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What happened here?
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02/25/23 10:12 PM
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Factory Remington Core Lokt 270 cartridge. My son bought it off of a member here. Primer disintegrated and end of bolt and spent shell stayed in the chamber. Had to tap it out. He had shot 12 rounds out of the same box thru it and then this happened.
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Re: What happened here?
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02/25/23 11:12 PM
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Re: What happened here?
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02/25/23 11:32 PM
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Yep, over pressure.
When was the last time you really cleaned the gun good? Excess carbon can create that mess in addition to a hot loaded 270.
Likely your bolt face is screwed up and needs fixed too.
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Re: What happened here?
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02/25/23 11:43 PM
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Yep, over pressure.
When was the last time you really cleaned the gun good? Excess carbon can create that mess in addition to a hot loaded 270.
Likely your bolt face is screwed up and needs fixed too. Yup, hot load and prolly a really dirty barrel throat. And some people think hand loading is risky...
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Re: What happened here?
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02/26/23 02:26 AM
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Barrel was clean and it was a factory load. I guess it was a bad load from the factory. Gun is going back to Savage factory. They wanted it mailed even though we don't fault them.
Bobby Barnett
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Re: What happened here?
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02/26/23 02:31 AM
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Some strange things happen with factory ammo. I had a 257 Roberts that had a 6.5 bullet in it from Hornady. A Winchester 264 WM factory load that looked like a factory 7mm crimp had been shoved down on it shoulder looked almost Weatherby like except for those 4 places it wasn't crunched so much. Remington 270 with a 7mm bullet in it. 22 Hornet with a crease in the neck and another in the same box with a crease in the shoulder and body. a factory primer in backwards
Good examples to inspect your ammo.
Something like a wrong size bullet might or might not chamber but would dang sure increase pressure if you did and fired it.
Agree with the others though high pressure for what ever reason.
lf the saying "Liar, Liar your pants on fire" were true Mainstream news might be fun to watch
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Re: What happened here?
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02/26/23 02:31 AM
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Hello all, this gun was cleaned deep last week, gun hasn’t been fired in a year, and was cleaned when i bought it too. The bolt carrier got stuck on the brass after the round was fired and came apart. Factory load, last one in the box dialing in the scope. When i went to reload, i couldn’t even unlock the bolt, everything was jammed.
RIP Grandpa, I will always love and miss you. 2-6-11
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Re: What happened here?
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02/26/23 02:36 AM
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Some strange things happen with factory ammo. I had a 257 Roberts that had a 6.5 bullet in it from Hornady. A Winchester 264 WM factory load that looked like a factory 7mm crimp had been shoved down on it shoulder looked almost Weatherby like except for those 4 places it wasn't crunched so much. Remington 270 with a 7mm bullet in it. 22 Hornet with a crease in the neck and another in the same box with a crease in the shoulder and body. a factory primer in backwards
Good examples to inspect your ammo.
Something like a wrong size bullet might or might not chamber but would dang sure increase pressure if you did and fired it.
Agree with the others though high pressure for what ever reason.
Agree, it’s a box of core lokt, with Winchester casings. Some are mismatched but the box was opened for the first time today.
RIP Grandpa, I will always love and miss you. 2-6-11
Father to Hudson Lane, my heart warrior, and Ryan Taylor, my youngest.
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Re: What happened here?
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02/26/23 02:43 AM
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Some strange things happen with factory ammo. I had a 257 Roberts that had a 6.5 bullet in it from Hornady. A Winchester 264 WM factory load that looked like a factory 7mm crimp had been shoved down on it shoulder looked almost Weatherby like except for those 4 places it wasn't crunched so much. Remington 270 with a 7mm bullet in it. 22 Hornet with a crease in the neck and another in the same box with a crease in the shoulder and body. a factory primer in backwards
Good examples to inspect your ammo.
Something like a wrong size bullet might or might not chamber but would dang sure increase pressure if you did and fired it.
Agree with the others though high pressure for what ever reason.
