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CHL Renewal? #8814145 03/07/23 08:42 PM
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I got my CHL renewal stuff in the mail today. Is there any reason to renew it now that most people don’t need one anymore? Asking for a friend. 😁


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I'll renew as long as it's offered. It's a matter of pride for me.


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Re: CHL Renewal? [Re: PrimitiveHunter] #8814152 03/07/23 08:49 PM
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Yes, carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol, reciprocating states, and no waiting to purchase a new firearm.

Also it's called LTC instead of CHL.

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Reciprocity is nice on road trips. Also nice when buying new guns. You can also carry up to the door of your kids school when picking them up… assuming you have kids

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Originally Posted by Superduty
Yes, carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol, reciprocating states, and no waiting to purchase a new firearm.

Also it's called LTC instead of CHL.

This. Lots of places that you can legally carry with the LTC that you can not legally carry without one.


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current federal policy is clearly irrational, scientifically insupportable and ridiculous.
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Reciprocity on road trips is a big plus, as is the convenience when buying new toys. I’ll renew without hesitation.


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Originally Posted by PrimitiveHunter
I got my CHL renewal stuff in the mail today. Is there any reason to renew it now that most people don’t need one anymore? Asking for a friend. 😁


You can carry within 1000 feet of any school and on the campus of many, which is a federal violation if you are not licensed.

Your LTC will also serve as a nice reminder to the cops that pull you over that you are a thoroughly vetted card carrying good guy. My CHLs and LTCs have paid for themselves many many times over through the years in the tickets that I didn't get.


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Originally Posted by Superduty
Yes, carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol, reciprocating states, and no waiting to purchase a new firearm.

Also it's called LTC instead of CHL.


A person doesn’t need a LTC to carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol. If there’s a 51% sign (A bar) you can’t carry either way. If this has changed (I can’t imagine it has without me knowing) please post a link.

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Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
Originally Posted by Superduty
Yes, carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol, reciprocating states, and no waiting to purchase a new firearm.

Also it's called LTC instead of CHL.


A person doesn’t need a LTC to carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol. If there’s a 51% sign (A bar) you can’t carry either way. If this has changed (I can’t imagine it has without me knowing) please post a link.

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Originally Posted by Nolanco
current federal policy is clearly irrational, scientifically insupportable and ridiculous.
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NOT a new law by decades.


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Originally Posted by unclebubba
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Yes, carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol, reciprocating states, and no waiting to purchase a new firearm.

Also it's called LTC instead of CHL.


A person doesn’t need a LTC to carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol. If there’s a 51% sign (A bar) you can’t carry either way. If this has changed (I can’t imagine it has without me knowing) please post a link.

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That’s an old blue sign.

The blue “NOTICE” sign that is commonly found in restaurant windows prohibiting unlicensed handguns is irrelevant since that law has changed. The TABC confirms “there will no longer be a requirement for certain businesses to display the blue handgun warning sign, as there will no longer be a requirement that handgun owners license their firearms.”

Restaurants, non-51-percenters, have three signs to choose from now. One refers to penal code 30.06, which prohibits concealed handguns; penal code 30.07 prohibits the open carrying of handguns; and penal code 30.05 covers criminal trespass for entering with a firearm. Some restaurants have already posted the 30.05 sign with the words “No Permitless Carry'' at the top. All three signs mean no guns on your property.

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Again, if I’m wrong please post the actual codified law. Here is the Texas Penal Code 46.03 Places Weapons Prohibited:

https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/PE/htm/PE.46.htm

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License holders have protections related to the accidental carrying of a firearm in the secured area of Airports.

That is from Texas DPS website.

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Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
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Originally Posted by Superduty
Yes, carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol, reciprocating states, and no waiting to purchase a new firearm.

Also it's called LTC instead of CHL.


A person doesn’t need a LTC to carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol. If there’s a 51% sign (A bar) you can’t carry either way. If this has changed (I can’t imagine it has without me knowing) please post a link.

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That’s an old blue sign.

The blue “NOTICE” sign that is commonly found in restaurant windows prohibiting unlicensed handguns is irrelevant since that law has changed. The TABC confirms “there will no longer be a requirement for certain businesses to display the blue handgun warning sign, as there will no longer be a requirement that handgun owners license their firearms.”

