Thought some of you might be interested in this. I'll try to update the progress as we go. It's been a dream of mine to buy some land and develop a wetland after I watched a really good friend of mine do it. He wanted to build another one, so we decided to partner up and started looking for land 3 years ago. Closed on our property a year and a month ago.

During the process of looking, I learned a lot. It's not as simple as finding a piece of ground you can afford and jumping in feet first. There's a lot of leg work into looking at soil maps, topo maps, drainage/runoff basins, water rights, etc, etc. During the time we were looking the market on land was obscenely hot. Stuff was selling almost as soon as it hit the market, so doing any due diligence was almost impossible. The piece of ground we ended up buying had a contract on it within 3 days of getting listed. I won't go into the details, but the buyer got extremely frustrated with the seller. Having a good agent that knew what was going on gave us the time to do our homework before the property was ready to sell. We were able to shoot elevations to confirm the topo map as well as a few soil samples to verify clay content. We were still a little apprehensive about the soil going in, but decided to buy the property anyway since we were buying under market at the time. We felt like we could get back out of the property what we put in if the final analysis by the state came back negative.

So first step find a property that has primary recreational water rights, is flat, and has soils with a high enough clay content to hold water. Easy right? Only took us 3 years of looking.

Property:


Immediately after closing we filed the paper work thru the state for our water rights since this takes over a year. Next we got in line to have the state expert come out and run soil analysis for us to confirm our clay content. It was free and the guy has been doing this for 40 years. Once we triple checked out elevations for our pools, it was time to come up with the wetland design. Ultimately we decided on a two pool design. The East pool will have 18 acres of corn and be mostly open farm ground with a finger of timber in the pool to hide our blind. Approximately 22 acres total flooded. The west pool with have 5 acres of corn and approximately 15 acres total flooded. We decided to open up a hole in the timber between the two small fields of corn to build a blind.

Pool layouts:



These were our initial designs. I don't have the final. The pool layout for the West Pool is close, but the elevation of the East Pool will run further north to get more of the tillable ground in the pool and hopefully we can get the contractor to selectively borrow dirt from the east of the pool to lower the elevation to put more pool to the East of the tree line where we plan on building the blind.

To be continued..........

dont forget my she shed!!!

Super cool. A dream of mine as well, looking forward to seeing the progress on it. Did you buy in Tx or Ok?

Next up was trying to improve the land and get broke back into farm ground. Even though the satellite images show tillable farm ground it hadn't been planted in a couple of years. The farmer had been running cattle on it and turned it into grazing. We wanted to pull all the trees out of the 3 main fields you see in the first aerial photo as well as pull trees in the West pool to create two smaller fields for corn in the wetland. Simply amazed at what you can get done with a skidsteer.





Once we had the fields cleaned up the farmer came in sprayed to kill weeds/grass before we no tilled beans.



At this point we had about done as much as we could do without levee permits approved. The state had changed it rules on the permitting and wouldn't let us file the paperwork and plans. That make you go thru a licensed engineering firm that does all the levee plans as well as hydrology and 100 year flood studies. They also want all elevations in the plans tied to USGS geological data which means a licensed surveyor. These guys were both backed up for months. We went back and forth with them about doing the survey during the winter while the leaves were off the trees. All we got was the surveyor was backed up and couldn't get to us until the summer. This presented an issue with the tree canopy since our south level went thru a pretty significant track of timber. Rather than push project time line we went at risk of having the timber cleared with an excavator before our permits were approved.





While the contractor was in there we had him clear out out some bigger trees in the two fields of the West pool we couldn't pull with the skid-steers as well as some timber between the two pools.





To be continued........

Love these projects. On my 3rd one, which has been the best wetland yet. Hopefully you did your “flyway” research as well. If your not in a good area, doesn’t matter what you plant or do, your duck population will be skinny the majority of the hunting season.

Good luck

dont forget my she shed!!!

Looking forward to more updates. I would love to do something like this one day.

Anyone know how to report someone for trolling?