Agree, it’s a box of core lokt, with Winchester casings. Some are mismatched but the box was opened for the first time today. That sounds like reloads in a Remington box to me T would be calling the manufacture if truely first time box opened
Last edited by kmon11; 02/26/23 02:44 AM.
lf the saying "Liar, Liar your pants on fire" were true Mainstream news might be fun to watch
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Re: What happened here?
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02/26/23 02:46 AM
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Some strange things happen with factory ammo. I had a 257 Roberts that had a 6.5 bullet in it from Hornady. A Winchester 264 WM factory load that looked like a factory 7mm crimp had been shoved down on it shoulder looked almost Weatherby like except for those 4 places it wasn't crunched so much. Remington 270 with a 7mm bullet in it. 22 Hornet with a crease in the neck and another in the same box with a crease in the shoulder and body. a factory primer in backwards
Good examples to inspect your ammo.
Something like a wrong size bullet might or might not chamber but would dang sure increase pressure if you did and fired it.
Agree with the others though high pressure for what ever reason.
Agree, it’s a box of core lokt, with Winchester casings. Some are mismatched but the box was opened for the first time today. Are you sure they are Winchester cases and not just saying "270 Winchester" on them to indicate the caliber? A Remington factory load should have a "RP" stamped on the case.
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Re: What happened here?
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02/26/23 02:54 AM
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Some strange things happen with factory ammo. I had a 257 Roberts that had a 6.5 bullet in it from Hornady. A Winchester 264 WM factory load that looked like a factory 7mm crimp had been shoved down on it shoulder looked almost Weatherby like except for those 4 places it wasn't crunched so much. Remington 270 with a 7mm bullet in it. 22 Hornet with a crease in the neck and another in the same box with a crease in the shoulder and body. a factory primer in backwards
Good examples to inspect your ammo.
Something like a wrong size bullet might or might not chamber but would dang sure increase pressure if you did and fired it.
Agree with the others though high pressure for what ever reason.
Agree, it’s a box of core lokt, with Winchester casings. Some are mismatched but the box was opened for the first time today. Are you sure they are Winchester cases and not just saying "270 Winchester" on them to indicate the caliber? A Remington factory load should have a "RP" stamped on the case. Yes they said RP 270 win.
RIP Grandpa, I will always love and miss you. 2-6-11
Father to Hudson Lane, my heart warrior, and Ryan Taylor, my youngest.
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Re: What happened here?
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02/26/23 03:01 AM
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Here is the box.
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Re: What happened here?
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02/26/23 03:08 AM
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Yep some of those are Winchester cases for sure. If that box of ammo was still factory sealed when you opened it then I am speechless. I have no idea how that happens and have never even heard of such a thing.
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Re: What happened here?
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02/26/23 03:09 AM
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Yep some of those are Winchester cases for sure. If that box of ammo was still factory sealed when you opened it then I am speechless. I have no idea how that happens and have never even heard of such a thing. Same, i got the box second hand but it was still sealed. The load fired was a factory core lokt round, and the only one in the box that had issues
RIP Grandpa, I will always love and miss you. 2-6-11
Father to Hudson Lane, my heart warrior, and Ryan Taylor, my youngest.
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Re: What happened here?
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02/26/23 03:20 AM
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All I know is I would trust some of yall's hand loads more than factory any day of the week.
Bobby Barnett
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Re: What happened here?
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02/26/23 03:40 AM
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Some strange things happen with factory ammo. I had a 257 Roberts that had a 6.5 bullet in it from Hornady. A Winchester 264 WM factory load that looked like a factory 7mm crimp had been shoved down on it shoulder looked almost Weatherby like except for those 4 places it wasn't crunched so much. Remington 270 with a 7mm bullet in it. 22 Hornet with a crease in the neck and another in the same box with a crease in the shoulder and body. a factory primer in backwards
Good examples to inspect your ammo.
Something like a wrong size bullet might or might not chamber but would dang sure increase pressure if you did and fired it.
Agree with the others though high pressure for what ever reason.
