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Re: why no bullets [Re: tenyearsgone] #8784634 01/20/23 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by tenyearsgone
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I’m a hoarder. No problems.


You’re just the problem.


So you are blaming him because you don't keep an inventory of bullets? Because you expect manufacturers to be reliable enough to keep you in bullets when you buy just a box at a time? He is not the problem.

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Originally Posted by rickt300
Originally Posted by tenyearsgone
Originally Posted by Dave Davidson
I’m a hoarder. No problems.


You’re just the problem.


So you are blaming him because you don't keep an inventory of bullets? Because you expect manufacturers to be reliable enough to keep you in bullets when you buy just a box at a time? He is not the problem.


After Obama years, if you didn’t stock up during Trump’s early years, it’s your own fault. Shelves were full and prices were cheap.




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Originally Posted by scottfromdallas
After Obama years, if you didn’t stock up during Trump’s early years, it’s your own fault. Shelves were full and prices were cheap.


100% correct.

2019 was a great year!


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Re: why no bullets [Re: allenintexas] #8784832 01/21/23 01:48 AM
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I am glad we have a new bullet Manufactuing company , here in NE Texas. Some don't like mono's but they sure beat not having any. Saw a video a week or so back LEHIGH is producing nearly 400,000 per week.





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I’m ok for the guns I have had, but sucks not being able to get stuff for new guns. Nosler can kiss my azz.


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Originally Posted by J.G.
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After Obama years, if you didn’t stock up during Trump’s early years, it’s your own fault. Shelves were full and prices were cheap.


100% correct.

2019 was a great year!


I stocked up on lots of stuff after the Clinton induced shortage. Of course the bullets are old school compared to todays but still shoot. Kept a lot of those in reserve.


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Re: why no bullets [Re: allenintexas] #8784954 01/21/23 10:42 AM
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I stocked up between 2012 and 2018.

I too am part of the problem I guess.


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Re: why no bullets [Re: tenyearsgone] #8785129 01/21/23 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by tenyearsgone
Originally Posted by Dave Davidson
I’m a hoarder. No problems.

You’re just the problem.

I'm also one of the problematic prepared people. And I'm trying to further prepare thus making myself more problematic.


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Re: why no bullets [Re: allenintexas] #8785230 01/21/23 08:26 PM
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I think there’s an ant and grasshopper message in here somewhere.


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Re: why no bullets [Re: syncerus] #8785302 01/21/23 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by syncerus
I think there’s an ant and grasshopper message in here somewhere.


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Re: why no bullets [Re: rickt300] #8785653 01/22/23 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by rickt300
Originally Posted by tenyearsgone
Originally Posted by Dave Davidson
I’m a hoarder. No problems.


You’re just the problem.


So you are blaming him because you don't keep an inventory of bullets? Because you expect manufacturers to be reliable enough to keep you in bullets when you buy just a box at a time? He is not the problem.


I have a good stock of components, but I don't hoard them. The current state of lack of reloading component availability is directly due to people like him who hoard or purchase just to resell. If people would buy only what they needed, things wouldn't be the way they are. In short, reloaders are their own worst enemy. Additionally, it's normal to expect manufacturers to be reliable, but they can't if others have adopted a "eff you, I got mine" mindset. Powders like H4350 are still a little difficult to find, but I'm not going to keep purchasing it every time I see it because according to my calculations, I have enough to last for 2-3 barrels of my 6.5 CM rifle. I leave it on the shelf for others.

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Most reloaders that keep components on hand buy in times of plenty. They have been through times of short supply in the past. They buy in bulk to get the best price. They are not buying much right now. They are not paying today’s inflated prices for short supply items. They are not panic buying. They are not scalping. They are not supporting the scalpers. They are not part of the problem.

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Originally Posted by Smokey Bear
Most reloaders that keep components on hand buy in times of plenty. They have been through times of short supply in the past. They buy in bulk to get the best price. They are not buying much right now. They are not paying today’s inflated prices for short supply items. They are not panic buying. They are not scalping. They are not supporting the scalpers. They are not part of the problem.

I don't get how people don't understand this.

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Originally Posted by unclebubba
Originally Posted by Smokey Bear
Most reloaders that keep components on hand buy in times of plenty. They have been through times of short supply in the past. They buy in bulk to get the best price. They are not buying much right now. They are not paying today’s inflated prices for short supply items. They are not panic buying. They are not scalping. They are not supporting the scalpers. They are not part of the problem.

I don't get how people don't understand this.


Well said Smokey


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Originally Posted by kmon11
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Originally Posted by Smokey Bear
Most reloaders that keep components on hand buy in times of plenty. They have been through times of short supply in the past. They buy in bulk to get the best price. They are not buying much right now. They are not paying today’s inflated prices for short supply items. They are not panic buying. They are not scalping. They are not supporting the scalpers. They are not part of the problem.

I don't get how people don't understand this.


Well said Smokey

The only thing I disagree with is somebody is buying it up. When you see a brick of primers hit the shelf, five minutes later they’re gone, even at $100 a brick. When a pound of $50 Varget gets close to the shelf it’s gone. I feel like that is the problem. Manufacturers have found it doesn’t matter what they price it at there’s going to be somebody buying it. Leave it on the shelves for a while and maybe the prices will go down.

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Originally Posted by Smokey Bear
Most reloaders that keep components on hand buy in times of plenty. They have been through times of short supply in the past. They buy in bulk to get the best price. They are not buying much right now. They are not paying today’s inflated prices for short supply items. They are not panic buying. They are not scalping. They are not supporting the scalpers. They are not part of the problem.


This is true. People that buy up mass quantities to resell are generally not even re-loaders. Look at the STUPID high prices on ammo for sale in two ads that have been relisted on this site at least a half dozen times over the last THREE YEARS.