Ended up in KS. The land prices in TX for smaller tracts was more than I was wanting to spend. Plus I think the migration due to less and less agriculture in TX has moved North unless the weather is really nasty. However as soon as the weather weakens I've noticed more and more of reverse migration. I really wanted land in OK. Prices are very reasonable, but with the variables I mentioned above all the ground I found in OK to check those boxes were too sandy. It just wouldn't hold water and the places I did find with enough water I wasn't willing to pay the type of money needed to overcome the seepage in the wetland.



Something tells me we will be alright.

After the contractor was done clearing trees there were a lot of roots, limbs, etc to clean up as well holes left by the root balls. You can see that in the pictures I posted above. Lots of hours in the skid steers cleaning that up and trying to make it level for the surveyor to come in and do his work. Didn't get any pictures of the clean up work or the surveyor, but was interesting to see how he used his equipment. He said his elevations were accurate up to 1/32". He did a lot finer grid of the property, but our elevations ended up being within an inch of his data. No surprises which was good. Now to wait on the engineering firm to do the levee design and flood studies to submit to the state.

Aerial view of the wetland after the trees were removed and before we burned the brush piles. Can finally see it taking shape.




By this point we were in the middle of hunting season. We picked a weekend after some rain to burn the majority of the brush piles.





Most of the piles burned down pretty well. We only got the piles on the West pool burnt. Going out this weekend to burn the piles on the east pool and sift thru the piles we already burnt to add un-burnt wood to the east piles and remove the ash from the West Pool field for planting this spring. Definitely never a lack of something to do when developing or maintaining a wetland.

Cool project and yes you are correct; skidsteers are handy as a pocket on a shirt. How long of a commute is it from the metromess?

I'll just put this out there, you will want more than corn. Get you a buffet.
If you run straight corn, there's a strong possibility that birds will feed in it at night, and go elsewhere to hang out in the day.
Just something to consider before you plant for the year.

Looks great - agree on variety. Look at all big duck clubs, the most successful ones have some hot crops and moist soil. Keep more birds throughout the season

Barney get yo pen out.

Why is that? Is corn a mallard mid-night snack and something else (say millet) a more mallard breakfast type meal?

smartweed, no maintenance needed and it will bring in birds.

corn is a pig magnet, we did 2 areas on 2 of our lakes, didn't go as planned.

planted milo and millet on 2 other lakes but it didn't head out in time, was planted late.

going back to mostly smartweed, works best imo

He needs to class that place up with a chessie though.

No, those mallards will just feed all night, then go to more open water about 10 minutes before shooting light. Or they might not ever leave the corn since it also provides thermal cover.
Any manager that knows what's up will always take moist soil over hot crop.

Raise your hand if you shot your first duck during the trump administration

Maybe don't run so much corn, just enough so they run out by sun down.

What does that comment have to do with this post? You just trying to be your typical bully self?


Also Guy, I got a good chuckle from your last comment.

So how many wetland properties have you built in KS?

this is Barney’s third in 12 years, the others he helped and hunts, this one is his.

Look back at the pictures he had posted over the years.

All the bullies got banned about a decade ago, you wouldn’t have liked them at all. I was just pointing out that maybe sometimes it’s best to sit back and listen rather than try and tell an experienced waterfowler what you heard on a podcast

When I grow up I want to be Barneywho. I’m glad I was never kwood.

Ramball you big ole bully biscuit neck.

I've been a member longer than you you fool.

Bobo, haven't built any in Kansas, but I've done a few of them in Texas. But hey, what do I know, apparently my wildlife degree and experience don't mean anything.

Texas has same freeze line as KS? who knew.

same wildlife degree that told me prairie dogs eat minimal grass, and are beneficial to farming…. but what do I know, my bushel and grass tonnage sky rocketed after I killed them out.

when someone flexes their knowledge on a subject based on a degree its time to exit the conversation, not worth it when a man already knows everything. Next thing you know he'll start trying to tell you silver labs and GHG decoys are top notch.