Restaurants, non-51-percenters, have three signs to choose from now. One refers to penal code 30.06, which prohibits concealed handguns; penal code 30.07 prohibits the open carrying of handguns; and penal code 30.05 covers criminal trespass for entering with a firearm. Some restaurants have already posted the 30.05 sign with the words “No Permitless Carry'' at the top. All three signs mean no guns on your property.


In 2021 (I believe it was) Texas added a defense to prosecution. If you are discovered carrying in a posted 30.06, or 30.07 establishment and you immediately leave the establishment.

Effectively making all but the 51% signs worthless.


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Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
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Yes, carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol, reciprocating states, and no waiting to purchase a new firearm.

Also it's called LTC instead of CHL.


A person doesn’t need a LTC to carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol. If there’s a 51% sign (A bar) you can’t carry either way. If this has changed (I can’t imagine it has without me knowing) please post a link.

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That’s an old blue sign.

The blue “NOTICE” sign that is commonly found in restaurant windows prohibiting unlicensed handguns is irrelevant since that law has changed. The TABC confirms “there will no longer be a requirement for certain businesses to display the blue handgun warning sign, as there will no longer be a requirement that handgun owners license their firearms.”

Restaurants, non-51-percenters, have three signs to choose from now. One refers to penal code 30.06, which prohibits concealed handguns; penal code 30.07 prohibits the open carrying of handguns; and penal code 30.05 covers criminal trespass for entering with a firearm. Some restaurants have already posted the 30.05 sign with the words “No Permitless Carry'' at the top. All three signs mean no guns on your property.

I was unaware that the law had changed and that sign was no longer valid.


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Originally Posted by Nolanco
current federal policy is clearly irrational, scientifically insupportable and ridiculous.
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The LTC is a good thing to keep though. Mainly it proves you’ve been vetted pretty well before any law enforcement contacts. As for no NIC check when buying one from a licensed dealer, for about two years now during the ATF orientation, all new dealers are being advised it’s a good idea to NIC all LTC holders due to the volume of LTC cardholders who have failed to relinquish their card after it was suspended or revoked. Long time dealers usually won’t though especially for long time customers.

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Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
The LTC is a good thing to keep though. Mainly it proves you’ve been vetted pretty well before any law enforcement contacts. As for no NIC check when buying one from a licensed dealer, for about two years now during the ATF orientation, all new dealers are being advised it’s a good idea to NIC all LTC holders due to the volume of LTC cardholders who have failed to relinquish their card after it was suspended or revoked. Long time dealers usually won’t though especially for long time customers.


Not exactly right.

ATF is saying to go to the Texas website and verify the LTC is still valid. If it is, good to go. No NICS check.


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I just renewed mine. Did it on line and had the new card in about ten days. $38.00 well spent.

Funny thing is I did my DL renewal the same day but had to do that in person. Renewing the DL was a bigger hassle than renewing my LTC.
DPS is really starting to use technology to their advantage. On my previous LTC renewals they kept using the picture from when I got my LTC the first time.
This time they used the same picture that they took for my DL renewal.

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Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
The LTC is a good thing to keep though. Mainly it proves you’ve been vetted pretty well before any law enforcement contacts. As for no NIC check when buying one from a licensed dealer, for about two years now during the ATF orientation, all new dealers are being advised it’s a good idea to NIC all LTC holders due to the volume of LTC cardholders who have failed to relinquish their card after it was suspended or revoked. Long time dealers usually won’t though especially for long time customers.


Only a recommendation, NOT a requirement...and as JG stated.


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Making it quicker to buy guns is worth it to me.


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Some places still call in the back ground check even though you may your LTC...Academy Sports being one of them.


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I am still looking for the perfect apron, one with reinforced knee areas would be perfect.

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Originally Posted by The Dude Abides
Some places still call in the back ground check even though you may your LTC...Academy Sports being one of them.

Just another reason to avoid Academy.



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Is there a recorded conviction where an armed perp was stopped, and the LTC holder was convicted on 51% grounds?

My $0.02, you gotta be alive to be prosecuted and you're not crazy to ignore 51%, 100% of the time.

I keep mine current for several reasons, not the least of which is reciprocity and avoiding the new gun call-in.


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Originally Posted by Inge0071
Is there a recorded conviction where an armed perp was stopped, and the LTC holder was convicted on 51% grounds?


Yes.

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Makes buying new ones easier and gives confidence in buying/selling to others. Yes, you should renew.

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