Originally Posted by jlsbassman
The only thing I disagree with is somebody is buying it up. When you see a brick of primers hit the shelf, five minutes later they’re gone, even at $100 a brick. When a pound of $50 Varget gets close to the shelf it’s gone. I feel like that is the problem. Manufacturers have found it doesn’t matter what they price it at there’s going to be somebody buying it. Leave it on the shelves for a while and maybe the prices will go down.


You could then say the manufacturer is getting more from their product by creating its own shortage. Supply chain issues are not the fault of the end customer.


Pass the gravy.


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Originally Posted by GasGuzzler
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Most reloaders that keep components on hand buy in times of plenty. They have been through times of short supply in the past. They buy in bulk to get the best price. They are not buying much right now. They are not paying today’s inflated prices for short supply items. They are not panic buying. They are not scalping. They are not supporting the scalpers. They are not part of the problem.


This is true. People that buy up mass quantities to resell are generally not even re-loaders. Look at the STUPID high prices on ammo for sale in two ads that have been relisted on this site at least a half dozen times over the last THREE YEARS.

Originally Posted by jlsbassman
The only thing I disagree with is somebody is buying it up. When you see a brick of primers hit the shelf, five minutes later they’re gone, even at $100 a brick. When a pound of $50 Varget gets close to the shelf it’s gone. I feel like that is the problem. Manufacturers have found it doesn’t matter what they price it at there’s going to be somebody buying it. Leave it on the shelves for a while and maybe the prices will go down.


You could then say the manufacturer is getting more from their product by creating its own shortage. Supply chain issues are not the fault of the end customer.


Racial tension akin to the 1960’s, distrust and lack of support for law enforcement, combined with media and political attacks on the second amendment by the current administration manifested in millions of new gun owners. Market has out paced supply. Hornady appears to be seizing the lions share of the expanding market.


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Originally Posted by Smokey Bear
Racial tension akin to the 1960’s, distrust and lack of support for law enforcement, combined with media and political attacks on the second amendment by the current administration manifested in millions of new gun owners. Market has out paced supply. Hornady appears to be seizing the lions share of the expanding market.


Hornady 100% has placed themselves in the most favorable possible position...They already had a foot up on the competition with new plant they opened up a few years pre-pandemic ... then the crazy happened and they dropped a bunch of money and added another 20% of space to ramp up production (like an extra 30,000 SQFT). They took a gamble and spent the money and it's paying off by raining money down on them as they seize massive amounts of the market.

Mind you, it could have went the other way for them; if it ended up being a short term supply/demand issue and not a more complicated long term issue, they could have lost their a$$e$. Other manufacturers decided to sit and wait to see what happens and ended up doing nothing but watching their market share get smaller and realizing there was nothing they could do about it because ramping up takes time and money....too little, too late. I'm sure most of them are kicking themselves in the a$$ or pretending they did the right thing so that they don't wake up feeling like idiots every single day. For the time being though - they're all making good money.... but it's got to feel like a kick in the balls to realize how much more you could be making if you just showed some balls at the start of all this and took the expansion risk.

I have no doubt we will 100% continue to see the rise of Hornady as the preeminent bullet manufacturer (not that they were small before this lol) and everyone else will fight for the scraps.

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Some of the newly planned factories are not just Capitalism, it's the import bans. Never been a Hornady fan boy (nothing wrong with them but as a caster and reloader I never really needed them) but if they are filling the gaps, more power to them. Like I said, the only aftermarket bullets I really ever need are for 5.56X45 and I got grosses of Hornady copies when they were less than $0.10 each. The .30-30 "hunting" bullet that is the best is made by Sierra and has been nearly impossible to find for at least five years, way before the "shortage". My Ranch Dog cast .30-30 bullet is likely just as good anyway and I stocked up on the Sierra almost ten years ago.


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Originally Posted by GasGuzzler
Originally Posted by Smokey Bear
Most reloaders that keep components on hand buy in times of plenty. They have been through times of short supply in the past. They buy in bulk to get the best price. They are not buying much right now. They are not paying today’s inflated prices for short supply items. They are not panic buying. They are not scalping. They are not supporting the scalpers. They are not part of the problem.


This is true. People that buy up mass quantities to resell are generally not even re-loaders. Look at the STUPID high prices on ammo for sale in two ads that have been relisted on this site at least a half dozen times over the last THREE YEARS.

Originally Posted by jlsbassman
The only thing I disagree with is somebody is buying it up. When you see a brick of primers hit the shelf, five minutes later they’re gone, even at $100 a brick. When a pound of $50 Varget gets close to the shelf it’s gone. I feel like that is the problem. Manufacturers have found it doesn’t matter what they price it at there’s going to be somebody buying it. Leave it on the shelves for a while and maybe the prices will go down.


You could then say the manufacturer is getting more from their product by creating its own shortage. Supply chain issues are not the fault of the end customer.


I think the hoarders buying up all the powders to sell at insane prices tend to be loaders themselves because with so many powders out there, you have to have a working knowledge of the segment to know which powders are the top. There’s what, 4 variations of 4350? I’ve seen plenty of loaders on Discord buying powder they load and selling excess.

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You know I have 2lbs of IMR4350 and 2lbs of H4350 that just sit on the shelve because I always find something I like better rather than use it. What are y’all using it in?


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You know I have 2lbs of IMR4350 and 2lbs of H4350 that just sit on the shelve because I always find something I like better rather than use it. What are y’all using it in?

Every time I’ve used either of those in a 308 or 30-06 based cartridge I haven’t been disappointed.


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Redchevy I don’t load either of those so I guess that is why I haven’t used it.


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You know I have 2lbs of IMR4350 and 2lbs of H4350 that just sit on the shelve because I always find something I like better rather than use it. What are y’all using it in?


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