You’re getting there.

So do the haters disagree with KWood? I'm just trying to learn something.

I swore I wasn’t going to reply to this, but I can’t help myself.




So that education and experience taught you that only one certain food makes ducks nocturnal? If I plant anything other than corn, they won’t eat at night? Sky blasting, hunting all day…….aka pressure isn’t what makes them nocturnal? It’s the corn? Guess I learn something everyday.

Appreciate the advice, but I’ll stick with my experience and what has been working for us the last 15 years.


More pics and progress to come…..

I have the degree as a base, I have the years of experience after that to back it up, lol.

No, there's many variables, but corn is a very influential food. I have no clue who barneywho is, was just giving him facts on wetland projects that he can do with as he wishes.

I still have that research paper, and I actually came across and read it the other day. What you said isn't what the paper was about at all, good try to be a criticizer though. The research was about how they are good for the ecosystem as a whole, and if they should be put on the endangered species list, etc. That paper is full of research facts, and I can send it to you if you'd like, now that I know where it's at.

No, it taught me many other things. Like I said, any person that manages for ducks, and actually knows anything, knows that a buffet is better than straight hot crop. Hot crops absolutely have their place though. I don't know who you are, nor do I care, I answered the question like you were a beginner to help your success since most people are beginners and run straight to hot crop and then wonder why they can't kill ducks in their plot. They've never actually managed for ducks, so they try what they've seen on Instagram and wonder why it doesn't work.
If you have something that works for you, awesome, but I bet you manage pressure, have other plots have thermal cover, have a refuge, and more. I had no idea this wasn't your first rodeo.

Also look at my wording, I didn't say guarantee, I said possible. Ducks go nocturnal quick, but the research proven facts, plus anecdotal evidence, shows that corn makes them do it much quicker since it provides food, thermal cover, and protection from predatory birds.

I'll admit, there's a lot I don't know, but I'm far from ignorant like these clowns like to think.

I have seen them feed at night on public, because of hunting pressure…acorns, smart weed. The past season 1 week they are coming in on a string, the next week I can hear them all night long camping then gone by morning, nothing but mud boats.

thats why location and pressure are so relative. Freeze line and types of open water are way different

those years of experience landed you on Sitka and Boss shells? keep paddling kid, you'll get there one day

This is an interesting article on duck behavior
Full link - https://www.themeateater.com/hunt/waterfowl/why-do-you-see-so-many-ducks-after-the-season

Two recent telemetry studies in Arkansas and Tennessee (the latter is still ongoing) show that mallards become programmed to avoid hunting pressure and human disturbance once the season is underway. The birds stick to sanctuaries devoid of shotgun blasts and boats racing through the marsh. There have also been telemetry studies conducted on gadwall and pintails that reveal similar habits.

Both studies provide a detailed look at mallard movements in wintering areas. What they discovered is quite illuminating. Once the duck season begins, mallards quickly adapt to survive, spending their nights feeding on private, flooded agriculture and flying back to the refuge before shooting light in the morning. They spend the remainder of the day on these sanctuaries and do not fly out to feed until after sunset. The mallards remain on this strict regiment for the entirety of the season unless a substantial weather event forces them to move.

Dittmer’s mallards hardly spent any time at all on public hunting areas—day or night—until duck season ended. Once it did, the birds began to frequent public hunting acres and moved away from using spatial sanctuaries during daylight hours.

“When hunting season was on those mallards were either on the sanctuary or private agriculture, normally flooded rice,” Dittmer said. “But about two weeks after hunting season ended, during the daytime, they preferred public hunt areas over spatial sanctuaries (mostly flooded timber) and private lands. It was really clear that once hunting season ended, mallards started using these formerly risky areas. Presumably, they somehow knew it was safe.”


“What intrigued me most about these mallards, other than how smart they were, is that most of them stayed within the vicinity of White River NWR,” he said. “Out of 105 birds, only two moved farther south than Arkansas.”

