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Re: English setter.
[Re: Bones72]
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02/12/23 12:34 PM
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mudman
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taking your advise. Love the GSP. Spent many hours behind 4 dogs, my Dads. Have pictures back when only film. I want a dog to go huntin.
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Re: English setter.
[Re: mudman]
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02/12/23 12:55 PM
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TX_Birddog1L You have good info. I have been out of this for a long time.
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Re: English setter.
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02/12/23 07:31 PM
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3 alarm bbq
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I have a Setter from King's in Enola AR. He is an awesome dog, close ranging, with a great nose and drive.
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Re: English setter.
[Re: mudman]
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02/13/23 03:44 AM
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I want a dog that will hunt whatever distance I want. If hunting big country as long as he or she is going in the wind making big casts I don’t care if the are 300 yds out. If we are hunting a small spot I want to be able to bring them in and cover a tighter area. Anything could be done with an English pointer as long as they understand the commands. We hunted this weekend with pointers and Brittany’s working together and they complemented each other nicely hunting big open country. A good gps collar is a must.
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Re: English setter.
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02/13/23 04:03 AM
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I like all breeds of pointing dogs, and have owned and trained many. I had never hunted with a setter until I was in my 30’s. Where I grew up in west Tx no one hunted with them. It was all Pointers, Shorthairs, and a few Brittany’s. My advice is to get a pup out of a litter with parents that hunt the range you want. In my experience I can make a big running dog work close but I’ve never been able to make a close working dog run big.
It is nice to be able to open a dog up when bird are sparse. They will all work close when there are coveys every few hundred yards. I don’t know if we will ever see that kind of bird populations again.
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Re: English setter.
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02/15/23 05:57 PM
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Dave Scott
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Is there much of a market for finished dogs? I read something on it a while back. From pup to grown up dog you have to feed it so that costs some money. Then the pup becomes a pet, especially if there are kids in the house, then you find out that the dog can't find a bird to save its life and doesn't want to bust in to heavy cover- well its now a pet- what do you do? In any event, a good argument for a finished dog.
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Re: English setter.
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02/16/23 01:19 AM
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One of scalebusters mentors told me 30 years ago if you breed a birddog to a birddog you will most likely get a bird dog. I have followed that advice for 30 years and had more than my share of quality meat dogs that were purebred and cross breeds in my opinion ground time is the most important factor in making a good hunting meat dog.
Tigger If it isn't white it is not a birddog.
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Re: English setter.
[Re: mudman]
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02/16/23 05:52 AM
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Lots of quail make good bird dogs
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Re: English setter.
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02/16/23 11:57 AM
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ground time is the most important factor in making a good hunting meat dog. Worth repeating
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Re: English setter.
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02/18/23 03:19 PM
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Dave Scott
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On the Blues, since they are runners- would a flushing breed versus a pointing breed be best? Never really thought about it.
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Re: English setter.
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02/18/23 03:23 PM
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scalebuster
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On the Blues, since they are runners- would a flushing breed versus a pointing breed be best? Never really thought about it. No. With experience your pointing dog will learn how to deal with the blues. Hunting blues is a different game. When your dog does go on point don’t mess around. Run up there and get ready to shoot. I prefer to drive around until I find a covey, flush them and then throw the dogs out.
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Re: English setter.
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03/03/23 07:43 PM
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Not ALL setters work close...they can range out just as far as the rangiest of English pointers... my female was a track star in her prime and now, going on 8, she can still get out 400-500 yards in front of a quail buggy no problem...I would suggest you either find yourself a started setter from a reputable breeder that naturally works close or consider a flushing breed...those typically stay within gun range and have strong natural retriever instincts...something like an English Cocker or Springer Spaniel...I've hunted over some great Brittany's that were excellent short-range pointing dogs too...
Good luck in your search! also pointing labs
hold on Newt, we got a runaway
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Re: English setter.
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03/14/23 12:24 AM
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Working close can be taught to most any of them. Setters shed lots of hair if a house dog.
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Re: English setter.
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03/20/23 02:59 PM
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Dave Scott
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Between English Pointers and GSP, I've heard the "English" Pointers can be sort of hard headed, need to be at them all the time.; For anyone who has had both, is the GSP a more manageable choice? (Better pet).
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Re: English setter.
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03/20/23 06:23 PM
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GSP can be just as hard headed as a Pointer. All 3 of my Pointers would get in my lap if I’d let them.
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Re: English setter.
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03/20/23 11:44 PM
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colt45-90
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hold on Newt, we got a runaway
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Re: English setter.
[Re: mudman]
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03/21/23 06:06 PM
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I have both breeds GSP and English pointer. One thing you need to know on the pet side is just when you think they cannot possibly get closer to you they will. Viszlas ain't got nothing on them even if they're supposed to be the velcro dog. The only thing I'd say on the English pointer is that they seem to be "one person" dogs in my experience. One person in the house gets to be the true authority while gsps tend to listen to everyone.
Last edited by Bones72; 03/21/23 06:34 PM.
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