Agree, it’s a box of core lokt, with Winchester casings. Some are mismatched but the box was opened for the first time today. That sounds like reloads in a Remington box to me T would be calling the manufacture if truely first time box opened I bet you're right. He got them second hand on here. Same with the gun... It was bought on here. When it gets back from the factory, he is gonna sell it to a buddy and buy a new Ruger 7mm-08 or 308.
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Re: What happened here?
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04/16/23 08:23 PM
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Update: Son got the gun back from Savage. They only had to install a new ejector. They fired it and checked it over good. It had to be a bad round as was suggested, Son is selling it anyway. Savage 111 270 winchester and 9.5 boxes of shells for $400.
In the meantime he bought a Tikka Roughtech 7mm Mag and loves it.
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Re: What happened here?
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04/17/23 12:09 AM
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Update: Son got the gun back from Savage. They only had to install a new ejector. No surprise there.
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Re: What happened here?
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04/18/23 12:54 AM
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What does a sealed box mean?
Sealed by what?
All the Remington rifle ammo I have seen can be opened at both ends.
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Re: What happened here?
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04/18/23 02:33 AM
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What does a sealed box mean?
Sealed by what?
All the Remington rifle ammo I have seen can be opened at both ends. I think he meant unopened. But I also think he found out he was wrong.
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Re: What happened here?
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04/18/23 02:36 AM
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The fact that some of the loads in the box are marked 270 WIN RP (factory Remington) and others marked 270 WINCHESTER (factory Winchester) along with brass that shows some age tells me there's something more to the history of this box of ammo.
All my Remington Core-lokt ammo, both 270 and 243, are marked 270 WIN RP and 243 WIN RP respectively. The same format is used on my Remington 30-30 ammo.
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Re: What happened here?
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04/18/23 02:53 AM
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Update: Son got the gun back from Savage. They only had to install a new ejector. No surprise there. 🤣 Your distrust of Savage extractors and my own experience with a bad one makes me laugh every single time.
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Re: What happened here?
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04/18/23 02:41 PM
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Update: Son got the gun back from Savage. They only had to install a new ejector. They fired it and checked it over good. It had to be a bad round as was suggested, Son is selling it anyway. Savage 111 270 winchester and 9.5 boxes of shells for $400.
In the meantime he bought a Tikka Roughtech 7mm Mag and loves it. I would be really hesitant to sell the ammo , if it came from the same source. I would suggest close inspection of the remaining ammo, Reloaded brass is easy to spot compared to new , unfired. You may have another bad round, would hate to pass that on. good luck MO
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Re: What happened here?
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04/18/23 03:45 PM
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I don’t think that ammo came directly from the Remington factory. Remington makes their own brass. An over pressure round locked your rifle up. You can’t blame the failed ejector on Savage. I would suspect a hand load worked up in Winchester brass, subsequently loaded in Remington brass with less internal capacity to be the catalyst of the over pressure. For discussion sake, moving forward I would be leery of any box of ammunition containing mixed head stamps that you did not load yourself. This points to the reason I don’t shoot anybody’s reloads other than my own. Factory ammunition is not manufactured with mixed head stamps. Glad nobody got hurt and that the rifle had been repaired.
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Re: What happened here?
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04/18/23 04:51 PM
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I don’t think that ammo came directly from the Remington factory. Remington makes their own brass. An over pressure round locked your rifle up. You can’t blame the failed ejector on Savage. I would suspect a hand load worked up in Winchester brass, subsequently loaded in Remington brass with less internal capacity to be the catalyst of the over pressure. For discussion sake, moving forward I would be leery of any box of ammunition containing mixed head stamps that you did not load yourself. This points to the reason I don’t shoot anybody’s reloads other than my own. Factory ammunition is not manufactured with mixed head stamps. Glad nobody got hurt and that the rifle had been repaired. While industry credentials exist for those who can fix your car, install a water heater, or add some lights in your home, all you have is word of mouth when choosing a source for reloaded ammo. Needless to say, commercial ammo makers have QC mechanisms in place to help ensure both the safety and reliability of their products. Perhaps that's why SAAMI doesn't offer memberships to individuals.
Last edited by Texas Dan; 04/18/23 05:22 PM.
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