Dittmer’s mallards acted much the same. He tracked their peak flying times, which, not surprisingly, were in the minutes before legal shooting light and after sunset. The only times his birds were killed—only 10 were shot during the study—was if they flew off the night roost a little too late or left the safety of the sanctuary too early. And of the 10 mallards harvested, only two were shot on White River NWR, where they were deployed.

Them mallards are smart, probably reading this forum.

They are quite smart.
We see it here in the panhandle all season while goose hunting about them flying to safety.
When we're out scouting, you'll see them making their way to a field around sunset, then when we're setting up in the morning you'll see thousands of them heading back to water. They feed all night, sit on water all day. It's crazy to watch tens of thousands of ducks hitting the water at first light.

So I ended up getting the best gear, and you're implying that that is stupid? You're really showing your ignorance and hate here. Keep hating though, jealousy is an ugly thing.

I wont resort to name calling, but I will say life is a long game, and I have seen the "best" change a few times over. Some people grow and learn about marketing and some just jump from fad to fad.

what would really blow your mind is that I really don't even wear camo, all the new patterns are made to catch the hunters eye on the sales rack. Keep your face down and be still...game over

It's not about the camo, it's about the warmth without bulk. We mainly lay in whites, so camo isn't much needed.

camo was more of a side note really, every latest and greatest "best" is about warmth without bulk. You're going to need to come out with something more ground breaking than regurgitating a marketing statement.

If corn did not work, people would not be spending 800-1200 dollars an acre to plant it every year... I have hammered ducks over flooded corn in the middle of the day for days on end and when the hole was not pressured for a few days you could go back and restart the process (public land flooded corn from when a river got out of its banks) ... I have watched ducks land on ice and peck the corn off the cob when five foot deep water froze over.... in the middle of the day... to say ducks will only use corn at night as asinine... I remember when the manager on the Barker Ranch (Eastern Washington, private club, pretty good hunting) said he was going to plant corn all the KWood_TSU know it all members said the same crap... "they are only going to use it at night and go back to the river the next day"... they all shut up when they killed more mallards that year than ever before. Yes, that property also had a buffet of food... but corn helped, especially when it was cold... the kind of cold Kansas gets pretty much every year....

Are you saying they sit in dry fields all night feeding? 😅😅😅

Not saying that’s never happened before but it’s definitely not the norm.

I don't think it's possible for me to care less about what another man wears or ammo he shoots. But I gotta admit if you tell me you need Sitka to hunt in TX and Boss shells to kill dux, talk from the perspective of your college degree(s) and not from your experience, Imma be a bit of a skeptic. Especially when it comes to how I manage my land that I'm putting so much time and effort into developing.

Clearly Barney know WTF he's doin and wasn't asking for any suggestions, but if he's listening... the she shed is a definite must!

Congrats Barney, looks like you got a good thing goin there!

y'all ninjaed this up so much, I'm not even sure where I was in the process.

back on topic..........The engineering firm finally got to the project, reviewed our design, overlaid the survey data on the aerial to verify elevations, and sent us the drawings. Once the drawings were finalized and all the drainage reports were done, the engineering firm filed the paperwork with the state at the first of this year. Now we, wait. The plans are sent to 7 different agencies for approval. I'm sure there will be some back and forth, but once the plans are approved we can move dirt. Hopefully by April or May to give us time to seed the levees to get enough growth to protect from erosion as well as a crop to make the ducks nocturnal we won't be able to hunt.

Final design:


Drawing overlaid with aerial. The firm didn't have the drone shot with trees removed:


Dike profile drawing:

Does anyone want to comment on the survey? Do we have any guys with minors in civil engineering that have found flaws in the plan?

Wow, that looks really complicated. I was gonna make a post to show how smart I am but KWood and Barney are out of my league. Plus no one listens to me any more.

think that might be more PhD level in hydrology. Over my head

Barney have you thought about stocking this wetland with baitfish? I've read some articles and the more varieties of fish you put in this water the better off you'll be. If your pond only has catfish the mallards will get wind of this pretty quick and avoid the area.

