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Re: ATF ruling on SBRs [Re: TexFlip] #8759037 12/16/22 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by TexFlip
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So who wants to draft a letter for our TX reps asking them and Abott can make a TX law protecting us from this federal overreach?


Might want to brush up on your civics lessons.

Which part?


Where state laws cannot overrule federal.

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Originally Posted by SherpaPhil
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So who wants to draft a letter for our TX reps asking them and Abott can make a TX law protecting us from this federal overreach?


Might want to brush up on your civics lessons.

Which part?


Where state laws cannot overrule federal.


Seems to be ok for pot so what’s the big deal? If sanctuary cities are acceptable for illegal immigration why not for the second amendment?

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Re: ATF ruling on SBRs [Re: SherpaPhil] #8759100 12/16/22 01:27 AM
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Originally Posted by SherpaPhil
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So who wants to draft a letter for our TX reps asking them and Abott can make a TX law protecting us from this federal overreach?


Might want to brush up on your civics lessons.

Which part?


Where state laws cannot overrule federal.

Sure they can, Supreme Court would have to decide though.


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Re: ATF ruling on SBRs [Re: DustyArmadillo] #8759128 12/16/22 01:51 AM
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Not really open to interpretation... Article VI, Paragraph 2 of the US Constitution states that federal law controls in cases of conflict. It's not a grey area.

Pot is still illegal federally, regardless of what states do. If they were so inclined, the DEA could bust everyone in Colorado and there is absolutely nothing the state could do about it.

Texas could pass whatever they want as far as SBRs and the feds would completely ignore it. That's why you still can't buy a Texas made suppressor without a tax stamp.

Re: ATF ruling on SBRs [Re: KRoyal] #8759192 12/16/22 02:54 AM
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Originally Posted by KRoyal
Missed the window I believe. I don’t really know for sure they’ve change it so many times and I’ve watched so many videos with conflicting information my brain is fried lol. I think the window was October and November.


I think I read in the ATF documentation that they did not move forward with this because braces are not serialized and there wasnt a way to verify if someone had actually bought a brace, so ppl could essentially claim they bought 10 and get 10 SBRs tax free.

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Originally Posted by SherpaPhil
Not really open to interpretation... Article VI, Paragraph 2 of the US Constitution states that federal law controls in cases of conflict. It's not a grey area.

Pot is still illegal federally, regardless of what states do. If they were so inclined, the DEA could bust everyone in Colorado and there is absolutely nothing the state could do about it.

Texas could pass whatever they want as far as SBRs and the feds would completely ignore it. That's why you still can't buy a Texas made suppressor without a tax stamp.


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Re: ATF ruling on SBRs [Re: jeepercreeper] #8759208 12/16/22 03:05 AM
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Missed the window I believe. I don’t really know for sure they’ve change it so many times and I’ve watched so many videos with conflicting information my brain is fried lol. I think the window was October and November.


I think I read in the ATF documentation that they did not move forward with this because braces are not serialized and there wasnt a way to verify if someone had actually bought a brace, so ppl could essentially claim they bought 10 and get 10 SBRs tax free.

Smart of them because I was going to SBR every lower I own and could get my hands on quickly regardless if they had 16”+ barrel on it or not.


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Re: ATF ruling on SBRs [Re: KRoyal] #8759258 12/16/22 03:51 AM
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Originally Posted by KRoyal
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Missed the window I believe. I don’t really know for sure they’ve change it so many times and I’ve watched so many videos with conflicting information my brain is fried lol. I think the window was October and November.


I think I read in the ATF documentation that they did not move forward with this because braces are not serialized and there wasnt a way to verify if someone had actually bought a brace, so ppl could essentially claim they bought 10 and get 10 SBRs tax free.

Smart of them because I was going to SBR every lower I own and could get my hands on quickly regardless if they had 16”+ barrel on it or not.


That was my plan too. Yes Mr ATF Agent,I bought these 5 AK pistols, 5 AR pistols, 5 PCC pistols all with braces so here’s all 15 Form 1s and excited about saving $3000.

Re: ATF ruling on SBRs [Re: SherpaPhil] #8759275 12/16/22 04:09 AM
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Originally Posted by SherpaPhil
Not really open to interpretation... Article VI, Paragraph 2 of the US Constitution states that federal law controls in cases of conflict. It's not a grey area.

Pot is still illegal federally, regardless of what states do. If they were so inclined, the DEA could bust everyone in Colorado and there is absolutely nothing the state could do about it.

Texas could pass whatever they want as far as SBRs and the feds would completely ignore it. That's why you still can't buy a Texas made suppressor without a tax stamp.

