MOA repeatedly, for the last 15 years or so. This great tool we have for quickly sharing info, the internet, spreads bad info just as great. If my buddy goes online and says the 6.8 is crap, many won't know better and believe it. He replaced the 6.8 with a 7.62x39 and can now, "cover up 10 shots with a dime". If you have quality parts and take the time to work out the bugs and find the sweet spot, almost every cartridge is accurate. It's the Indian not the arrow, which tickles me as much as a shooter spending $5k on a custom build and not practicing just to be outshot by someone with a $500 budget rifle.

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Originally Posted by garyrapp55
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Many, many times the cartridge is not the fault on how poorly something shoots. It is the rifle and the ammo at fault.

Hell, I made a 7.62X39 shoot well under MOA at 200 yards, just to see if I could. The cartridge had a bad rep, and I never believed it was the cartridge at fault. And it isn't, it is the sloppy rifles (you can't hardly break) that are to blame.

Many factors affect accuracy, possibly the least of which is the cartridge itself. Sure some are inherently accurate but it usually aint the round that is the issue. Quality of the rifle and ammo are certainly number one but I think overlooked is the loose nut behind the trigger. I've got a lifelong friend that built a 6.8SPC and couldn't get it to shoot for crap. He blames the round even though he's seen me shoot mine sub MOA repeatedly, for the last 15 years or so. This great tool we have for quickly sharing info, the internet, spreads bad info just as great. If my buddy goes online and says the 6.8 is crap, many won't know better and believe it. He replaced the 6.8 with a 7.62x39 and can now, "cover up 10 shots with a dime". If you have quality parts and take the time to work out the bugs and find the sweet spot, almost every cartridge is accurate. It's the Indian not the arrow, which tickles me as much as a shooter spending $5k on a custom build and not practicing just to be outshot by someone with a $500 budget rifle.



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Okay so the 7mm/08 is a great round. How is the accuracy compared to other rounds, what groups at say 200 yards?



That’s more tied to the rifle you chose to shoot it in. Many factory rifle will give 1 moa with factory ammo. Roughly 2” groups at 200 yards. Reloading improves that. Custom or semi custom can take that down to 1/2” groups at 200 yards. These are results that I have personally seen with rifles I own or owned.


7mm-08, I have made sub 1" at 200 yards with Tikkas.

And custom rifles, I've made 1/2" or better at 200 yards.

Many, many times the cartridge is not the fault on how poorly something shoots. It is the rifle and the ammo at fault.

Hell, I made a 7.62X39 shoot well under MOA at 200 yards, just to see if I could. The cartridge had a bad rep, and I never believed it was the cartridge at fault. And it isn't, it is the sloppy rifles (you can't hardly break) that are to blame.



Yep. The cartridge case itself (or at least the design of it) is pretty far down the list of things that cause poor accuracy. I know of at least one guy who's been playing with the .30-30 cartridge in the benchrest game. I haven't heard that he's actually used it in competition, but he reports that it shoots remarkably well.


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I really appreciate the help. This pal of mine hunts more than I do and has shot a ton of game and recently started using the 7mm/08 and really liked it. I have to admit, a mild recoil is OKAY. I shoot 338 Win Mag (not too bad) and a 454 Casull Ruger Blackhawk so I have hard recoil firearms but I'm wondering if I have strayed too far in that direction. The cost to shoot is also a lot higher.
Along the same lines I am tending to look more toward 26" barrels. When I was young I hunted on foot but now it is tree stands, why not have a heavier rifle with a longer barrel?

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My 7mm 08 and 270 win are both 26 inch varmint contour barrels. They make more velocity from my experience and the weight reduces recoil. I don’t mind it at all for stand hunting.


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Originally Posted by Dave Scott
I really appreciate the help. This pal of mine hunts more than I do and has shot a ton of game and recently started using the 7mm/08 and really liked it. I have to admit, a mild recoil is OKAY. I shoot 338 Win Mag (not too bad) and a 454 Casull Ruger Blackhawk so I have hard recoil firearms but I'm wondering if I have strayed too far in that direction. The cost to shoot is also a lot higher.
Along the same lines I am tending to look more toward 26" barrels. When I was young I hunted on foot but now it is tree stands, why not have a heavier rifle with a longer barrel?


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I went the opposite direction. Had magnumitus for many years, the older I got the more I liked reduced recoil My 24" McWhorter 7-08 wore a break.....hated the freaking thing but it shot so good I left it alone. Couple years ago I chopped it to 18", suppressed it, and I still wouldn't hesitate shooting 2720fps 140 AB's at elk sized game. It a dream to shoot, love it now more than ever.

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I have a model 70 in 7-08 that my oldest boy claims. I have a Ruger compact American that my youngest shoots. Both do well with the same load and 120 NBT. They kill deer almost as dead as a 6.5 Creedmore. The youngest has killed at least 50 animals with the compact and 120 NBT and has yet to miss one with it. That rifle fits the little man perfectly. I shot a pair of coyotes with it last week. The stock is short and the gun is light but it has very little recoil.

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This is a posting by Steve Timm from another forum on the effects of 120 NBT on elk size animals. Granted the bullet wasn't fired from a 7-08 but from a
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Welcome aboard Steve. I am looking forward to your contributions. Anybody that hunts with a 280AI is ok in my book and obviously enlightenedcool. My avatar is of a Missouri breaks Mule with my 280 AI laid across it.


Dang, I was shooting the .280 Ackley waaaay before it was cool and I have little doubt you were, too. It is simply the finest bang for the buck out there.

Funny story; quite a few years ago, my buddy Chub Eastman told me that the Nosler .284" 120Ballistic had an incredibly thick jacket and that in beefing the bullet up for Rifle Silhouette shooting they'd inadvertently made a fantastic big game bullet.

So, I tried the 120s and they killed big old Alberta whitetail and elk great.

Then, the moment of truth came when I had a Canada moose charge out of the bush and stand looking at me at 90 yards. I aimed right under the chiny-chin-chin and shot.

The bullet coursed the neck and took out the ENTIRE second cervical vertabrae, left a one-inch exit and may still be orbiting the earth, for all I know.

The moose stood there, straight-legged for about ten seconds .... then, it sloooowly tipped over like a piece of balanced plywood that was caught in a slight breeze. THUMP.

Hey, it works.

Oh, an apology to all ... I'm unfamiliar with the forum'f format, so it might be a while for this old fella to get up to speed on the messages and such. If I don't answer or whatever, it's just that I don't know. I'll eventually make it.

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Yall convinced me. I have a 7-08 barrel laying on the shelf for my encore that I have never used. I just ordered a scope for it and a case of 140gr game kings.

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