I never said only, I didn't even say they would go nocturnal. Reading comprehension is your friend. You also can't compare west coast mallards to Central and Mississippi mallards. A lot of different variables, including hunting pressure.

That they do. They might go get a drink during the night, but they're in the fields all night long. Now a strong cold front does change that a little.

this is why we reacted the way we have. You just dont get it. They have literally killed over 800 birds in three weeks with 99% being straight green heads. I cant tell you how many 6-10 man 8:30 am limits of straight drakes BWho has trolled his friends and this forum with over the past 10 years. Straight private wetlands, with friends and Family only, no guiding. Do the math on what it takes and hunts for 800 straight drakes in three weeks.

Just maybe…. take a step back and asks question on why they are so successful since its contrary to every thing you think you know. Actually dont this is more entertaining.

What state are you building this project in?

I think you are confused. I've extensively hunted the panhandle for 15 years now and have never seen that. I've seen them feed super early in the fields and head back to water before LST. Then feed after LST in the evening and back to water at night. Yes when it gets cold their feeding patterns change. Big cold fronts are typically accompanied with overcast/sometimes snow so they have reduced visibility (can't fly as well at dark), they need more food so they feed longer in the morning and evening. When it gets very cold they will just bounce water to food almost all day to keep their water open. Those are all reasons you see them fly better during daylight when it gets cold.

Definitely not confused lol.
We literally watch them go to field in the evening. Then when we're setting up in the morning, they go back to water right before shooting light. They just swap places with the geese.

Kwood do you think there’s a conspiracy against you everywhere you go with your knowledge or do you think maybe you come off a certain way to attract this kind of reaction

Can we get to the important stuff, like where is the hot tub going?

Haven’t decided, but all I know is the wire isn’t going to be cheap!!!

cheaper then a 12v cummins diesel motor for the pump

Kwoody almost made me want to put on my trolling cap, but its just not as fun as it use to be

Guy, I listen to you

I still wondering about the geese feeding at night in panhandle. They damn sure dont do it in Dec. At my place they are either in town on water treatment center or Feedlot back pits. Only aerated/semi open water for 50 miles. if they leave at night not sure it wouldn't freeze up.

With that said he probably has never hunted around my ranch and considers panhandle, Lubbock

careful, he has a degree, you might be over your head bobo

I never said geese, I said ducks.

how rude

Are you just driving into these fields at 5:30 in the morning and clouds of ducks are getting up in your headlights?

No mention of the effect of the moon phase on night feeding during all this tool measuring?

this reminds me of correcting a pre-teen

"hey don't write on the wall with that black pen"

"its not black, its a dark purple"

whatever it takes to be right, at all costs

You need to shoot a limit of mallards, out of a hot tub, with a 410. That would set a new world record!

Odd way to ask him if he pee’d in his waders this year.

I was actually not asking about him pee'n in his waders, but I think to your point we need to get the full story here... garrett might need to chime in here and take control.

Did some more work a couple of weekends ago. Finished burning the brush piles in the East Pool, cleaned up the ash piles in the West Pool, picked up a ton of sticks and debris where the farmer could work the ground, trimmed the tree line on the dividing levee to allow the contractor to get the toe of the levee as close to the tree line as possible, and meet with a contractor to get a quote on the dirt work. Contractor didn't seemed too surprised with any of the dirt work, but a little concerned with the pump site with the steepness of the bank. Guess we will see when his bid comes back. Starting to take shape.





Just 3 guys wasting time to make ducks nocturnal..........

View looking Northeast from the potential blind site in the East Pool:


View looking North:


Views looking Northwest:



Pano view:

Didn't take any pics from the blind site in the West Pool, but did take a pano view from the very NW corner of the wetland looking South:



already got issues with beavers. I'm sure this will be an ongoing battle once the wetland is finished:

Super cool.

Trapping? Sell pelts (or hides or furs or whatever it's called)? Lease to trappers? I think this place is out of state, yes? If so, I don't know the laws. Hell, I don't them for trapping in Texas for that matter, heh.