Everything is open to interpretation.


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Just to make sure that it is done thoroughly, I go both ways.

Re: ATF ruling on SBRs [Re: TexFlip] #8759310 12/16/22 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by TexFlip
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Not really open to interpretation... Article VI, Paragraph 2 of the US Constitution states that federal law controls in cases of conflict. It's not a grey area.

Pot is still illegal federally, regardless of what states do. If they were so inclined, the DEA could bust everyone in Colorado and there is absolutely nothing the state could do about it.

Texas could pass whatever they want as far as SBRs and the feds would completely ignore it. That's why you still can't buy a Texas made suppressor without a tax stamp.

Everything is open to interpretation.


Good point. Girls can be boys. Boys can have babies. It's all open to interpretation.

Re: ATF ruling on SBRs [Re: SherpaPhil] #8759324 12/16/22 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by SherpaPhil
Originally Posted by TexFlip
Originally Posted by SherpaPhil
Not really open to interpretation... Article VI, Paragraph 2 of the US Constitution states that federal law controls in cases of conflict. It's not a grey area.

Pot is still illegal federally, regardless of what states do. If they were so inclined, the DEA could bust everyone in Colorado and there is absolutely nothing the state could do about it.

Texas could pass whatever they want as far as SBRs and the feds would completely ignore it. That's why you still can't buy a Texas made suppressor without a tax stamp.

Everything is open to interpretation.


Good point. Girls can be boys. Boys can have babies. It's all open to interpretation.


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Re: ATF ruling on SBRs [Re: SherpaPhil] #8759664 12/16/22 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by SherpaPhil
Not really open to interpretation... Article VI, Paragraph 2 of the US Constitution states that federal law controls in cases of conflict. It's not a grey area.

Pot is still illegal federally, regardless of what states do. If they were so inclined, the DEA could bust everyone in Colorado and there is absolutely nothing the state could do about it.

Texas could pass whatever they want as far as SBRs and the feds would completely ignore it. That's why you still can't buy a Texas made suppressor without a tax stamp.


Sure the feds could/would ignore it but wouldn't it be nice for Texas to tell all city/county/state LEOs to ignore the ATF's rule change? Part of the reason states' decisions to ignore federal marijuana laws has been successful is that once the state gave it their rubber stamp of approval, the masses threw their support behind it. Laws are great and all, but when they don't have the support of the masses (nor the support of the state gov), they're fairly difficult to enforce.

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Re: ATF ruling on SBRs [Re: unclebubba] #8760696 12/18/22 01:50 AM
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Re: ATF ruling on SBRs [Re: DustyArmadillo] #8780322 01/14/23 05:26 AM
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Guess ATF went ahead with the illegal move



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Re: ATF ruling on SBRs [Re: KRoyal] #8780332 01/14/23 06:36 AM
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So if they make everyone register does that mean they will have to throw down $200 for a tax stamp?

Absolutely, you think they gonna miss out on their mullah.

Been warning people about this for a month or two.


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Get a hold of your House of Representatives member, it appears the rule could be blocked by the House.

https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amend...unity-to-stop-atf-stabilizer-brace-rule/

Re: ATF ruling on SBRs [Re: DustyArmadillo] #8784066 01/20/23 12:46 AM
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Re: ATF ruling on SBRs [Re: DustyArmadillo] #8784142 01/20/23 02:17 AM
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Has the rule actually been added yet?


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Re: ATF ruling on SBRs [Re: DustyArmadillo] #8784697 01/20/23 09:39 PM
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Re: ATF ruling on SBRs [Re: DustyArmadillo] #8787261 01/24/23 07:00 PM
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Any update on rule being added to register

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My opinion, ATF is doing this because DOJ needs money. Quickest way is to force people to pay $200.


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Originally Posted by DeRico
My opinion, ATF is doing this because DOJ needs money. Quickest way is to force people to pay $200.


Would love for you to explain the tax forbearance for 40 million items in circulation that ATF is now calling SBRs. Seems like not many folks are going to go this route once the forbearance is done, so no money in it except through fines from prosecution (good luck getting any quantifiable number of those)

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My opinion, ATF is doing this because DOJ needs money. Quickest way is to force people to pay $200.


Would love for you to explain the tax forbearance for 40 million items in circulation that ATF is now calling SBRs. Seems like not many folks are going to go this route once the forbearance is done, so no money in it except through fines from prosecution (good luck getting any quantifiable number of those)


Don’t have to explain much on that, after 120 days it’ll be payup time.


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