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Pistol sight help…
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04/30/23 07:13 PM
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Judd
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I’m not a pistol sight user but I noticed my wife doesn’t shoot her G26 well without using the laser. So she wanted a new pistol and she landed on the G48 and I opted to get the MOS. I’ve narrowed it down to the Holosun 407k-x2 or 50k7-x2. The question is for someone who doesn’t shoot a lot is the 2 moa dot too small and should I opt for the 6? I know I’d prefer the 2 but thinking about her I’m leaning toward the 6. Thoughts…yes, very aware I’m likely overthinking this…it’s what I do
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Re: Pistol sight help…
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#8843471
04/30/23 09:09 PM
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Mickey Moose
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2.
Or 6.
Whichever she likes.
I know you didn't ask, but I wouldn't buy a Chinasun optic.
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Re: Pistol sight help…
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#8843505
04/30/23 10:01 PM
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You need these Pick your gun and optic https://chpws.com/If you’re going holosun I Belk e this one doesn’t make you buy a better after market plate https://holosun.com/products/reflex-sight/eps/eps-carry-red-mrs.htmlI would get a 2 moa dot and then turn it to the circle dot feature in the holosun. The EPS is enclosed emitter, that is probably better suited for carry So far I haven’t seen any failures and one of our avid shooters Carry’s his appendix all day every day Text me if you have more questions as I’m sure it will get muddy when the wannabes and and the range members jump in
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Re: Pistol sight help…
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04/30/23 10:05 PM
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I would go for the 507. The multi reticle lets her decide which works best. I put one on my p365xl. I actually prefer the circle dot reticle. It is big, but for carry, it is fast. If you want to shoot targets and go for small groups, you have the smaller 2 moa dot to use.
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Re: Pistol sight help…
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#8847022
05/05/23 08:13 PM
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George757
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I concur with safarigene. I have a 507 on one of my pistols and absolutely love the circle-dot. Fast to acquire and very precise.
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Re: Pistol sight help…
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05/06/23 12:01 AM
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I was never a pistol optic guy either until I tried it a couple years back. I clearly shoot better and like the “shake awake” feature.
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Re: Pistol sight help…
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05/06/23 05:30 PM
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The 407K and 507K are the exact same size (built for slimlines)-- there is a 507c but its a full sized optic. Pistol optics are phenomenal-- but the small sight windows on the micro sized red dots are more of a liability than benefit to most folks. A full size dot (507/508/509, RMR, SRO, ACRO) is great, whether you are shooting targets, comps or carrying for work or self defense. There is enough room to acquire the target and keep the dot in the window or predictably know its travel if it goes out of the window, even when shooting fast. The RMRcc and 407/507K are just too damn small to be really useful IMO-- theyre built for slimline pistols for concealed carry. The time and distance of a concealed carry gunfight doesn't justify the need for an optic or the possible loss in time of tgt acquisition for folks who haven't trained thoroughly and aren't training with the dot regularly. I put an RMRcc on my EDC 43x and then took it off. Here is a good Force Science Institute study on 'expert', 'intermediate' and 'novice' shooters at close range distances on shots to torso and head-- the novices were only a few percentage points behind experts and actually scored better on the close range head shots. The study is from 2015 so I assume theyre using all irons. https://www.forcescience.com/2015/09/fsi-study-the-surprising-deadly-threat-of-firearms-novices/
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Re: Pistol sight help…
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05/06/23 06:52 PM
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safarigene
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I am pretty sure that the full size 507c will not fit on a Glock 48. The slide is not wide enough for the sight. That is why the 507k was made for the slimmer single stack guns. I agree the bigger sight window is better, but it simply is not practical on the smaller guns, especially if it won't fit.
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Re: Pistol sight help…
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05/06/23 06:58 PM
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I am pretty sure that the full size 507c will not fit on a Glock 48. The slide is not wide enough for the sight. That is why the 507k was made for the slimmer single stack guns. I agree the bigger sight window is better, but it simply is not practical on the smaller guns, especially if it won't fit. Correct- hopefully that was clear; and because you can't get a good window on a small gun it makes an RDS on a slim line pointless for most.
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Re: Pistol sight help…
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05/06/23 07:11 PM
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duckhunter175
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Judd,
I know you have the G48 already in hand and it sounds like the glock platform is what yall prefer and are familiar with, and the g43x/48 are really hard to beat especially with the 15rd shield mags.
I'll toss this out- S&W offers a M&P 2.0 Compact 3.6", NOT the shield series-- it would be similar to the g26 but I think the ergonomics are much better,-- it takes standard M&P 2.0 mags and it can take a full sized optic which I think makes it a great carry option if you want a dot on your EDC.
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Re: Pistol sight help…
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05/06/23 10:04 PM
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Congrats on the new pistol for the missus. Let your wife look through both sights. Buy her the one she prefers. I learned that the hard way….