Nope, usually when walking back to the spread after getting set up you'll see them, the ducks, flying from the field we're in to water, or from different fields to water. You'll see clouds of them around the same time before legal shooting flying to water. Then about 20 minutes later, the geese get up. The ducks never leave water while we're hunting. Then right after sunset you'll see the ducks flying back to the fields. In the evening, it's not all at once, it's 500 here, 100, there, etc.

Like I said, it's crazy to see, I'm sure our playa lakes region has a lot to do with it too. About the only time we can field hunt ducks is if a really nasty cold front comes in, or it's snowing. Around the cold fronts it's usually new birds though.

GD you are clueless

I hope you didn't use diesel fuel only when burning those brush piles, the only way to get them to burn clean is to use a variety or a buffet if you will of different accelerants.

I'm starting to think it's master level trolling. Where's garrett for his input?

I have questions. Never considered embarking on a task like this, so excuse my ignorance and I certainly am not well versed on Kansas law/requirements.

Is there a tax advantage for building wetlands?

Sure seems like a crapton of government regulations and redtape to just go out and flood a field (intentionally oversimplified statement). I get the surveying for elevations and drainage and flow/hydrology, but why does the gubmint need to stick their nose in your bidness on what you do on YOUR land? Did you have to get all this cleared through the State of Kansas prior to moving dirt? I assume you are you flooding with a well and that is why? Or are you banking on rain water catch?

I think it stays off-radar in Texas if less than 200 acre feet are impounded?

Clearly after a 3-year hunt for the 'right' property, you've demonstrated patience, BUT will that push to 5-years of 'missed' hunting when this place is ready to drop the first bird?

This looks like a fun and worthy project. Keep the updates rolling.

that was smooth

The only one that can out troll Garrett. True OG

Kwoody is the real king troll, no way someone is really that dense, not even someone from Tarleton

These made me laugh out loud.

All we need now is the captain

beetle juice, beetle juice, beetle juice

Really, you want to explain?
You think birds are flying to the field at 530 in the morning, then going to water?
Look at delta, look at any data on radiomarked mallards or pintails. It shows that they feed at night in a lot of places, it's just extremely prolific in the northern panhandle.

You don't have to believe it, I don't care if you do, but it just shows your ignorance. We know what we see, but if you have another explanation, please let's hear it. I literally have our own observations, and science that supports what I'm seeing and saying.

Ok I’ll bite. Let’s see your science that backs your claim up that ducks are dry feeding at night all across the world.

I never said 5:30 in the morning. I promise you I’ve hunted way more than you ever will in the panhandle, still do. I have seen ducks 100’s of times come about about 20-30 minutes before LST, grab a quick bite to eat because they don’t need a ton when it’s 40 degrees as a low, and head back to water about 10 minutes later. That is what I think you’re seeing. Until you drive into a field at 5:30 in the morning and see them get up in your head lights I will never believe you. I’m not saying a duck has never sat in a dry field all night but it damn sure isn’t happening very often. The only way I could ever see it happening is under a full moon.

https://www.realtree.com/the-duck-blog/full-moon-fever-when-ducks-and-geese-go-nocturnal There are some on here that have seen shooting at midnight in Louisiana and Mexico under a full moon on feeding ducks. In the UK and Scotland they can legally do it. I hunt with 2 retired feds that chased duck hunters in Louisiana back in the day a lot at night. When we ran hunt tests in Louisiana, the old timers down there bragged about it and how not just anybody could shoot well at night. lolRealtree

this is kansas winters not louisiana or Mexico

you can shoot ducks feeding at night when its 10 degrees, sure but who is keeping the water open on the river? Location is everything. Ice eaters work in flooded corn. Regardless 10 years worth of history on a wetland that has many back to back to back hunts says a percentage of ducks that do feed at night dont matter

or the other way around, you are making a mountain out of a mole hill. historical reference taken over the past last 10 years via a property right down the road shows its doesnt matter to any degree if a percentage do or dont feed at night. In colder areas they are going back to roosting water to keep it open.

my ranch in panhandle in places is 5 miles from Kansas. In 40 plus year I nor my family have seen duck and/or geese in any quantity feed at night during the mid to late winter season. They stay on roost water to keep it open. just the nature of the freeze line. Location is every thing

Bottom line is when you get the project done, it is going to be great and you will kill ducks on it. But there were some saying the feeding at night wasn't happening. On full moon nights on a lease we used to have that had flooded soybeans, we did poorly at first light, but did well midday and early afternoon.

bottom line is this in Kansas and this is their third project in 10 years all with in 20 miles of each other. With 10 years worth of harvest history, maybe just maybe they know what they are doing.

I'm not going do the research for you, do your own. If I do the research you'll be just like a liberal crying that it's fake news. I promise you that you don't hunt where we do, or we'd run into each other.
What's funny is we know what we're seeing, and you're trying to tell me your opinion on what we SEE!
I do not care if you believe me, but if you want to remain ignorant and close minded, that's up to you.

Also, how have you seen ducks do this 100s of times, in the dark...
Are you a roost buster?

Hey bobo, you can get off of your knees now.

lets talk in person,

Ohio is north of Kansas, or is Kansas unique? "Winous Point Marsh Conservancy research biologist Brendan Shirkey conducted a similar study in northwest Ohio. The ducks in his study moved even less, an average of just 500 to 1,000 yards. That didn’t change throughout hunting season. The study area had a large amount of flooded corn impoundments constructed almost entirely for hunting purposes. Ducks flocked to that corn, but mostly at night. https://www.wildfowlmag.com/editorial/are-mallard-ducks-becoming-nocturnal/374937

I have no reason to want to meet you. By all definition, you're a bully, anti- everything I say, no matter how much science and data I have on my side. So thanks, but no thanks.

yes if it’s got less wetlands, less pressure and less open water. Again 10 years worth of harvest history tells a different tale, even if they feeding in corn at night(frozen, open or dry land) the percentage isnt and hasnt been high enough to effect the outcome.

That's good info, but they won't believe it, they'll find a way to explain it away.
Thanks for the link though.

figured

No, Im not anti every thing, i'm only anti-absolutes. You speak in absolutes as a blank statement, you had no history in the area he is building, nor did you even ask. Same thing you have always done. First thing you did was tell him he was doing it wrong. Thats always been your MO, from ranching/farming to Wetlands.

I have science on my side


What science


Screw you man find it yourself!!!!

I never said he was doing it wrong, lol.
I said you might want to consider adding something more than corn, and I gave the reason why, with science to back it up. And I've said multiple times, if corn works for him, that's great, but don't be surprised if the birds go nocturnal. It's not that hard to comprehend.

And right on cue, you reasoned around the science.

And you figured what, I don't want to fight like you're implying? Why would I do that, I am not a 12 year old boy, or a drunk in a bar room. If you weren't a jerk, I'd love to meet and hang out, but you're always rude, so I'll pass.

I didn't know i needed to give references.
People will also be more liable to believe what they find versus someone doing the work for themselves as well. I'm too busy building a lake right now anyways to go find resources that anyone can find with a quick Google search.

Yet you have plenty of time to come chit all over this thread?

lol, you running your mouth pushing to illicit a response and now act as if you are bullied. You wouldn't of said that in person,

I didnt reason around the science. Your science is a perception based on many factors, with very few that are relevant to his location. Even hailheah link isnt valid for area. That science link is based around WMA’s and large amounts of flooded corn and large wetlands. This area will have just 3 flooded fields in very large dry land farming area. Its not traditional wetland area nor does it have same surrounding pressure. It is a very good fly way though. Like I said you are arguing against their historical records of over a decade of success. What more proof do you need? Are they lying.

Yes great info that proves my point even more that ducks don’t roost on dry land 😂😂😂.

silver labs are better than any other color, its science, prove me wrong