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Re: Pistol sight help…
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05/07/23 02:20 AM
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Judd
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Couple things I should clarify…she shoots her g26 well but only with the laser. The main reason is because she doesn’t practice enough to remain good without depending on the laser. She didn’t want a new gun because of anything she didn’t like about the g26…she wanted one just because and I’m always building something so she knows I can’t say “no”…why would I, it’s another gun So saying all of that, since she picked the g48 and based upon the comments here I’m going to go with a 507k-x2. If she doesn’t like it then I’ll buy another Crimson Trace for it. Then we’ll either get a g43 mos (I really like carrying my g43) or I’ll sell the sight. Either way, the main thing is this is about her and Smokey, you’re right…she needs to be on board with it. Thanks guys, you did help…as always.
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Re: Pistol sight help…
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05/07/23 01:36 PM
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Judd,
I know you have the G48 already in hand and it sounds like the glock platform is what yall prefer and are familiar with, and the g43x/48 are really hard to beat especially with the 15rd shield mags.
I'll toss this out- S&W offers a M&P 2.0 Compact 3.6", NOT the shield series-- it would be similar to the g26 but I think the ergonomics are much better,-- it takes standard M&P 2.0 mags and it can take a full sized optic which I think makes it a great carry option if you want a dot on your EDC. I just purchased the S&W9 2.0 Performance Center 4in. It came with a Crimson Trace RMR for it. Perfectly co-witnessed with the front night sight at 7 yards.
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Re: Pistol sight help…
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#8848181
05/07/23 03:48 PM
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I would take a hard look at the Holosun EDC units as well.
I've been researching all the red dots for my P365 and the EDC unit continues to rise to the top.
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Re: Pistol sight help…
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#8852962
05/15/23 09:05 PM
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https://parasecsights.com/collections/sightsPistol sights, whether fiber optic, tritium, or factory Glock placeholders, are all generally built one way. There is a dot of color or glow or whatever that is in the middle of the sight, to draw your eye to focus on the sight. And that dot isn’t actually the aiming point. The aiming point is the top of the sight, if you want an accurate shot. For real. That is the point of zero on every pistol sight in the inventory. The very top edge of the front sight post. Parasec though, what if we move the color bit up to the top, so the bright part is also the aiming part? And, what if instead of a dot, we used a line, all the way across the top of the front and rear? And what if those things together, when lined up, made a straight line, and that was how you aimed? Which they did, and it is absolutely brilliant.
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Re: Pistol sight help…
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#8853621
05/17/23 02:10 AM
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05/20/23 01:47 AM
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I rely primarily on my GREEN laser sights. They are so fast and dumass proof. The dot sights are cool and fast ONCE you get your target aquired. BUT If you aren't shooting once a week or more. I just don't think the dot is fast enough in a HIGH STRESS situation. my milage though. I'm old but I'm slow.
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05/20/23 02:54 AM
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I rely primarily on my GREEN laser sights. They are so fast and dumass proof. The dot sights are cool and fast ONCE you get your target aquired. BUT If you aren't shooting once a week or more. I just don't think the dot is fast enough in a HIGH STRESS situation. my milage though. I'm old but I'm slow. I disagree
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05/23/23 07:48 PM
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Judd
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I rely primarily on my GREEN laser sights. They are so fast and dumass proof. The dot sights are cool and fast ONCE you get your target aquired. BUT If you aren't shooting once a week or more. I just don't think the dot is fast enough in a HIGH STRESS situation. my milage though. I'm old but I'm slow. I disagree On the old and slow part or the other?
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Re: Pistol sight help…
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05/23/23 08:00 PM
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In a strange turn of events and me being a Vortex homer (I don't buy their cheap stuff and I haven't had any issues)...I ordered a Vortex Defender CCW with 6 MOA dot.
We'll see what she thinks, fingers crossed she likes it.
Don't let your ears hear what your eyes didn't see, and don't let your mouth say what your heart doesn't feel
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Re: Pistol sight help…
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05/23/23 10:12 PM
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Well you Judded this up!
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Re: Pistol sight help…
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05/23/23 11:19 PM
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In a strange turn of events and me being a Vortex homer (I don't buy their cheap stuff and I haven't had any issues)...I ordered a Vortex Defender CCW with 6 MOA dot.
We'll see what she thinks, fingers crossed she likes it. I can't believe you're trusting your wife's life to Vortex.
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Re: Pistol sight help…
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05/24/23 12:29 AM
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It’ll be fine, she won’t use it for a hammer or put heat to it
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05/24/23 12:32 AM
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Re: Pistol sight help…
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05/24/23 12:22 PM
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It’ll be fine, she won’t use it for a hammer or put heat to it You act like you know I do chit like that.
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